作者arenasis (Mr.Vengeance)
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標題[選秀]試訓後，球探對PJ III的觀感產生分歧
時間Sun May 27 13:40:56 2012
Chad Ford的Insider，所以就不貼來源了
The two biggest enigmas in the draft are Connecticut Huskies big man
Andre Drummond and Baylor Bears forward Perry Jones. I'll see Drummond
in New York early next week. Jones was the headline attraction on
Thursday. Whether his performance answered the questions NBA teams
have about him is open to interpretation.
Drummond跟PJIII是本次選秀的兩大難解人物，我下週會在紐約見到前者試訓。
本週四則是後者佔據頭條，不論PJIII的試訓表現是否有助於釐清NBA聯盟對他
的種種疑問，但確實提供了可以公評的話題。
The workout featured Jones as a wing -- a smart move to validate NBA
scouts who believe that Jones was miscast as a center in Baylor's
offense the past two years. While Jones has the size of an NBA center
, he's a perimeter-oriented big man who shies away from contact in
the paint. He always looked more comfortable with the ball in his
hands facing the basket than he did backing down a defender in the paint.
本試訓顯示PJIII是個側翼球員，那些認為他兩年來在貝勒學院都被放錯位置
的NBA球探，看法是正確的。儘管他有擔任NBA中鋒的身板，但卻是不愛身體
對抗，球風偏外圍的長人，PJIII喜歡面框持球而非背框攻擊。
Thursday's workouts capitalized on Jones' strengths and featured him
in a number of drills alongside other wings like the Vanderbilt
Commodres' Jeff Taylor and UC Santa Barbara's Orlando Johnson.Jones
wowed early. He's unusually quick and fluid for a player his size.
While he's not a lights-out shooter, he's got a nice stroke and knocked
down 7-of-15 from NBA 3-point range in one drill. He's also a solid
ball handler for his size and looked very comfortable running all the
drills on the perimeter.What was most impressive was his explosiveness
in the paint. When Jones hit the lane he blasted off the ground for a
number of thunderous, highlight-reel dunks.
PJIII跟其他側翼球員如Vanderbilt大學的Jeff Taylor、聖塔芭芭拉的Orlando
Johnson一起試訓並體測。一開始PJIII就有表現，以同體型的球員來說他非常
敏捷且刁鑽，他並非神射手，但三分球也投15中7。PJIII的持球運球也是同類
中的佼佼者，在外圍的測試項目中都勝任愉快。最令人激賞的還是禁區的爆發
力，到了罰球線一帶他能演出驚天動地、Highlight等級的灌籃。
In many ways he reminded me of another unusually big wing -- Paul George.
Chad Ford聯想到Paul George（現溜馬）
After the workout was over, some things were clear. Others were not.
試訓解答了某些事，某些則否。
Jones is going to look terrific in individual workouts. There are very
few players in this draft or any draft who can do the things he does
at his size. A team could easily fall in love with his potential and
make him a top-5 pick. George fell all the way to No. 10 on draft night
and virtually every team that passed on him in the draft now regrets
it. If we were to do over the 2010 draft today, he'd be the second or
third player off the board.What is less clear is whether a position
change will improve Jones' motor and overall mental toughness. He disa
-ppeared for long stretches during Baylor's season and shied away from
contact. Was Jones just unhappy with his role at Baylor and therefore
not as engaged as he could've been? Or is there something deeper in his
personality that saps the competitive edge out of him?
在個別試訓裡PJIII超強，這次選秀沒幾個像他這種體格的人能有如此表現。前
5號籤的球隊很容易被此吸引。George當時是第10順位中選，沒選他的隊伍事後
都後悔了，如果2010選秀時光倒流，他會在2或3順位中選。但情況一樣渾沌不
明的是，換個位置打球有助於PJIII的求勝慾以及心智強度嗎？Jones在貝勒學
院被安插在不適應的位置，是造成他在場上無表現且不喜身體對抗的原因？或
者人格面的深處有某些因子讓他自我設限呢？
In speaking with Jones on Thursday, he's aware of what teams are con-
cerned about and said he's working on improving his mental toughness
and body language. He specifically said he's trying to improve his at-
titude when his shot doesn't fall early.As for the GMs in the room?
