[新聞] Preliminary ESF reaction in fomos arti

[allqwdd (乳乳)]

A Fomos article has what appears to be a preliminary statement from eSF chair
Mr. Won (also Startale head coach). It seems unlikely that this is all the
eSF has to say, and more will probably follow. But for now, here are the
statements from the Fomos article

協面方會也有話想要說

"We have things to say as well... ...we admit to a degree that there was
friction with SlayerS, but it's not something over a couple of days, so if
one side comes out emotionally, the problem can't help but expand. It's
unfortunate that this situation occurred."

"If we really wanted to ostracize SlayerS, we could have excluded them very
thoroughly, but that's not the case at all. Instead, we did a lot together,
and worked to treat them the same as other teams even though they were not
part of the federation... ...there was a time where [players were] ordered
not to practice [with SlayerS players], but it was only for a short period.
There is no ban now. At the time, SlayerS kept acting selfishly, so the teams
had no choice but to cooperate and penalize them."

"嗯我們也想出來澄清一些事情...."
"我們承認之前真的跟Slayers有些可愛的小摩擦，但那只持續幾天而已"
"只要有一方開始情緒化的話這事情就會鬧得更大，很遺憾他真的發生了。"

協會會長，同時也是ST教練的Won表示

"如果我們真的想要抵制Slayers，我們根本可以直接讓他們被排除在外。"
"但我們根本不想這麼做。"
"實際上我們一起努力了很多，即使他們不是協會的成員之一我們還是像對其他
 的隊伍一樣對他們。"
"對，之前真的有一段時間是禁止選手跟它們練習的。但只有短短一下子的時間而已"
"現在早已經沒有任何的限制。"
"但那之後Slayers繼續表現的很自私，所以其他隊也決定要聯合起來對它們有所懲罰。"


以上是協會的會長同時也是ST教練的Won的發言

接下來讓我們看看包嫂的發言

It was temporary?

The NASL Season 3 Finals were in July. [Note: She may mean Season 1 or Season
2, given the other dates in the post]

The penalty on our team started after the preliminaries [Note: she may mean
regular season] were over, so it must have began at latest by June?
Maybe even before then, but I forget the exact date when the preliminaries
ended.

NASL第三季的決賽是在七月，(他應該是說season 1 or season 2)而抵制我們的行為
是在NASL的季賽之前就發生了，所以至少是在六月就開始了。

I knew that it was refusal to practice, but I didn't think it would be so
severe.
I decided that I couldn't just let it be, and went to talk to coach Won about
the serious ostracizing problem in December of last year (we moved the team
house on Dec 28th, and I met him in Yeo-ui-Do where our team house was then).
There, I first informed him of our team's stance.
You told me without shame, that it's cheap of you to do so, but you would
resort to it to sanction SlayerS.
I couldn't get you to remove the ban, and I continued to appeal it after we
moved our team house.

我之前就知道你們有要這麼做，但我不知道會這麼嚴重。
後來我決定不能坐以待斃，所以去年12月的時候我去找Coach Won談抵制Slayers的事。
你很機車的跟我說你要抵制我們太容易了，但你會考慮讓我們加入協會。
我沒辦法讓你停止抵銷，一直到我們戰隊搬家後我也一直在嘗試。

In February, Ryung needed to prepare for a TvT, but I heard that he couldn't
find any Terrans. (At the time, Genius had practiced with MMA for the
semi-finals, but when Ryung asked MVP players for practice in TvT, he
couldn't get help).
Our team's Terrans had a lot of different things on the schedule, so I told
him to practice with his friends on other teams, but I learned that we were
still being ostracized and banned from practice.

I gave final notice to Mr. Won who as at tournament in the USA at that time,
and I finally received an email on March 7th that it had been lifted.

二月的時候，Ryung需要準備TVT的比賽，但我聽說他找不到任何一個T玩家。(那時
Genius有幫MMA準備半決賽，但Ryung問MVP戰隊的T選手有沒有人要幫他練習卻一個
都沒有。)

剛好我們隊上的T都很忙，每個人的schedule都很滿，所以我叫他去找別的戰隊
的朋友練習，但最後我發現我們還是被抵制中!

我去跟Coach Won下了最後通牒，那時他人在美國的比賽。
他終於寄了email給我跟我說3/7抵制會解除。

Temporary? That's at least 10 months by rudimentary calculation.


這叫做很短的時間?? 這樣算下來至少有十個月!!

Do you want me to reveal the truth?
Head Coach Won.
I told you clearly, it was something that a Startale player told one of our
players very recently.
For whatever reason, acting like a bully can't be forgiven.

你希望我揭發真相嗎? 親愛的COach Won，我說了，這是某個ST的隊員最近才跟我
說的。 不管怎樣，你這種吃像真的讓人非常不爽。

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041

這篇沒OP吧?

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推 finaltrial:包嫂根本豁出去了吧 XD
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推 Dalembert:Slayers是做了甚麼讓其他隊伍想抵制啊? 有人知道嗎?
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推 Esca:"某個ST的成員跟我說的" 該不會又是ACE XD
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→ finaltrial:http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-955704-1-1.html
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