Re: [討論] Get the ball to Ray Allen !!!

[TT123 (The Truth)]

放心吧
Ray的重要性在今年會更加明顯，沒別的原因...就是少了Posey
當T-Mac一直硬打Ray時，如果是去年就會有Posey上來頂...現在Ray只能靠自已
特別是TA看來除了比較健康有自信外，並沒有什麼多大的進步
拿了球就一定要往前運二下、沒有外線、跑位又差，基本上如果C's在進攻上打戰術
的話，感覺上TA是完全沒用處...他只需要大家讓開清出禁區給他單打
今年TA還是一個防守組，但是礙於身高要跟Posey比還是差多了 (T-Mac看都不看就在
他頭上投籃...)反之，等Doc覺得時機成熟時理論上Bill Walker跟九把刀會有機會上場
(就如同前幾年的新秀一樣..都是球季開打一段時間後才有機會亮相)
另一重點是，Ray到C's時就有說過希望在PG上分一點時間，而今年到目前為止，我認
為Doc最好早點讓Ray打一些PG，因為目前PG上只有Rondo罩得住...House、TA、Pruitt
都還不行
至於會覺得三分球變差，很大的原因就是TA的上場時間增加
只要他跟Rondo一起出現，外線就完全沒火力>< 這個問題是無解的!!
除非讓Pruitt跟Rondo一起上...也是一個方法
※ 引述《SexyCassell (其實我很帥)》之銘言：
: Get the ball to Ray Allen and let him run the offense (with the bench)
: 原文連結：http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=23327.0
: ※這是在celticsblog上看到的一系列討論串，主要在講RAY在C's的定位和打法問題
: 　有興趣的人可以自行前去觀看整個討論串，國外很多球迷的觀點相當有意思。
: 　以下節錄部分片段，歡迎大家一起討論！^^
: ※去年奪冠後，RAY本人曾經說過：「We did our best to somewhat downplay it,
:   because Big Three, it was a Big 15. We have 15 guys on this team that
:   have contributed all year.」
: 　希望所有塞爾提克的球迷都秉著這樣的精神~~^^
: -----------------------------------------------
: Ray needs to be singled out on offense just like Paul is whenever he is alone
: out there with the second group. He's a good enough facilitator to involve the
: other guys when he doesn't have it but I want one of the greatest shooters in
: NBA history shooting when with the second unit not Baby taking 18 footers and
: Tony taking wild, off balance drives to the basket.
: -----------------------------------------------
: Like just about everyone not named Pierce, Ray's shot was off last night. He
: wasn't making his early open looks and was swatted the one time I recall him
: taking it to the rim. It looks like we were playing him the same way we did
: early last season, using him as a spot up shooter.
: I think Ray needs the ball in his hands a little more, and not just running
: around the perimeter. He needs to try and get into the middle or get those
: midrange jumpers going before he starts launching the deep balls.
: -------------------------------------------------
: ◎
:   關於這個問題，上個球季冠軍賽第五場的時候已經非常熱烈討論過一次了......囧
:   事實就是RAY和PP在球隊的部分功用就是重疊到，然而這個問題是不是非得要解決不可？
:   尤其是我們已經拿下隊史的第17座冠軍，針對這個問題不能有別種想法嗎？
:   請看下面幾段討論原文──
: -----------------------------------------------
: I didn't like the lack of involvement/shots Ray had while playing with that
: unit. It's a great opportunity to get Ray going offensively each night, they
: should make more of it.
: -----------------------------------------------
: I think more and more Ray is going to become a spot up shooter on the team,
: there will be lots of screen and rolls for him, but as far as him with the ball
: at the top of the key creating his shot, probably not (unless Sashsa Vujacic is
: standing in front of him, and then 10 feet behind him). TA is a slasher, and as
: unorthodox and ugly as it is at times, he can create his own shot better than
: Ray. I do think Ray definitely should see more of the ball when he is the only
: member of the big three out there, but it was just one game, and the Cavs play
: Ray Ray well, so maybe Doc was trying to throw something out of the ordinary at
: them. Hey, it worked.
: ---------------------------------------------
: ◎　
:      小結
:     （１）希望RAY能打得更有侵略性~
: 　　（２）RAY(也許)正轉型為定點射手，但是他會獲得更多掩護~
:     （３）如果河流放棄一些既有的東西，球隊或許會運轉的更好~
:      所謂的放棄一些東西，真的是非常玩味的一句話~~~
:      於是──下面這幾段就是重點了！
: ---------------------------------------------
: Ray is a shooter/scorer and I would like to see him play less minutes and get
: more shots up per minute.  I really wouldn't mind Ray playing 25 minutes per
: game and taking more shots per minute.  He really isn't above average in any
: other facet of the game.  Does he really have to play 41 minutes just to space
: the floor?
: --------------------------------------------
: It is not just about getting shots for Ray.  It is about trying to run the
: offense at it's most effectiveness.  And putting the ball in Ray's hands when
: Pierce, KG and Rondo are on the bench would make the Celtics offense the most
: effective it can be.
: Ray can do more then just catch and shoot.
: ----------------------------------------------
: ◎
:      小結：
:     （４）RAY需要的是持球時間，不是上場時間。
: 　　（５）寧願RAY在較短的上場時候裡有更多的出手。
:     （６）與其說是更多的出手，其實是更有效率的得分。
: -----------------------------------------------
: Well yes Ray has to play 41 mins to space the floor because he and Pierce are
: the only guys on the team that need to be guarded at the 3 pt line.  The only
: way around this is to give some mins to Pruitt.
: That is the flaw in the whole Eddie as a pg and the Eddie, Tony, Ray line up.
:  Eddie is not a good 3pt shooter pulling up off the dribble and he doesn't do a
: great job of finding others open looks or handling the ball in traffic.  Tony
: can get his own shot but gets in trouble when he starts trying to create shots
: and find the open man and is an iffy spot up shooter even if left wide open.
:  Ray is in a simliar situation as Tony creating but much like Eddie he is way
: better off the ball catching and shooting.

