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時間Wed Jul 14 16:08:08 2010

※ [本文轉錄自 Orl-Magic 看板 #1CFMbIrD ] 作者: Sheffield3 (黃衫Ace曹錦輝) 看板: Orl-Magic 標題: [外電] Vince Carter to Chicago Bulls If Magic Re-Sign J.J. Redi 時間: Wed Jul 14 15:37:52 2010 NBA Trade Rumors: Vince Carter to Chicago Bulls If Magic Re-Sign J.J. Redick? While the Chicago Bulls anxiously await the Orlando Magic's decision on whether to match their three-year, $19 million offer sheet to J.J. Redick, Gar Forman and John Paxson should be forming a Plan B. So suppose Chicago does not acquire Orlando's prized backup shooting guard. Why not try to get the Magic's starting shooting guard then? Yes, Vince Carter is not the same player he was in Toronto or New Jersey. Though his skills have deteriorated, he has something even more valuable to teams across the league: a huge expiring contract. That contract could mean room for Carmelo Anthony. The Nuggets star would be a perfect fit on a Bulls team ready to contend in the Eastern Conference. If the Magic re-sign Redick for the amount the Bulls offered, he will be an expensive reserve. In fact, he alone will cost Orlando roughly $14 million next season, because every dollar the Magic pay him they also have to pay to the league as a penalty for exceeding the luxury tax. Point being, if the Magic like Redick so much, they would be willing to shed salary to reduce their financial burden. Here's where Vince comes into play. The Bulls could propose a trade of Luol Deng for Carter. They could even throw in a draft pick or two. It will save the Magic a good amount of money. The Bulls would get a shooting guard for a year, and cap room at the end of the 2010-11 season to pursue that final piece of the puzzle: Anthony. At the same time, it would also lessen the financial strain of re-signing Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, both of whom are in-line to get major raises. For the Magic, Redick and Quentin Richardson would share shooting guard duties, while Deng and Mickael Pietrus could cover the small forward spot. Richardson would be able to play at a spot more favorable to him. It makes sense for both teams. The only roadblock could be the two teams' unwillingness to help another threat in the East. This is what makes the Redick deal so intriguing. Are the Bulls just setting a high price to force the Magic to spend well into the luxury tax, which could ultimately lead to Carter being dealt? Or are the Bulls trying to take a critical piece away from arguably their biggest competition, while simultaneously boosting their own roster? Beyond the obvious question of willingness to trade, another factor is the Bulls' strategy. Is this it? Are they stockpiling now and rolling the dice with the team they have? Or do they have a two-year plan in place? Is another run at a big-name free agent in their minds? It should be. The Bulls have done a wonderful job this offseason of getting the best players with whom they could surround Rose. Yet it's not enough. A lineup of Rose-Redick-Deng-Boozer-Noah cannot compete with LeBron James-Dwyane Wade-Mike Miller-Udonis Haslem-Chris Bosh. And that's without the Heat acquiring a starting center. It's probably not good enough to defeat Jameer Nelson-Carter-Richardson-Rashard Lewis-Dwight Howard either. Anthony still needs to be in the Bulls' sights. If the Heat indeed win a championship this season, it will validate the idea of great players teaming up to form a super squad. Orlando won't have the cap space for Anthony, even if they keep Carter until his deal expires. Boston won't have the cap space. The Bulls could have the cap space if they play their cards right. And they could have a former All-Star at shooting guard. It is a slippery slope to continue resting the success of a franchise on landing a free agent. Some may say Carmelo to the Bulls is a pipe dream. But he fits with Rose and Boozer and would be the dynamic scorer the Bulls need to space the floor, create matchup problems, and become a truly fearsome team. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.113.7.249

