[選秀]Perry Jones III：鑽石或是瓦礫？

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標題[選秀]Perry Jones III：鑽石或是瓦礫？

時間Tue Apr 10 22:26:49 2012

by Chad Ford, ESPN Is Perry Jones III going to be a superstar or a dud? That's the question many NBA GMs are pondering right now. Perry Jones三世究竟會成為超級球星或者無三小路用，現在很多球探都想知道。 Given his A-plus talent and C-minus motor … your guess is as good as any. 考量他A+等級的天分與C-等級的打球動力，兩者皆有可能。 His draft stock has been falling all year as fed-up scouts and GMs feel that he's out of excuses. 隨著對他失望的球探跟總管們覺得他已沒有藉口好找，PJIII的選秀價值下滑。 But there is an interesting subtext to the Jones debate. Are we looking at his game the wrong way? Maybe the reason he struggles to dominate is because he's being asked to play out of position. 但圍繞著他的爭論裡仍有一點值得討論：有沒有可能大家解讀PJIII球賽的角度都有誤？也許他宰制力不足的原因是被安排在失當的位置上？ "He really has the game of a 2-guard or a small forward," one respected NBA GM told ESPN.com. "Baylor used him as a center for the past two years, so you rarely got to see him comfortable. It's like, what if UConn had tr -ied to play Rudy Gay at the 5? I think people would've had a very different opinion of him on draft night." 「他有道地的得分後衛或小前鋒的打法」一位廣受尊敬的總管這麼說「兩年來貝勒大學把他當中鋒用。就好像假使康乃狄克大學拿Rudy Gay打中鋒會如何？我想等到選秀那晚人們將對PJIII大大改觀」。 Jones has frustrated scouts since his high school days. He's always had the requisite size, length and athleticism to be an NBA stud. He also has had a fairly advanced perimeter game for a while. He can handle the ball and break guys down off the dribble and has a solid jump shot. He has alw -ays been the team's most willing passer. Had Scott Drew let him run the point, would things have been different? PJIII表現不如預期早在高中就開始了。他有足以在NBA安身立命的體型、身高和機動力，外圍火力一度還有顯著進步。他能用運球技術或犀利跳投打敗防守者，一直以來也都是全隊最不吝於分享球的選手。倘若Scott Drew教頭讓它控球，情況會有所不同嗎？ Scouts have focused on Jones' perceived lack of toughness. He doesn't block shots. He shies away from contact. He floats a lot out on the perimeter. It's rare to see him aggressively take control in the paint. Those are all things that elite 4s do in college. But if he's a wing? The standard may be just a little bit different. 球探聚焦於PJIII的「不夠硬」，他不太蓋鍋、迴避肢體碰撞、喜歡外圍遊走，鮮少看見積極打進籃下控制禁區，上述都是大學頂級PF的責任……但假設他是側翼呢，標準恐怕要另外訂。 So what is he? I spoke with an NBA scout last year who had an interesting take. He said NBA scouts should quit trying to project what a player should be and focus on scouting a player based on what the player thinks he is. So，PJIII究竟是？去年某位球探在跟我對談中提出有趣的論點：NBA球探該停止去預設球員該成為那個位置，而是以球員認定自己該是哪個位置的角度來觀察。 "Players are who they think they are, not who you think they are," the scout said. "Perry Jones thinks like a point guard, not a big man. That's where his heart is. Embrace that and he's going to be amazing. Fight it and he could be a huge disappointment." 「球員呈現的是他心裡描繪的自己，而非外人給他的框架，PJIII認為自己是個PG，不算長人，此為他本心所在，能擁抱其本心則強悍，與其抗拒則帶來巨大失落」。 A year and a few months later and that's where we are. Draft Jones as a dom -inant 4 man who will defend, make a living in the paint and outwork the next guy and you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Let him play like Rudy Gay, give him the ball on the wing and let him create and he might just surprise you. 這段談話距今已一年多。想選進PJIII並期望他成為善守、在禁區討生活的硬派大前鋒，那麼你恐怕要失望。讓他像Rudy Gay一般側翼持球，發揮其創意，也許能帶給你驚喜。 We currently have Jones ranked No. 9 on our Big Board and have him going No. 12 to the Milwaukee Bucks in our Lottery Mock Draft. Both of those numbers are probably close to his floor as an NBA prospect. If he has great workouts and if a team with the right system is drafting above that, Jones could go anywhere between 5 and 12 on draft night. 現階段PJIII在ESPN模擬選秀被預測為12順位中選，但如果他在試訓中有良好表現，再搭配良好的戰術體系，他的順位不排除落在5~12名之間。因為是ESPN Insider，所以就不貼來源了 ※Perry Jones的總教練Scott Drew已證實他將投入本次選秀。 ※雖然Chad Ford的模擬選秀要從樂透順位正式抽籤決定後，才慢慢有參考價值，不過還是提一下他的Mock2.0版本騎士就是選到Perry Jones。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.168.121.156

