[外電] Can the Celtics Still Defend Without Thibodeau?

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Can the Celtics Still Defend Without Thibodeau?

http://tinyurl.com/2ayu9yo


※ 本文主要在講沒有Thibodeau後，C's的防守不受影響，原作者的個人意識濃厚，
   翻譯一些片段如下：

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[Editor's note: Please welcome new author Jack Jemsek, who has also joined us
from Celtics Stuff Live and will be focusing mostly on statistical analysis -
something this blog has lacked for the most part up to this point.]

Conventional wisdom has been that Tom Thibodeau, Doc Rivers former associate
coach, was the chief architect of the vaunted Celtics defense from 2007-2010.
 "Thibs" was legendary for the time he spent evaluating their opponents and
prepping the players to play world-class team defense.

As shown in the table below, the Celtics were without question the No. 1
defensive team during Thibodeau's 3-year tenure with the Celtics.  For the
combined regular seasons from 2007-08 to 2009-10, the Boston Celtics were the
No. 1 ranked team in defensive field goal percentage (DFg%), the No. 1 team in
defensive rating (DRtg), and No. 1 in fewest points allowed (PtsA).  Note that
the "points allowed" is the least useful of the three, because it is dependent
on the team's pace.  Still, it is another feather in Boston's defensive resume.
 Despite last year's mid-season melt-down, it is surprising that the Celtics
are only one win shy of the Lakers in having the best overall win-loss record
during the same 3-year timeframe.

When it comes to having an effective defense, the coaches plan how to play the
defense and make adjustments, and the individual players must execute the plan
and then some.  Thibodeau has gotten most of the credit since he was the
"defensive" coordinator for the Celtics.  Alternatively, perhaps the credit
goes elsewhere, like to their defensive studs (as we shall see) or perhaps even
Doc who makes clear there is no "I" in team with his "Ubuntu" mantra that was
rolled out with the Big Three.

原文附圖http://tinyurl.com/2fme789

根據以上的附圖，Thibodeau在C's期間，C's在防守上的各項數據的確非常優秀，
防守命中率（DFg%），防守等級（DRtg）和壓制對手得分（PtsA）方面都排名第一。

儘管「壓制對手得分」是各項防守指標裡效用最小的，過分取決於球隊的打球節奏，
但這是C's的防守強項之一。

此外，上個賽季C's例行賽的戰績不甚優秀 (看看那有和沒有一樣的主場優勢.....)，
但這三年來，我們的勝場數只比湖人少了一場(人家湖人都衛冕總冠軍去了....T^T)。


Getting All-Defensive

When team defense is working with the players "being on a string", it is an
awesome thing to view.  However, even on an uber-team defensive squad, there
are always individuals that deserve special mention.  In other words, the
Celtics' Big Three of Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett have to yield to
the Big 3-D to another triumvirate:  Garnett, Kendrick Perkins and Rajon Rondo.
 These three folks have the top Defensive Ratings amongst the starters during
2007-2010, making Thibodeau look good (see Individual DRtg 2007-2010).  A hat
tip goes to James Posey, P.J. Brown, Tony Allen and Leon Powe on their
defensive skills, but they didn't approach "starters" minutes to qualify for
the upper tier Big 3-D.  To make things more complicated, Paul Pierce and Ray
Allen play pretty good defense at their positions as well, and simply have not
been duly recognized for their efforts on the other end of the court.  Being an
offensive star can be rough on the defensive ego . . .

To evaluate if the Celtics top-ranking defense has been more due to the special
defensive talents of the players, i.e., KG and Co., and not necessarily
Thibodeau's ministry, let's check in on the progress of the Celtics this
season, and also what changes Thibodeau may have brought with him to the Bulls.
 A note of caution:  it's a little early in the season to look at team stats
since rotations are being ironed-out, strength of schedule issues may be
prominent, injuries haven't averaged-out, etc. . . . but this is all for the
sake of tipping our hat to Thibodeau and his inaugural visit to the Garden this
past Friday with his Bulls.

C's過去擁有許多防守非常好的球員，包含先發的KG、PERK和RONDO，替補的POSEY、
PJ BROWN、TA、POWE。此外RAY和PP的防守也很好，只是他們進攻端的好表現讓人們難以
正確評價他們的防守能力。

為了評估C's的頂級防守，實行上是否更多來自於球員，而不是決定性的在Thibodeau這個人
就必須要關注Thibodeau在去了公牛以後，替公牛的防守帶來了什麼改變。


Celtics Minus Thibodeau
As far as the Celtics defense is concerned, it seems solid as ever this year,
even without Kendrick Perkins (and Thibodeau).  The C's have some nice numbers
on the defensive end to support their early success this year, as they are
ranked 4th in defensive rating with a value of 99.6.  Miami and Orlando take
the top spots, each approaching an impressive defensive rating of 94.  Thus
far, the Celtics trade mark defensive FG% isn't at the top, with their 43.6%
being the 7th best, lagging behind Orlando, Dallas and Miami who lead with a
defensive FG of 40% or lower.

we don't see much of a change.  Utilizing www.basketballvalue.com for the
evaluation, we see that the line-up of Rondo-Allen-Pierce-Davis-Garnett has a
defensive rating of 96.88 during the 66 minutes they shared the court this
year.  Last year with Thibs, this line-up had a defensive rating of 97.44 in
only 20 minutes of floor time, so the change in defense rating without Thibs
has improved if anything.  Davis and Garnett had limited time together on the
floor last year due to the presence of Rasheed Wallace, and that is why there
was only a 20 minute sampling for last year.