推 ssd123698745:VC換滷蛋和滷蛋不熟...大家覺得怎麼樣? 07/14 15:42

推 ssd123698745:其實還是有點擔心VC走 JJ真的扛的住先發SG嗎 07/14 15:45

推 jellychen:要是我..站在VC迷的角度..樂觀其成..雖然有點不捨@@ 07/14 15:52

推 ssd123698745:可是感覺滷蛋也沒便宜多少加上JJ新的大約.. 07/14 15:54

推 dabute:滷蛋有點瘦 07/14 15:56

→ kirchize:是L.Deng嗎？是嗎？是嗎？這樣的話我們可以補上SF的鎖了 07/14 16:03

→ kirchize:阿Q跟JJ頂先發SG MP第六人 Deng補上SF 其實也是OK的 07/14 16:04

推 Howard2002:VC迷的角度換了也不錯 ~ 看看公牛現在的陣容也不錯 ~ 07/14 16:05

→ Howard2002:VC也比較有發揮空間 ~ 會是雙贏 ~ 07/14 16:06

→ jasonp92:借轉公牛版 07/14 16:07

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→ jasonp92:內容是說: CARTER的大合約明年到期.可以有利明年簽 07/14 16:09

→ jasonp92:MELO....應該也只是作者的建議 07/14 16:10

→ jasonp92:作者是建議魔術如果想留JJ又不想付豪華稅可以這樣換 07/14 16:12

→ jasonp92:但問題是換來CARTER先發SF誰要扛.. 07/14 16:13

→ kingsky1229:CARTER能勉強扛住SF嗎?不過我想到他上個賽季就汗顏... 07/14 16:40

推 answertw:Deng 應該比較好 07/14 17:26

推 Rawallace:能換成就雙贏 07/14 17:33

推 answertw:Carter防守好像不太行 07/14 17:42

推 BlueSky7091:以現階段而言，Deng不論防守或進攻都勝Carter吧 07/14 17:52

→ BlueSky7091:Carter老了，那麼想要他，他合約到期以中產簽他就好了 07/14 17:53

推 Pierce34:幹...嘛換Carter，不過是篇幻想文，還好 07/14 18:02

推 pro:推樓上換成功是魔術賺哪來雙贏如果MELO續約有錢能幹嘛 07/14 18:03

→ pro:明年自由球員是中鋒較多目前我們缺2.3號有錢簽不到啥好咖 07/14 18:05

→ Rawallace:CARTER再怎麼弱應該還是比Deng強吧 07/14 18:53

推 LedZeppelin:Deng那麼弱魔術就別拿惹應該要Rose + Noah 07/14 18:55

→ opopoppj:Deng幾歲 Carter幾歲 Carter是還能打多久阿? 07/14 19:04

推 clkdtm32:VC有這麼糟糕嗎...而且他明年是到期約管他打多久... 07/14 19:14

推 opopoppj:Carter今年退化得蠻明顯的@@ 07/14 19:23

→ opopoppj:如果是打算清薪資的話那還可以不過清完後找誰頂先發SF? 07/14 19:25

→ opopoppj:確定搶得到Melo 這樣會不會有點冒險@@ 07/14 19:25

→ opopoppj:而且Demg除了外線出手少以外年輕有防守態度也不差 07/14 19:27

→ opopoppj:除了約大了點久了點真的是個好球員 07/14 19:27

推 BlueSky7091:Rawallace是活在過去吧?請你看看數據~~Deng又年輕 07/14 19:35

→ BlueSky7091:論傷病史 Carter 過去也不恍多讓，01~03缺席多少場 07/14 19:36

→ BlueSky7091:過去carter比Deng好，但現在又老、又矮，防守又跟不上 07/14 19:37

→ BlueSky7091:很好奇你為何說他現在會比Deng好 07/14 19:37

推 voglish:到期約是要明年搶Melo？但是不可否認Deng這張約有點難橋 07/14 19:39

推 LedZeppelin:哪有啥難橋你看Gay都可以領比他多..... 07/14 19:40

→ LedZeppelin:如果這市場繼續下去Deng這價錢很實惠阿 07/14 19:41