Everyone I spoke with came away with a different opinion. Here were
two of the most representative.
Ford跟PJIII談話時，後者表示他知道NBA隊伍對他的心理素質有疑慮，也強調他
正嘗試改進心態。GM們則有兩種分歧意見。
"That sort of talent doesn't come along very often," one GM said. "As
I was watching the workout, I thought you finally got to see what a
freed-up Perry Jones could do if a coach just lets him be himself. He
could be a dominant, and I mean dominant, forward with his size, athl-
etic ability and skill set. I think he's a hard worker and will be a
much better contributor if you give him the chance to be himself. I'd
have no concerns drafting him in the top 5. He could be a home run of
a pick."
這種天分的球員不常見，當我看試訓時，想像的是有個讓他適才適所的好教練，
PJIII所能完全解放的狀態。以他的體格、運動力和技術，會成為有宰制力－－
沒錯，我就是說宰制力－－的選手。我認為讓他作自己之後，PJIII會很認真鍛
鍊，並在場上做出貢獻。要我用前5順位選他沒問題，這會是完美選擇。
And the other side ...
"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time
taking him [Jones]," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but
I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is speci-
al. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not
an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's
not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which
is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position."Could he be gre-
at? Sure. But I think he's a major project and a major risk. There are
safer picks in the top 10 with very good upsides. I think there's a
good chance that he slides in the draft as people continue to wrestle
with who he is.
在前十順位口袋名單中，最難下手選擇的就是PJIII。我知道他想打小前鋒啊，
但我們對小前鋒球員的要求，他可沒作得特別好。他不是好射手、護球也不行
、亦非積極防守者。有運動力跟體型，但技術未成熟，這意味著他可能成為廣
距離大前鋒，而這只是對找不到位置的選手的委婉說法。PJIII會很強嗎，當然
，但也有高風險存在，前10順位有太多更保險的人可選，我認為當各界持續爭
論他的定位，PJIII的順位將下滑。
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1.還滿懷疑心態這種東西可以自己主動強化的......
2.以騎士的順位來說，實際上中籤機率最高應該是第5順位，不管拿到5或6順位
都難抉擇。但前幾位好手裡有個騎士比較不缺的T.Robinson，如果他先被挑走，
就可能把騎士鎖定的人往後擠，讓騎士能選到。
3.今年是Byron Scott教頭的合約年，當然，不太需要擔心他的續約問題。
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推 r44621:想請問 如果我們的順位有幸選到MKG的話 會挑他嗎? 05/27 13:50
→ arenasis:要看情況，感覺他的籃球智慧 & 認真態度是Scott體系最需 05/27 13:52
→ arenasis:要的 05/27 13:52
→ arenasis:但Beal（或J.Lamb）能跟KI組成非常具有得分能力與破壞力 05/27 13:53
→ arenasis:的後場，這是兩種不同球隊特性發展路線的選擇 05/27 13:54
→ bfetter:Paul George時光倒流大概也是前五吧... 前三有點... 05/27 13:54
