Re: [Full-disclosure] Apache suEXEC privilege elevation / information

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Am 11.08.2013 22:15, schrieb Stefan Kanthak:
> "Reindl Harald" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Am 10.08.2013 16:52, schrieb Tobias Kreidl:
>>> It is for this specific reason that utilities like suPHP can be used =
as a powerful tool to at least keep the
>>> account user from shooting anyone but him/herself in the foot because=
 of any configuration or broken security
>>> issues. Allowing suexec to anyone but a seasoned, responsible admin i=
s IMO a recipe for disaster.
>>
>> and what makes you believe that a developer can not be a "seasoned, re=
sponsible admin"?
>=20
> Because developers write functions like "system", "symlink" and "suexec=
"
> which can create havoc (and are WELL-KNOWN for creating havoc since
> years) and allow everybody to call them in the default configuration of=

> their software.

a so because some stupid developers all are faulty?

>> bullshit, many of the "seasoned, responsible admins" which are only
>> admins are unable to really understand the implications of whatever
>> config they rollout
>=20
> It was the developer who created and published this vulnerable software=

> or the vulnerable default configuration in the first place.

it was the admin who did not RTFM and rolled out default
settings in environents with untrustable code

> If a user/administrator who installs software has to turn insecure
> features OFF its the developer who is to blame, and of course the
> testers, the QA and the management too

not entirely untrue, but anybody who thinks he can install
whatever server-software with defaults, not RTFM and call
hiself a serious admin is a fool

again:
symlinks are to not poision always and everywhere
they become where untrusted customer code is running
blame the admin which doe snot know his job and not
the language offering a lot of functions where some
can be misused


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