推 James781004:選了這隻就是豪賭不是大贏就是大輸 04/10 22:29

推 jinpenchi:A大很愛這隻不過能凹到10~16順位左右就選吧 04/10 22:56

→ jinpenchi:感覺有成為Durant的fu~不過他好像會懶懶的...跟JJ很像 04/10 22:57

推 jinpenchi:SF剛好很空給他練順位差賭他我覺得OK....其實不想打自 04/10 23:00

→ jinpenchi:己不喜歡的位子會有那種反應正常....他又不是坦克車 04/10 23:00

→ jinpenchi:體型相當符合SF最近流行的體型我認為騎士選到不會吃虧 04/10 23:01

推 jinpenchi:只是在他投籃的觀察要比較注意就是了這點影響很大.... 04/10 23:04

推 jinpenchi:這樣Gee也可以拉去打SG身高1~4號沒有身高被打點的問題 04/10 23:09

推 jinpenchi:想到JJ.....最近又想念他了 TT時間給他太多成長不顯著 04/10 23:13

→ jinpenchi:能壓他的人沒半個阿感覺成長比較慢可惜沒撿到JJ 04/10 23:13

→ arenasis:沒有特別愛啊XD Chad Ford寫哪個值得看的Insider我就會 04/10 23:15

→ arenasis:去翻譯，只是今天剛好他寫這位 04/10 23:16

→ arenasis:插播一下，Cody Zeller不參加2012選秀 04/10 23:16

推 jinpenchi:Andre Drummond呢??今天參選名單沒看到他.... 04/10 23:20

→ jinpenchi:他的大學不要被停賽了會去參加選秀嘛?@_@ 04/10 23:20

→ jinpenchi: 是 04/10 23:20

→ jinpenchi:如果沒有....明年真的要變成巨獸年了騎士還要在樂透區 04/10 23:22

→ jinpenchi:嘛.....每ㄧ次選秀選前OR選完都有還不夠的感覺阿 04/10 23:23

→ arenasis:今年的期限嚴格講有兩個，大多數人都追隨4/29的那個期限 04/10 23:24

→ arenasis:包括KU的那幾位，所以還早 04/10 23:25

推 jinpenchi:喔喔!! 名單也沒ㄧ字眉狀元....了解 04/10 23:26

推 hunight:對Jones的評價鑽石沒開採就是石頭 04/11 09:48

→ hunight:Drummond其實就算UConn被禁只參加錦標賽他也沒有一定要閃 04/11 09:49

→ hunight:的理由就是看他心情爽不爽而已就算是明年不打64強他應 04/11 09:50

→ hunight:該還是躺著也有前五順位 04/11 09:50

→ arenasis:多謝:> 但是Drummond有好到連明年長人年都能躺在前五順位 04/11 10:02

→ arenasis:等人選嗎@@ 04/11 10:02

推 hunight:其實13年的長人我只看好Cody、Adams，Noel實在不看好 04/11 10:39

→ hunight:McAdoo也是tweener 加上Drummond只是技巧很嫩心態還蠻正 04/11 10:40

→ hunight:確的加上NBA Ready的身材和體能就擺在那裡只要有一點進 04/11 10:41

→ hunight:步前五應該不是問題 04/11 10:41

→ arenasis:hmm...所以我可以這樣解讀嗎 "單純拿Drummond跟PJones比 04/11 11:16

→ arenasis:較，現階段前者在適應NBA的正確心態上比後者來得高" 04/11 11:17

→ arenasis:多謝回答嚕~_~ 04/11 11:17

推 kyle1101:以名字來看比較適合搖擺人 04/11 12:55

推 jinpenchi:Meyers Leonard呢? ESPN預測跌的比之前多感覺2X簽+2輪 04/11 15:36

→ jinpenchi:就能換到他這樣選PJ+Leonard 我覺得也OK 可以擺長人陣 04/11 15:37

→ arenasis:他不是大部分時間都在樂透尾巴/首輪中段嗎? 04/11 16:20

→ arenasis:在那裡的話就看看有沒有別的辦法，用兩張籤只推進10順位 04/11 16:21

→ arenasis:不是太划算 04/11 16:21

推 jinpenchi:好像最高跑到14XD 後來消失一陣子不過看他高光有騎士缺 04/11 17:35

→ jinpenchi:少的東西能選到就好了穩穩的選秀才是正確觀念 04/11 17:36

→ jinpenchi:這季不奢求像上季那樣不過也希望賭到Star級球員 04/11 17:37