目前C's在沒有Thibodeau的情況下，球隊防守並無太大落差。


Bulls Plus Thibodeau
Another way of looking at Thibodeau's value is to evaluate what his impact to
the Bulls squad had been this year compared to last year, when Springfield,
Massachusetts' Vinny Del Negro was head coach.  The Bulls have a defensive
rating of 107.3 this year compared to 107.1 last year . . . not much change.
 The defensive FG% for the Bulls has been 44.3% this year compared to 45.1%
last year, which is a slight improvement.  Again, this is a small sample size,
but there's nothing revolutionary going on here with regard to Thibodeau's
impact on the defensive side of the ball in Chicago . . . yet.

If we look at similar line-ups with the Bulls this year versus last, the
closest line-up to utilize is Rose-Deng-Gibson-Noah, except we have to swap out
the shooting guard (using Hinrich vs. Salmons) with Bogans for this year.
 Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Gibson-Noah had a defensive rating of 103.4 last year.  This
year, with 72 minutes of floor time, the unit of Rose-Bogans-Deng,
Luol-Gibson-Noah has a defensive rating of 102.2, which is a slight
improvement.

So at this early point in the season, there is essentially no significant
improvement in the Bulls defense resulting with the addition of Thibodeau.

而公牛在有了Thibodeau之後，也沒有顯而易見、巨大性的進步。


Not Forgetting About Doc Rivers
Something tells me that Doc Rivers is not necessarily hands off when it comes
to coaching defense.  During the latter years of his career, he ended up with
some very defensive oriented-teams in the Knicks (Pat Riley) and Spurs (the No.
1 defensive team over the last 10 years . . . by far).  And before that, Docs
signature franchise, the Atlanta Hawks, were a fairly gritty team with Mike
Fratello being the head coach.  Fratello was not only the "czar of the
telestrator", but his team's routinely had the NBA's slowest pace with his
"grind-it-out" half-court approach to the game that emphasized defense.

I also recall that during the 3 seasons prior to the arrival of the Big Three,
all Doc Rivers prescribed during practice with his nubile group of Jefferson,
Gomes et al. seemed to be "defense".  Unfortunately the youngsters didn't "get
it", and we saw Pierce conserving his energy for the offensive end, which they
sorely needed from their star.  I always thought their offense was so poor
because all they did was practice defense!

Also complicating matters is that the Celtics have Larry Frank now second in
command to Doc, and Frank is supposedly a defensive-minded coach as well.

In the end, you can safely say that Thibs is a hard-working perhaps very good
coach that is still working out the kinks in Chicago.  His main contributions
in Boston were to assist Doc instill a system that uses the new talents of the
team.  Certainly the fact that he was there when Garnett, Allen and Posey came
on board accelerated the team's performance.  But when accounting for the
defensive success of this team, I can't get beyond the fact that the Celtics
players, along with Doc Rivers focus on "playing together", are more important
than Thibodeau's role as an assistant.

不要忘了河流對球隊防守的重要性！河流的執教生涯所待過的球隊都相當強調防守，
C's目前的第一助理教練Larry Frank也是個防守優先的教練。

在三巨頭組成的前三年，河流教導球隊的年輕球員要練習防守，但年輕球員們還不
了解「防守」的真正意義，那個時候PP甚至還會為了進攻而節省體力，當然我們需要
像PP這樣的明星球員在進攻端發揮才能贏球，但河流說的「防守」顯然並不是那麼一回事，
當時球隊的進攻如此貧瘠總不會是因為他們都把時間拿去練習防守了吧...= =

最後，你可以說Thibodeau是一個很努力，可能也是一個非常好的教練，
他在芝加哥的事業才剛起步而已，他對波士頓最主要的貢獻是幫助河流重組一支球隊，
而KG、RAY和POSEY的到來讓整隻球隊更好，而他身為防守教練當時剛好也在這支球隊。

但是說到C's防守的成功之處，我只能說，C's的球員們還有專注於「球員們齊心協力防守」
河流總教練，遠比Thibodea這個防守教練更重要。



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如果我沒有理解錯誤的話......

這個作者的意思應該是：球員的防守意識是總教練要求的，球隊的防守體系是建立在球員
本身上，所以Thibodea只是帶走防守戰術對C's是沒有影響的。

嗯~ 是這樣的意思嗎 XDDDDDDDD


GO GO CELTICS ~

PAUL THE TRUTH ~



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※ 編輯: SexyCassell     來自: 114.43.131.10        (11/13 22:18)
推 yzuboy      :GOGO
推 feelike     :基本上，防守體系早已經建立起來了，先發又沒變動
→ feelike     :當然加進大小歐可能會有點影響，不過不至於出大問題
→ piercepaul  :就是他只是帶走形式上的，實質上的東西還是留在這裡
→ piercepaul  :至於形式上的能不能夠衍生出實質的，不只看教練
→ piercepaul  :也看球員
→ SexyCassell :反正不要帶走KG的膝蓋 一切好說 XD
推 toNpppa     :借用一下 借用一下~
推 pohao522    :推-球員們齊心協力防守
推 Haskell     :其實Perk不在　防守還是有差一點..
推 ihx00       :球員們齊心協力防守!!!!
推 ndk23581    :恩恩  在防守體系已經成熟的情況  教練換人也沒差吧
推 kevinsz7    :這套防守體系都運轉三年多了 只要健康就好 XD
推 rainingdayz :性感外星人大XDDD
推 kevin200306 :一樓元智?
推 linyi781227 :我也不認為Thibodeau走後超塞的防守會變弱
→ muxiv: 借用一下 借用一下~ http://yaxiv.com