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推 SexyCassell :這倒是真的 軟豆和TA同時在場上 外線真的很囧~~
→ SexyCassell :但是我一直在想一群替補+RAY 和一群替補+PP
→ SexyCassell :爲什麼結果會差那麼多?XD
推 NLchu       :目前C's的rule player功能太過單一，四個裡面三個只
→ NLchu       :能打禁區，一個只能投外線，所以這季看到大家都在增
→ NLchu       :加中距離的出手(不管是不是一直沒進= =)，已經不只是
→ NLchu       :單純沒外線的問題了......只能說替補太過薄弱的問題
→ NLchu       :一直都在，而且已經被別隊攻擊了，快簽人吧安吉
→ TT123       :再簽人的話，就要交易了...人基本上滿了
→ TT123       :比較期待新秀能補上來
→ TT123       :整個替補陣容，最大的問題還是在TA
→ TT123       :首先House根本不會組織也沒有單打能力，他只能待在
→ TT123       :三分線外等機會，偏偏TA也愛站在三分線外看等看有沒
→ TT123       :人會給他球單打，Big Baby跟Powe都覺得在禁區比較有
→ TT123       :安全感...如果Ray或PP不站出來組織的話，就形同一灘
→ TT123       :死水...也因此當替補大軍上來時，最好的方法就是打快
→ TT123       :避免打半場進攻，以防守發動快速的反擊
推 viking0518  :個人覺得不考慮合約的話,是該交易
→ TT123       :如果一定要打半場的話，最好球先調到低位給Powe
→ viking0518  :總覺得替補陣容有重複到,應該精簡換個三分砲
→ TT123       :事實上，根本沒幾個替補PF守得住Powe
→ TT123       :一定要交易的話~~我們是需要一個2、3號的替補
→ TT123       :以熱身賽看來，Bill Walker應該已達到可以上場的水準
推 viking0518  :恩恩,目前三分彈薄弱這樣打季後賽真的很吃虧
→ TT123       :除非我們能用九把刀或Walker加上Big Baby去換到一個
→ viking0518  :總不能讓雷槍和PP一直挑戰高難度三分出手
→ TT123       :不錯的球員，不然的話~~還是等一陣子看新秀能不能上
→ TT123       :其實九把刀就是一個Posey..他防守跟三分球都很強
→ TT123       :只是還沒能達到Doc認為能上場的水準
推 viking0518  :少一個波西真的很頭痛
推 x0912587681 :拜託 那也要T妹能打進總冠軍賽呀 XD