推 LedZeppelin:順帶補充一下, 就算要空出薪資, 明年Noah就要變成RFA 07/14 19:45

→ LedZeppelin:根本沒力去競爭啥Melo 07/14 19:45

推 BlueSky7091:且V.C主打SG，換了以後，SF又是個洞，明年V.C走SG又一 07/14 19:50

→ BlueSky7091:個洞，能不能搶到Antony還是個大問號 07/14 19:51

→ BlueSky7091: Anthony 07/14 19:52

→ Rawallace:要看數據的話 MJ都比不贏LBJ 07/14 20:01

推 pro:是這樣嗎？如果比得分數據沒人贏得過MJ LBW算哪個咖啊 07/14 20:03

推 LedZeppelin:LBJ哪一年有32分8籃板8助攻3抄截1火鍋....? 07/14 20:04

推 BlueSky7091:Rawallace你的比喻真的讓人不知所云，唉.... 07/14 20:05

→ BlueSky7091:如果這是你想放的大絕，你繼續活在過去無所謂 07/14 20:05

推 pro:Rawallace 不論看數據.年紀.潛力甚至合約都是Deng勝 Carter呢 07/14 20:06

→ BlueSky7091:V.C不差，過去很好，但現在你要活在過去，你家的事 07/14 20:07

→ Rawallace:有看過CARTER今年的比賽嗎? 又老又矮?? 07/14 20:07

→ pro:不要憑感覺去說話拿出證據來說服我們啊 07/14 20:07

→ BlueSky7091:但別丟一句V.C在怎麼爛也比Deng強就想亂凹 07/14 20:08

→ pro:CARTER比賽當然有看過曾經一整個月命中率超低得分更不用講 07/14 20:08

→ Rawallace:有看過的是一整個月的比賽數據吧... 07/14 20:09

→ pro:V.C是不矮啦在SG位置剛好但的確也沒多年輕了公牛是未來球隊 07/14 20:09

→ Rawallace:沒看過比賽內容也不清楚魔術的打法這樣也能說VC差 07/14 20:10

→ pro:沒必要收下這種球員跟建隊根本相違背要經驗有比他更好的 07/14 20:10

推 BlueSky7091:V.C比Deng高，比Deng年輕嗎?我說事實，還是你又睜眼 07/14 20:11

→ pro:我只是舉例子給你看整季也沒多好 15.5分？季後賽更鳥 07/14 20:12

→ BlueSky7091:說瞎話?講事實礙到你的偶像真不好意思哦 07/14 20:12

→ pro:Rawallace 我們是評論事實既然V.C這麼好你們自己收著就好 07/14 20:13

→ BlueSky7091:抱歉!是你來公牛板丟一句V.C在怎麼弱也比Deng強討戰 07/14 20:13

→ pro:沒必要來公牛這裡推銷不送了請按左鍵出去 07/14 20:14

→ Rawallace:那DENG那麼好就永遠把它留在公牛好了順便給他延長合約 07/14 20:14

→ Rawallace:誰來推銷阿無聊 07/14 20:14

→ pro:就你啊來這邊討戰不是推銷是什麼 07/14 20:15

推 Rawallace:原來在公牛版不能說VC比DENG強是這樣嗎? 07/14 20:17

推 BlueSky7091:回你!V.C那麼強那你請魔術以高薪續簽他啊 07/14 20:18

→ BlueSky7091:沒人說不行!而是你講得是否符合現狀?V.C現在比Deng強? 07/14 20:19

→ BlueSky7091:我想大部分人不會苟同，三年前或許如此，但現在不是了 07/14 20:20

→ Rawallace:真是奇怪妳能覺得DNEG比較強我就不能覺得VC比較強 07/14 20:20

推 pro:是你先來這邊嗆一句的 VC再弱都比DENG強的討論歡迎嗆聲請閃 07/14 20:20

→ BlueSky7091:但你不認清事實，又丟一句"V.C在怎麼弱也比Deng強" 07/14 20:20

→ Rawallace:你們兩個比較嗆吧.. 07/14 20:21

→ BlueSky7091:不是討戰是什麼?白目嘛，又講不出說服人的論點 07/14 20:21

→ pro:基本上我覺得兩人實力差不多但是論價值DENG不會比VC差 07/14 20:22

→ BlueSky7091:莫名其妙!我說大歐現在在怎麼爛都比魔獸強?你相信嗎 07/14 20:22

