[新聞] 阿酋航空想在A380上擺3-5-3

[ATR72 (文人相輕自古皆然)]

繼EK在777成功地將3-4-3發揚光大之後，

客艙其實很寬的A380，

已經成為EK覬覦的對象，

究竟慘絕人寰的3-5-3會不會成真呢?


Emirates eyes 11-across seating on A380


Published: 06/11/2013 - Filed under: News


When I visited the Airbus factory in Toulouse over ten years ago, executives
claimed that A380 operators would never go 11-across in the economy cabin.

At the time that statement seemed plausible. It was before the first
superjumbo had even been built and, besides, economy cabins were still
relatively spacious.

But nothing is set in stone in the airline business. Now it appears that the
Emirates, the airline which introduced passengers to the unpopular 10-across
layout on the B777, is actively investigating installing 11-across seating on
its A380 fleet.

Quoted recently in the Wall Street Journal, Emirates CEO Tim Clark said,
"We've tried it [11-across A380 seating]. It works."

Now Bloomberg has today reported that aircraft leasing firm Doric plans to
order 20 A380s by the end of the year. These A380s will then be offered to
customer airlines with 11-across economy seating. Although, for obvious
reasons, Doric CEO Marc Lapidus, according to Bloomberg, declined to name his
prospective customers.

These particular A380s will be configured with as many as 630 seats, which
means that this high-density version could carry up to 200 or more passengers
more than the existing model.

But why the denser seating? Because Airbus is currently facing a tough time
with its A380s. No firm orders have been received this year while some
existing customers are deferring orders.

Although the A380 is a very economical plane, its operating efficiency is
coming under pressure from planes manufactured by rival Boeing.

All airlines seek to operate the most efficient aircraft. User airlines of
Boeing's B777-300ER have found they can squeeze in more seats to almost
equal, or even exceed, the capacity of an A380.

As we reported earlier this year (see news, February 7), Air Canada's
three-class B777-300ERs accommodate a whopping 458 passengers.

By comparison, Korean Air configures its A380 with just 409 passengers while
SIA's A380s accommodate either 407 or 471 passengers depending on the version.

So the B777-300ER carrier scores twice over. The B777-300ER is cheaper to
purchase than an A380 while its operating costs are lower. And the situation
will not improve because the future version, branded the B77X and which has
been ordered by Lufthansa, is being specially designed to seat ten passengers
abreast.

That is why Doric believes its high-density 630-seater A380 will redress the
balance in Airbus' favour.

But won't passengers rebel against ever tighter seating? Maybe not. Quoted in
the Wall Street Journal, the solution says Emirates CEO Tim Clark "is to
offer passengers distractions like big meals, frequent snacks and lots of IFE
(inflight entertainment)".

Meanwhile, such publicity will not be welcomed by Airbus as the denser A380
layout goes against its recent campaign of having 18ins wide seats as an
industry standard for long-haul economy. (see news, October 28).

All A380s currently in airline fleets are configured 3-4-3 in economy class
with 18ins wide seats. Move to 11-across and chances are that seat width will
be up to an inch narrower.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/emirates-eyes-11-across-seating-on-a380