推 James781004:先挑T-Rob再向下交易的手法也可以考慮吧 05/27 14:30
→ James781004:PJ III這種球員風險實在太大...... 05/27 14:31
→ arenasis:幫他隊選後再交易印象中好一陣子沒看見了，因為比較麻煩 05/27 14:57
→ arenasis:用後面的籤加人去推進到十幾順位，應該是騎士會作的 05/27 14:58
→ arenasis:一次補四個新人有點太多 05/27 14:59
推 jinpenchi:去年好像也選了四名新人 結果只有順位高的留隊 05/27 16:55
推 lsbnj23:向下交易最有名的應該就是93年選秀會了吧 05/27 16:56
→ lsbnj23:魔術狀元Webber換來勇士探花Penny+3年的首輪 魔術超賺... 05/27 16:57
推 sampsonlu919:換句話說 勇士超冏 而且Webber當年雖是最佳新秀 05/27 18:10
→ sampsonlu919:但只為勇士效力一個賽季就走人了 05/27 18:10
推 hunight:看過一些他的訪問和教練隊友說法 他根本是美國田壘 05/27 21:52
→ hunight:有頂尖天分 加上絕佳的團隊性格 但就是自我要求和企圖心 05/27 22:11
→ hunight:差一點 這是連他的教練Scott Drew都稱讚和怨嘆的 05/27 22:12
→ arenasis: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 05/28 08:56
→ arenasis:sorry 那我不得不問個很理所當然的問題了，這位教頭沒被 05/28 08:57
→ arenasis:問過關於PJIII的適合位置，以及在他隊上的定位問題嗎? 05/28 08:59
→ hunight:其實Jones剛進入大學的時候 打法是往三號發展沒錯 05/28 09:52
→ hunight:不過因為球隊人員問題 去年Morgon扛不起先發C 只好推Acy 05/28 09:54
→ hunight:和A.Jones(也是一個6呎10 200磅的tweener)、P.Jones三個人 05/28 09:54
→ hunight:一起組前場 今年是Morgon和A.Jones都畢業了 沒長人只好再 05/28 09:55
→ hunight:把他放在內線 05/28 09:55
→ hunight:以我的看法 我從來不認為說把這種長人太早定位在只打外線 05/28 09:55
→ hunight:是好事 就連Durant在Texas防守都是站五號 籃板一樣破十 05/28 09:56
→ hunight:P.Jones這兩年沒打出來 我還是認為自己技術面練了兩年還是 05/28 09:57
→ hunight:兩光兩光影響比較大 而不是教練定位有問題 05/28 09:57
→ hunight:以他的打法 能搶籃板有活動力打法又偏外的長人 其實在大學 05/28 10:01
→ hunight:應該是最吃香的才是 像外國媒體認為他打的不如預期通通是 05/28 10:02
→ hunight:Drew的用法有問題 我覺得是有失公允的 05/28 10:03
→ arenasis:多謝:> 就是說PJIII打到C去，在NCAA當中並不算是另類 05/28 10:29
→ arenasis:的調度就對了 05/28 10:29
→ hunight:yes~ 05/28 10:59
推 jinpenchi:H大一講 感覺Perry是大雷阿... 05/28 15:56
→ hunight:我覺得還是看教練團怎麼調教吧 Jones的確有狀元潛力 不過 05/28 16:17
→ hunight:心態上是真的沒有go to guy的架勢 05/28 16:17
推 James781004:這種最適合給布朗爺之類的調教一下 05/28 16:18
推 cherngru:由a大兩篇文章+ h大推文 ,選PJ感覺像買樂透,賭對很強, 05/28 18:51
→ cherngru:但賭錯的機率太高了...騎士有那麼多人可選,不用賭那麼大 05/28 18:52
→ cherngru:要賭也賭運彩XDDDDD 05/28 18:53
推 jinpenchi:越看他越覺得像灰狼的A軟豆腐 長的也頗像........ 05/28 22:19
推 JoshSmith:養成Lewis好了 05/29 22:15
→ hunight:其實今年選秀就是充斥太多這種天分無限但是能打出來多少不 05/30 10:06
→ hunight:知道的 像是Drummond Leonard P.Jones T.Jones T.Wroten 05/30 10:07
→ hunight:我認為都有前五順位潛力 但有幾個能被放在正確位置上面養 05/30 10:08
→ hunight:呢? 我懷疑 05/30 10:08
推 citcal:Scott絕對不能選心態不成熟的..他會跟球員對幹... 05/31 11:18
推 hunight:PJ心態蠻成熟的啊 只是不知道有沒有當一哥的肩膀 05/31 14:36
→ hunight:所以才說他是美國田壘 05/31 14:36