→ pro:只是你嗆聲的說法讓人看了就感覺很差還硬要凹 07/14 20:22

→ BlueSky7091:前文大家都在說交易對雙方的價值!沒人說誰弱怎樣.. 07/14 20:23

→ BlueSky7091:是你先丟一句大絕...真的搞不清楚狀況 07/14 20:23

→ pro:搞清楚喔是你先嗆聲討戰不要打人喊救人硬要黑說成白 07/14 20:24

→ Rawallace:對只有妳最清楚狀況這樣行了吧 07/14 20:24

→ Rawallace:多去看幾場VC的比賽吧... 07/14 20:25

推 Pierce34:Deng的約到14年，應該還不用延長合約 07/14 20:25

→ BlueSky7091:呵，小孩式的回答!不然請你說出V.C現在到底比Deng強 07/14 20:25

→ BlueSky7091:很多到底強在哪?說啊?說的有理我欣然接受 07/14 20:26

→ pro:是這樣沒錯啊明明大家在討論你偏偏亂入 07/14 20:26

→ pro:那也請你多看幾場Deng的比賽要吠再來這邊吠 07/14 20:26

→ BlueSky7091:基本上他的思維邏輯比較特別，放大絕後還怪別人，真屌 07/14 20:27

→ Rawallace:這裡有兩隻那麼會吠的還輪不到我來吠 07/14 20:28

→ pro:BlueSky7091 我幫他回答合約年紀傷病史都比Deng強 07/14 20:28

推 BlueSky7091:吠?我想你的可以滾回你的狗窩繼續回憶以前的V.C多強 07/14 20:29

→ Rawallace:還要繼續吠嗎? 07/14 20:30

推 pro:趕快坐時光機回到過去吧留在過去時代的古人這不歡迎你 07/14 20:31

推 LedZeppelin:早就說了Carter那麼強 Deng哪換的起 07/14 20:31

→ Rawallace:我等著看你倆還能吠出什麼東西來 07/14 20:32

推 BlueSky7091:說不出道裡來只會硬凹嗆聲的，我輸給你囉，你厲害 07/14 20:32

推 aagun:某蛙是退休後沒事閒釣魚嗎科 07/14 20:32

→ Rawallace:誰在硬凹阿又沒說一定要換只是希望看到能換成功罷了 07/14 20:33

→ aagun:Carter起碼要換個Kobe或Wade吧~Deng哪夠看啊 (開心了吧 ^_<) 07/14 20:33

推 pro:回去把推文看清楚你先嗆一句然後一連串硬凹像是討論嗎 07/14 20:34

→ aagun:Q:誰在硬凹 A:Rawa***** 07/14 20:35

→ pro:如果你一開始把你的論點說出來互換的好處很歡迎啊但就不是 07/14 20:35

推 BlueSky7091:哈，他爽就好了!口氣先不好還怪人，又解釋不出什麼 07/14 20:36

推 Beatles:天氣熱真的大家火氣都很大不過個人覺得Carter還是算了 07/14 20:42

推 Pierce34:公牛現在不用一直想著要去抓誰吧，今年還被耍的不夠嗎 07/14 20:52

推 voglish:乳摸還是聽聽就好，當時的小AI也嚇到很多人 07/14 20:53

→ Pierce34:從現有核心再去填補缺陷的地方就好，未來性真的很夠 07/14 20:53

→ voglish:更正，小AI不是乳摸是國外的幻想文 07/14 20:53

→ Pierce34:我指的是要清空間抓明年的Melo，要是他延長合約呢＝.＝ 07/14 20:54

推 LedZeppelin:這篇也是幻想文阿 07/14 20:54

→ pro:同樣是幻想文這提議就糟糕多了現在還有一篇Granger的幻想文 07/14 21:11

推 MarcusWright:某R實在夠白目 Deng雖說不上多強但要贏過現在的VC是 07/14 21:30

→ MarcusWright:綽綽有餘 07/14 21:30

推 duke7814:現在的公牛又不太需要到期約補齊陣容就衝冠軍了還到期約 07/14 21:35

推 MCdoggy:= =有點擔心... 07/16 00:21

→ sneak: 但別丟一句V.C在怎麼 https://noxiv.com 12/10 13:17

→ muxiv: 個洞，能不能搶到Ant https://moxox.com 04/19 03:13

→ muxiv: 順帶補充一下, 就算要 http://yaxiv.com 04/19 03:14