作者bluesky3330 (穿白襪的小熊與公牛)
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標題Re: [外電] 公牛跟Rose需要幫助
時間Sat May 28 11:52:38 2011
※ 引述《eertllams (Tree666)》之銘言：
: http://tinyurl.com/3dj3a6x
: By Darrell Horwitz
: Derrick Rose and the Chicago Bulls Need Help: Hello, Dwight Howard
玫瑰和公牛需要幫助，哈囉~~~~Howard
: Now that a fairy tale season has come to a crashing end for the Chicago
: Bulls, it's time to look back at what just happened, and what needs to happen
: in the future for them to overcome a foe that will be a thorn in their side
: for many years to come unless they take drastic measures.
這下子公牛童話故事般的球季來到了一個崩潰性的結局，是時候來看看到底發生了甚麼事
以及有甚麼是必須被改變以克服這除非採取重大行動否則在將來幾年都會有如芒刺在背的
敵人了。
: The Bulls exceeded everyone's expectations this year, winning 62 games and
: getting to the conference finals. Before the season, achieving what they did
: would have fans elated.
公牛今年的表現超出了所有人的預期，拿下62勝並打入分區冠軍戰。在這一季開始之前，
如果說能夠達到這樣的成果將會讓所有的球迷感到興奮。
: Coming together sooner than expected turned an overachieving season into a
: disappointment.
然而，超出預期速度的整合卻讓這個本來是達到高標的球季成了令人失望的一季。
: You can look at the Miami series and say the Bulls are really close, or you
: can say this was their best chance to win, and things look grim in the future.
: Chicago could easily have won Game 2, and Games 4 and 5 were there for the
: taking, but the Bulls didn't have the talent to take it.
你可以在看完這個系列賽後說公牛其實很接近了，或者你也可以說這是他們機會最好的一
次，而往後一切看起來只會更困難。芝加哥在第二戰是可以很容易地獲勝的，而第四與第
五戰也只差一步，但是公牛就是沒有足夠的天分拿下。
: Perhaps things wouldn't look so dire now if they had beaten the Heat and went
: to the NBA finals, but that didn't happen, and reality is now setting in.
: The Bulls are not that close to winning a championship.
假使公牛有打敗熱火並進入總冠軍戰的話，也許事情不會看起來這麼悲慘，但是他們沒有
，而現實卻開始降臨。
公牛距離總冠軍其實沒有那麼近。
: Nobody knows what is going to happen after the season with the collective
: bargaining agreement, but Miami's key players are still young, and they are
: going to add on.
: Just getting Udonis Haslem back made them much better, along with Mike Miller
: finally playing the way they were hoping he would in the fourth quarter of
: Game 4.
: It's going to be scary for the Bulls in the future, because they are so
: close, and yet so far.
沒有人知道在勞資談判結束後一切會變得怎樣，但是邁阿密的主要球員們都還年輕，而且
他們還會繼續增加。光是小哈回來就讓熱火變得更好了，再加上麥米終於在第四場的第四
節打出了熱火期望的樣子。
這對公牛的將來來說真的很可怕，因為他們是如此地接近了，但卻又這麼地遠。
: They will be competing with the Heat for the next several years in the
: Eastern Conference, but only one can win
: (sorry, New York Knicks fans, but your team will not be in the mix)
: Just getting there will not be enough from now on. The Bulls will have to
: beat the Heat, and the only way they are going to do that is by busting out
: of their conservative mode and making a game-changing trade.
: The Bulls need Superman to come to Chicago to save Derrick Rose and quash the
: Heat's possible dynasty.
公牛在接下來的幾年可能都會在東區冠軍戰與熱火競爭(這裡作者還跟尼克迷抱歉XD)，光
是打到分區冠軍並不夠，公牛必須要擊敗熱火，要達到這個目標，唯一的辦法就是從現在
保守的打法中有所突破，做出能改變比賽方式的交易。公牛需要超人降臨芝加哥來拯救玫
瑰以及粉碎熱火可能的王朝。
: Dwight Howard has one year left on his contract with Orlando and is not
: likely to stick around once it's up. Orlando is going to have to trade him if
: they want to get something in return, and the Bulls can offer the best
: package.
DH跟奧蘭多還剩一年的合約，走完後他不像是會留在那裡。奧蘭多必須在還能利用他換回
一些東西的時候交易他，而公牛能提供最好的包裹。
: Everyone thinks he will go to the Lakers, with possibly Andrew Bynum and some
: other combination coming back to Orlando. The thought is he wants to play
: there, and that Orlando doesn't want to trade him in the conference.
: But why would he want to go to the Lakers? And wouldn't Orlando want to get
: the best return they can for him?
: Every decade or so, another great center gets traded to the Lakers, starting
: with Wilt Chamberlain, then Kareem, Shaq and Pau Gasol (okay, he's not great,
: but he's damn good).
: Does Howard want to go there and be their next great center or become the
: best center in Bull's history as he helps lead them to their next phase of
: championships?
