Re: [閒聊] 今天桃園小插曲

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※ 引述《PriorityPass (PP卡)》之銘言：
:   http://www.airplanefactory.co.za/sling4atw_news.asp

 他們知道有關CI919 的事情

 節錄他們在網站上回答當時的狀況:

 OK, so that’s the rules. What a pity I have, in the same post, to write
about the China 919 question! Actually, Jean and I only found out about the
fiasco when my brother Andrew directed us to our own Facebook page late last
night! After we landed ATC ground instructed us to taxi by taxiway “November
Charlie to the end”. We were already on a taxiway, the name of which I don’
t recall. I was on the radio, Jean driving. We came to a multi-directional
crossing about 40 meters off the active runway and I asked which way we
should go. As it turned out November Charlie was marked with two boards, but
it did an acute angle there, one sharp right, back towards the active runway
at a gentle angle, the other gentle right, curving to parallel with the
runway. The ATC said “turn right onto November Charlie”. Jean assumed he
meant hard right, so commenced turning. ATC quickly chipped in “No, no”, so
Jean continued the turn, on a tickie, doing a 360, and then headed off at the
gentle right angle.

Even if we’d gone down the sharp right 'on-ramp’ to the runway, it was a
good 50 metres to the active runway junction and the “stop line” was a good
30 meters from where we were. Anyhow, being on the ground frequency, we didn’
t even realise that there’d been any consequence, since the China 919 flight
was obviously on the tower frequency already. Hence we discovered that there’
d been problems only when this popped up on our Facebook page after we got to
the hotel (we’d even spent three quarters of an hour on the far apron
refueling and it wasn’t brought to our attention!). What must have happened
is that the China Airlines flight was already rolling and saw us doing a turn
back towards the runway. Although there was a good 50 meters for us to run to
get to the active runway on that taxiway, it was at an acute angle, which
perhaps he couldn’t see, so perpendicularly we were probably only 20 meters
off the runway. Anyhow, he probably just thought “What the hell are these
lunatics in this little mosquito doing? I’m not going to take any chances, I
’m hitting the brakes.” I assume that he must have hit them pretty hard and
somehow burst a tyre. Hhhmmm, what a pity – it kind of bursts my bubble a
bit – I thought we’d been doing so well. Anyhow, life has a habit of
bumping you down a couple of rungs just when you think you’re up!

 不知有誰解釋一下~ XD


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推 cchermit:自我感覺良好
推 cgy:跑道出口都會有編號，他裡面好像是搞不清楚編號，用出口角度
→ cgy:判斷，昨天因為有一斷時間恍神，沒注意聽，回過神來，塔台已經
→ cgy:叫919不要起飛XD 顯然這兩名老兄回到旅館才知道闖禍
推 isaacc:自我感覺很良好啊? 為什麼有關單位不是馬上去調查?離譜!
→ isaacc:她們還不知道是塔台呼叫CI停止起飛的吧?還以為教官看到蚊子
→ isaacc:看到最後那段...華航正式求償一下讓她們知道人生甘苦吧~
→ isaacc:讓我們台灣人對她們說【Hhhmmm, what a pity】吧~
→ cgy:調查了啊...下禮拜會民航局開會調查，有人說能不能留人機下來
→ cgy:調查，我們應該只能調查過後，若該飛行員有疏失只能去函南非
→ cgy:民航局，有沒有處罰看對方民航局，基本上是不太能留置對方人機
→ cgy:，所有的對話記錄已經都有保存，至於華航求償，那就去打民事官
→ cgy:司吧。 外
→ cgy:不過並沒有如記者講 只差500m，919剛要toga就被取消飛行許可
推 mykorianda:太扯了..... 這種事情可以還讓他們先回去旅館的嗎?
→ mykorianda:真有那麼狀況外  跟自己沒甚麼關係的人...
→ cgy:這不是犯罪，這跟大家在道路上超速 闖紅燈 一樣，只要蒐證完
→ cgy:後，回去就等通知，沒有什麼大不了問題，要賠償去打民事官司
→ cgy:，不用說麼萬一，萬一有萬一的處理方法。
推 redomega:沒再超過holdshort line的話，也不能算RWY incursion
推 redomega:頂多說他誤解ATC，在滑行道上亂滑......要怎麼求償??
→ KCETinTW:全都把錯推到小飛機上,ATC完全沒錯???
推 aschaos:ATC!? 飛行員有應先知道機場動線的責任 不然應停止並詢問
→ aschaos:難道ATC要等小飛機真的往跑道移動才能取消華航許可?
→ cgy:現在都下定論太早，大家都是聽新聞 記者拼湊，耐心等候調查報
→ cgy:告吧。
→ Danjor:會在滑行道上轉360度就超扯了...ATC是避免該機又傻傻的闖
→ Danjor:進去  才會要華航放棄起飛  除非華航機上有乘客受傷
→ Danjor:不然航機沒受損  還真沒啥可以告..只能跟註冊國申訴開罰
推 f1234564290:china919是國航吧......人家callshgn明明是dynasty
→ f1234564290:                             callsign
推 f1234564290:其實如果照他這裡說的 那其實也不是什麼很嚴重的事啦
→ f1234564290:離停止線都還有30m tower用高安全標準要求ci abort
→ f1234564290:只是剛好遇到妓者喜歡把是說得很嚴重...擾亂視聽
→ f1234564290:至於調查了話 要把人機留下來也要看國際法的規定
→ f1234564290:請國際公法強者補充
→ sinohara:不過最後有提到　他們看樣子暫時沒辦法離開台灣了
推 f1234564290:有個疑問 小飛機生場了話也可以請求FOLLOW ME吧?
→ f1234564290:請求的話要另外付錢嗎?
→ cgy:follow me 要額外付錢
→ cgy:留下來應該是經過民航局調查，調查完之後也就放人
→ Lawaly:轉360度是不是等於沒轉的意思
推 tonyni:原文是說轉了 360 以後再往微右那個彎前進
推 soonga:在大機場裡滑行的小飛機視野很差，看錯滑行道很正常！