作者timchen (Happy Days~)
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標題[討論]一個UW教授對中國CS領域的看法
時間Sun Jan 1 04:08:20 2012
JAMES LANDAY 在 MSRA 待了兩年半後，對中國環境及教育的一些看法
http://dubfuture.blogspot.com/2011/12/china-will-overtake-us-in.html
裡面最讓我震驚的是下面這段
One of the major differences I’ve noted between Chinese universities
(and in fact Chinese organizations in general) and American universities
is the power structure exposed in the academic hierarchy.
American universities are hierarchical in that Full Professors make decisions
about Associate and Assistant Professors, and Associate Professors in turn
also make decisions (e.g., tenure) about Assistant Professors. But, I’ve also
noticed that in the top departments I’ve been in that the more “senior”
faculty understand that a lot of the innovation and best work occurs in the
groups led by the “young” Assistant Professors and we in fact “protect”
them so as to allow them to better develop and get this great work accomplished
(e.g., we do not give them a lot of tedious committee work to do and we
encourage them to teach advanced courses in their specialized areas rather than
large, general undergraduate courses).
(在台灣，似乎是完全相反，雜事永遠都是新進教授在做…而經費/學生資源也都掌握在一
些資深的教授手上…真是令人難過…)
當然，我不覺得人類有這麼善良，不過在我對這段話提出疑問後，我的 mentor 和他的朋
友們 (美國大學的 CS 教授們) 倒是都不約而同的提到他們對新進教授們都很保護。也提
到在美國的研究型大學都是如此。
不知道大家遇到/聽到的狀況是否也都是如此呢？
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→ lomaka:有啊... 但是已經十年以上沒拿過國科會計畫、沒有SCI論文的 01/01 12:34
→ lomaka:資深教授指導完，你覺得有什麼幫助? 01/01 12:35
→ lomaka:指導完,就是你寫一個計畫給他批改,然後他當主持人你當共同 01/01 12:36
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→ firekylin:It's true, at least, in my university. 01/02 10:24
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