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→ FTICR:這樣可以載多少人啊@@
推 harry901:不知道有沒有擺過三走道的?
→ harry901:3-3-3-3有可能嗎?
推 harry901:擺不下去XDDD  剛查了main deck 6.54公尺
推 iqeqicq:那不是要花大錢將舊機改艙嗎？
→ iqeqicq:阿酋認為，減少椅寬相對要付出的是更好的機上餐飲娛樂
推 ttnakafzcm:3-5-3..........Double Excuse Me
推 kimi255085:..........3-5-3 坐最中間的大概會崩潰
推 siutok:3-5-3 我一定不會坐
推 yxl:我坐過AA的5的正中間，其實也沒那麼慘啦 最慘是長程腳沒地方放
推 techih:調查顯示大部份的人比較重視機上娛樂跟餐點 而不是椅寬
→ techih:新的773可以坐430人，所以空巴才要弄3-5-3的380,可坐630人
→ iqeqicq:3-5-3的應該是面向全家出遊及團客，便於集中安排座位
推 AEM:反過來想  要是很空  中間只有一人坐的時候就可以躺平  XD
推 appletime:那我寧可搭2-4-2小飛機
→ bbcar:EK表示:3-5-3就慘絕人寰的話,改天推出4-4-4就是放大絕囉!(誤
推 ckmarkhsu:認真的說，其實380的靠窗真的很寬
→ kuma660224:每個位子有多寬？
推 techih:3-5-3 17in. 內文有寫
推 ttnakafzcm:4-4-4會過嗎 我懷疑 Triple Excuse Me........
推 JLurker:老實說中短程應該ok啦,想想補習班座位都是octo+ excuse me
推 nyrnu:現在A380最多已可合法允許塞至少840人
→ kuma660224:17的話，跟台灣高鐵是一樣的
→ IanPan:我覺的伊斯蘭國家的思考跟我們不同 MH也有那種2-5-2的位子
→ IanPan:可能出遊都是大家庭 如果3個人話 剛好一排 4-5也不用拆開?
→ ndr:在美國看過DC10是2-5-2的
推 wudanny:感覺艙內空氣會好悶XD
→ iqeqicq:沒聽說過經濟艙向來被謔稱為「餵食秀」嗎？
推 Homeshadow:所以下一個是什麼XD A330/340也學LCC改為3-3-3嗎  XD
推 chataulait:3-5-3 然後以後讓靠走道的座位全部都需要加價選位XD
→ chataulait:以長途來說，就算靠窗位子寬又可以看外面，我這種喝水
→ chataulait:多上廁所頻繁而且需要起來伸懶腰的還是得靠走道坐
推 TllDA:能乾脆改成單走道嗎  6-6配置好了 靠窗的就發幾個小便袋
→ TllDA:這樣至少中間的走道會很寬 送餐時比較方便
→ chataulait:6-6很恐怖，不只坐裡面的人超慘，誰要小便袋啊
→ chataulait:而且送餐也沒那麼簡單，一個一個傳餐盤很容易打翻
→ chataulait:我說，男性都不一定會要小便袋了，女性一定打死不要啊
→ chataulait:難道你要把比較靠近走道的座位全部保留給女性乘客？
推 Homeshadow:樓上太認真了啦XD
推 chialin39:6-6發小便袋真的很好笑XDDD
→ chataulait:我很認真啊，因為很多看起來很扯的事情都有航空公司要
→ chataulait:做，所以天曉得哪天會不會真有這種事情出現
→ chataulait:說不定還有航空公司會想減少一些廁所然後放省空間的
→ chataulait:男性小便斗勒 (想像力無限開展~~)
推 Homeshadow:每個座位都改裝成馬桶嗎XD
推 chataulait:每個座位都有馬桶實際上應該不可行，但是原本一個廁所
→ chataulait:的空間改放三個小便斗的話就差很多了
推 timchenegg:如果放導尿管的成本算起來比較低的話 航空公司可能真
→ timchenegg:的會考慮這種事情的..
推 kuma660224:短程改成半坐半站？這可以塞更多人。
→ chataulait:賣站票這種事不是早就有航空公司想做了嗎
→ danic:2-5-2<--UA的772也這樣過 和伊斯蘭無關
推 Ecclestone:double excuse me...
推 Ecclestone:尿套就好啦 導尿管都出現了 XD 導尿袋收集滿了直接往外
→ Ecclestone:丟 降低重量
推 PCH800618:新推出的區域版333經濟艙配置就是3-3-3唷
→ Homeshadow:咦，機艙有變寬嗎
→ PCH800618:                 沒有@@
推 nyrnu:說不定華航即將交機的最後2架A333就學鄰居菲航-塞進414人(誤
→ iqeqicq:可惜744停產了，當時的3-4-3經濟艙也擔綱了高運量空運主力
→ iqeqicq:然而長榮77W/744的菁英艙是2-4-2陳設，77W經濟艙是3-3-3
→ iqeqicq:未來華航77W的經濟艙座位橫排陳設就是好問題了
→ iqeqicq:阿酋的A380商務艙也是2-4-2，但採前後錯位設計
推 newest:好恐怖...........
推 Kazamatsuri:中間的餐是哪邊走道的要送？