[討論] Get the ball to Ray Allen !!!

[SexyCassell (其實我很帥)]

Get the ball to Ray Allen and let him run the offense (with the bench)


原文連結：http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=23327.0


※這是在celticsblog上看到的一系列討論串，主要在講RAY在C's的定位和打法問題
　有興趣的人可以自行前去觀看整個討論串，國外很多球迷的觀點相當有意思。
　以下節錄部分片段，歡迎大家一起討論！^^

※去年奪冠後，RAY本人曾經說過：「We did our best to somewhat downplay it,
  because Big Three, it was a Big 15. We have 15 guys on this team that
  have contributed all year.」


　希望所有塞爾提克的球迷都秉著這樣的精神~~^^



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Ray needs to be singled out on offense just like Paul is whenever he is alone
out there with the second group. He's a good enough facilitator to involve the
other guys when he doesn't have it but I want one of the greatest shooters in
NBA history shooting when with the second unit not Baby taking 18 footers and
Tony taking wild, off balance drives to the basket.

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Like just about everyone not named Pierce, Ray's shot was off last night. He
wasn't making his early open looks and was swatted the one time I recall him
taking it to the rim. It looks like we were playing him the same way we did
early last season, using him as a spot up shooter.

I think Ray needs the ball in his hands a little more, and not just running
around the perimeter. He needs to try and get into the middle or get those
midrange jumpers going before he starts launching the deep balls.

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  關於這個問題，上個球季冠軍賽第五場的時候已經非常熱烈討論過一次了......囧
  事實就是RAY和PP在球隊的部分功用就是重疊到，然而這個問題是不是非得要解決不可？

  尤其是我們已經拿下隊史的第17座冠軍，針對這個問題不能有別種想法嗎？

  請看下面幾段討論原文──

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I didn't like the lack of involvement/shots Ray had while playing with that
unit. It's a great opportunity to get Ray going offensively each night, they
should make more of it.

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I think more and more Ray is going to become a spot up shooter on the team,
there will be lots of screen and rolls for him, but as far as him with the ball
at the top of the key creating his shot, probably not (unless Sashsa Vujacic is
standing in front of him, and then 10 feet behind him). TA is a slasher, and as
unorthodox and ugly as it is at times, he can create his own shot better than
Ray. I do think Ray definitely should see more of the ball when he is the only
member of the big three out there, but it was just one game, and the Cavs play
Ray Ray well, so maybe Doc was trying to throw something out of the ordinary at
them. Hey, it worked.

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     小結

    （１）希望RAY能打得更有侵略性~
　　（２）RAY(也許)正轉型為定點射手，但是他會獲得更多掩護~
    （３）如果河流放棄一些既有的東西，球隊或許會運轉的更好~

     所謂的放棄一些東西，真的是非常玩味的一句話~~~


     於是──下面這幾段就是重點了！

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Ray is a shooter/scorer and I would like to see him play less minutes and get
more shots up per minute.  I really wouldn't mind Ray playing 25 minutes per
game and taking more shots per minute.  He really isn't above average in any
other facet of the game.  Does he really have to play 41 minutes just to space
the floor?

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It is not just about getting shots for Ray.  It is about trying to run the
offense at it's most effectiveness.  And putting the ball in Ray's hands when
Pierce, KG and Rondo are on the bench would make the Celtics offense the most
effective it can be.

Ray can do more then just catch and shoot.

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     小結：

    （４）RAY需要的是持球時間，不是上場時間。
　　（５）寧願RAY在較短的上場時候裡有更多的出手。
    （６）與其說是更多的出手，其實是更有效率的得分。

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Well yes Ray has to play 41 mins to space the floor because he and Pierce are
the only guys on the team that need to be guarded at the 3 pt line.  The only
way around this is to give some mins to Pruitt.

That is the flaw in the whole Eddie as a pg and the Eddie, Tony, Ray line up.
 Eddie is not a good 3pt shooter pulling up off the dribble and he doesn't do a
great job of finding others open looks or handling the ball in traffic.  Tony
can get his own shot but gets in trouble when he starts trying to create shots
and find the open man and is an iffy spot up shooter even if left wide open.
 Ray is in a simliar situation as Tony creating but much like Eddie he is way
better off the ball catching and shooting.


failing that if he is going to use House and Allen together I think that Pierce
has to be on the floor with them to be the primary distributor.  The other
three's strengths and weaknesses are too simliar and we end up with Tony as the
defacto pg which would be fine if he can find Ray or Eddie on the wing but more
often it his him going head down to the goal.

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　　小結：

　　（７）現在球隊具有三分威脅的人只有RAY和PP，可以讓Pruitt上場解決這個窘境。
　　
　　（註：上面這一大段同時還有講到TA和房子的功用，房子會被排除在三分威脅之外，
     是因為房子、TA和RAY同時在場上的時候，房子如果作為PG是有缺陷的，所以該名
　　 作者認為PP最好和房子、TA一起在場上。）

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　　結論：

　　我個人覺得11/5那場對火箭的比賽是非常好的例子，那場比賽RAY表現的很好，
    塞爾提克全隊幫RAY的掩護和擋人也做的比上季好太多了~~~~

    (偷跑到火箭板看推文，看到有人推賽隊幾乎全隊都在幫RAY掩護、擋人
     我還真的蠻開心的XD~ )

    RAY本來就不是定點射手，他最能發揮價值的地方也不僅僅是投籃，但是塞爾提
    克本來就不是講究進攻的球隊，如何讓RAY最小的每一分有最大的質量是很重要的。

    那已經不是PP一球在手，還遲遲不把球傳給RAY的問題了......

    所以RAY和PP的進攻重疊，的確是無解，但現在我相信根本也不需要解決了。

    而且，三巨頭手上已經有冠軍了。


    定點射手？我肯定RAY他自己不會這麼認為。

    以上，一點想法。^^


    (若有對英文原文誤解造成歧見的情況，煩請告知~)

    GO GO CELTICS~~~~~



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推 Kirihara    :推 RAY需要的是持球時間，不是上場時間
推 allenpu     :我要昨天的灌籃啦!!!!!!!!!
推 Ray340415   :推 不過有些還不是看的很懂 ...
→ Ray340415   :我也想要昨天的灌籃 如果有人可以分享就好了!!!
推 holyduck    :我覺得雷槍處理球的能力明顯比PP好  以前在超音速
→ holyduck    :關鍵時期幾乎都是讓雷槍持球做為進攻的發動機
→ holyduck    :相較之下PP拿球的時候大家都知道他會直接打掉
→ holyduck    :加上PP打球又有點拖泥帶水的XD 隊友反而不好跑位
→ holyduck    :如果讓PP就回到單純進攻finish的工作會比較適合
→ holyduck    :就看他願不願意犧牲了 畢竟以前一人球隊習慣了
→ holyduck    :其實比較擔心防守 三巨頭是否能整個球季都維持高檔
→ holyduck    :尤其到了季後賽  腳步跟不跟得上  畢竟都30幾了
→ NLchu       :防守不會是問題，反而是進攻集體熄火的問題一直沒獲
→ NLchu       :得解決，然後莫名連帶到防守也會亂，最好的願景是RA
→ NLchu       :能變成跟漢米爾頓一樣一樣靠團隊擋人做攻擊的跑位射
→ NLchu       :手，而不是跟以前一樣拿球再拼命擺脫防守...反而是
→ NLchu       :有點強錯地方的定位