推 jinpenchi:掛C的除了Drummond的身材再來就是他了吧.... 04/11 17:46

推 hunight:單就心態上應該是Drummond>>>Jones沒錯 04/11 20:08

→ hunight:Leonard明年選來應該會送去D-League 然後全隊繼續觀念... 04/11 20:08

→ hunight:不過條件確實是很讚沒有錯心態是還不錯但就是技巧還太嫩 04/11 20:09

→ hunight:如果球隊沒有好好培養很容易歪掉 04/11 20:10

→ arenasis:不會吧...Thompson我們都能給他這麼多發揮空間，然後 04/11 20:11

→ arenasis:相對更具深度的樂透末段中鋒，卻只能到NBDL嗎@@ 04/11 20:12

→ arenasis: ^選秀 04/11 20:12

推 jinpenchi:那是到強隊的狀況吧.....騎士有Andy 照理Leonard來的話 04/11 21:03

→ jinpenchi:應該跟hu大講的差不多不過我想會從替補磨練跟TT一起.. 04/11 21:04

推 cherngru:看完這篇文章和h大心得,我覺得選Jones不一定好耶~~ 04/11 21:17

→ cherngru:感覺真的賭太大~ 以騎士要靠選秀變強隊而不是半吊子隊 04/11 21:18

→ cherngru:的思維來說，潛力還是選心態佳的球員會保險一點~ 04/11 21:20

→ cherngru:另外，我覺得長人年也“不一定等於”選秀強年或素質好 04/11 21:23

→ cherngru:10年來，選秀6-11~7呎多的長人也不少,真的成材的比起其他 04/11 21:25

→ cherngru:位置的少太多太多。長人養成不易，長人年如果有高順位 04/11 21:26

→ cherngru:更要更加更加仔細評估，不然浪費選秀權的機率非常高orz 04/11 21:27

→ arenasis:明年長人年順位如果還跟今年一樣，那可有點慘了~ 04/11 21:50

→ arenasis:起碼要退到第十順位，繳出一點成績 04/11 21:51

推 cherngru:這兩年選秀權那麼多~沒撈個堪用的“真”長人還蠻可惜的>< 04/11 21:55

推 cherngru:Drummond和PJ都6-11，但PJ感覺不是打禁區的料orz 04/11 21:59

→ arenasis:倘若要選當然要選走中鋒路子的，所以我才問誰的心態比較 04/11 22:12

→ arenasis:上進，不過薪資空間找FA先頂著也可接受 04/11 22:13

→ hunight:我認為去年Thompson的即戰力應該大於明年在NBA的Loenard 04/11 22:39

→ hunight:Leonard心態是蠻上進的他家庭經濟狀況不好打球很認真不 04/11 22:39

→ hunight:過個性不是很強勢那種需要慢慢找個導師開導他 04/11 22:39

→ hunight:和他聊過天的記者都說他的心智成熟度完全不像20歲不到的小 04/11 22:40

→ hunight:朋友 04/11 22:40

推 hunight:然後就是我是一直認為今年不算是什麼超級大年的那派... 04/11 22:43

→ arenasis:我想充其量就是平均深度比較大的選秀 04/11 23:04

→ arenasis:不過脫炒作的福，很多內線消息都指出2012的籤價價值都 04/11 23:05

→ arenasis:相對高昂XD 04/11 23:05

→ hunight:真的是炒作光看樂透區不要說打出明星身價有幾個能保證 04/12 00:08

→ hunight:不要養歪呢? 潛力是一回事但充斥大量定位不明技術還沒定 04/12 00:09

→ hunight:型的低年級棄學生我一直搞不懂怎麼能算是超級大年? 04/12 00:10

推 James781004:h大中肯今年選秀感覺"天賦"是不錯的但都需要養 04/12 01:30

→ James781004:這些天賦能不能成為真正的實力都還有待觀察 04/12 01:31

→ James781004:反而真正可以提供立即性幫助的新秀似乎沒幾個 04/12 01:31

推 jinpenchi:有好的材料就好了反正不會養的球隊就那幾支給會養的多 04/12 01:38

→ jinpenchi:一點選秀比不會養球員的球隊來的有用希望騎士有多點簽 04/12 01:39

→ jinpenchi:尤其是一輪簽 Grant要讓我們見證奇蹟的時刻阿!! 04/12 01:41

→ sneak: 今年的期限嚴格講有兩個 https://noxiv.com 12/10 00:48

→ muxiv: 有好的材料就好了反正 https://moxox.com 04/18 19:30