每個人都認為他會去湖人，為奧蘭多換回拜能以及其他可能的球員。
這種想法的依據源自於他可能會想在那裡打球，以及奧蘭多不想把他交易到同區的球隊。
但是他為什麼會想要去LA呢？而奧蘭多難道不想拿到最大的回報嗎？
每個十年左右，湖人總是會交易到偉大的中鋒，從張伯倫、賈霸、Shaq以及Gasol(好吧，
Gasol也許不偉大，但他真他X的強。)
Howard想要去那裡成為這些偉大中鋒之一，或者，要來芝加哥當公牛歷史上最強的中鋒來
幫助將公牛領導到能拿下冠軍的下一個層級呢？
: Playing with Kobe and the glamor of Hollywood is attractive, but Kobe's shelf
: life is short. The cost of talent it would take to get him would deplete
: their team and leave him in the same position as he currently is in Orlando.
: Atlanta surprised the Magic in the first round as they let Howard go off and
: stopped the rest of the team. He couldn't win it by himself, and neither can
: Rose.
和Kobe一起打球以及好萊屋的魅力的確是很吸引人，但是Kobe的保固期很短了。要讓DH去
湖人所需付出的代價會讓這支球隊用盡這支隊伍的一切，然後DH將會落入跟現在在奧蘭多
差不多的情況裡。亞特蘭大在第一輪讓魔術隊嚇傻了，他們讓DH一個人為所欲為但是卻封
鎖了隊上的其他人。DH不能靠自己拿下勝利，而Rose也是一樣。
: While the Bulls have more talent than Orlando, they are missing that other
: dominant player they need to compete with Miami.
: The Bulls have the most attractive group of players and draft picks to send
: back to Orlando.
: With a choice of Joakim Noah, Omer Asik, Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer and Taj
: Gibson, along with three first round draft picks, the Bulls have the tools to
: get it done.
雖然公牛看起來有比奧蘭多更多更好的天分，但是他們卻少了那能夠與邁阿密抗衡的宰制
性球員。
公牛擁有最吸引人的球員群以及選秀權來跟奧蘭多進行交易。其中包含了Noah、Asik、
Deng、Boozer以及Taj Gibson，還有三枚首輪選秀權，公牛隊有足夠的工具來完成這筆交
易。
: There is enough there to make the numbers work, and I'm sure Noah would look
: attractive to Orlando, having played in Florida and winning two championships
: with the Gators.
讓薪資平衡的工具是夠的，而且我確定Noah對奧蘭多來說一定會很誘人，畢竟他在佛州打
過球並且帶領Gators拿了兩個冠軍。
: The Bulls also need to add a shooting guard they can count on, with Ray Allen
: at the top of the list. He has a player option with Boston, and could want
: out knowing that the Celtics run is over.
: He's the player the Bulls should have pursued last year when he was a
: free-agent, because if they did sign him, the Bulls would be preparing for
: the NBA finals now.
: O.J. Mayo and Arron Afflalo are other possibilities that you might be able to
: work something out with.
公牛也必須要增加一個可以仰賴的SG，在名單首位的是Ray-Gun，他跟Boston的合約有球
員選擇權，而且可能會因為看到了Celtics的末路而想要跳出，他是公牛去年應該追逐的
自由球員，如果當初有簽下他，也許現在公牛就在準備總冠軍戰了。
O.J.Mayo以及Afflalo是其他可以讓一切有所改變的可能選擇。
: I think any one of the three could have helped the Bulls get past Miami this
: year, but next year and what follows are another story, and that's why Howard
: should be the main target.
我想上述三人之一都可能可以幫助公牛隊超越今年的熱火隊，但是明年以及往後的日子則
是另外一個故事了，而這正是為什麼DH應該成為主要的目標。
: Rose and Howard are good friends, and would be a perfect fit for the
: inside/outside game coach Tom Thibodeau likes to play. You couldn't double
: them, because the other one would kill you if you did.
: Kryptonite may be Superman's weakness, but putting Howard together with Rose
: would be kryptonite for Miami, and finally wipe those smug smiles off their
: faces.
Rose和Howard是好朋友，而且會是打老席喜愛的inside/outside比賽模式的最佳組合。
你不能包夾他們任何一個，因為一旦你這麼做，另外一個將會殺死你。(按：我愛這一句)
克理普頓石*可能是超人的弱點，但是把Howard跟Rose放在一起則會成為邁阿密的克里普頓
石，並且終將讓他們臉上那沾沾自喜的笑容消失。
*Kryptonite=克理普頓石
超人梗，詳見
http://0rz.tw/tHaoD
作者應該是反火無誤，交易DH是個美夢，主要的問題也就像裡面說的，奧蘭多會願意把DH
交易到東區來自虐嗎？Ray-Gun的部分有點嘴砲，就算公牛出價人家也不一定想來，在C's
待得好好的。
總之這篇的重點就是公牛的薪資跟選秀權甚至隊形對於交易來DH是很有機會的，不得不說
這就體現出總管對於薪資結構的打造真得是很不錯。
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Every rose has its thorn
Just like every night has its dawn
Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song
Every rose has its thorn
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※ 編輯: bluesky3330 來自: 115.82.6.247 (05/28 12:02)
推 tealee:感覺很多隊都需要DH~~XDDD 05/28 13:59
推 rosebulls:推 05/28 14:07
推 rosebulls:想看boo DH同一隊 愛迪達兩大球星Rose+DH都在公牛 05/28 14:41
→ rosebulls:對抗nike的熱火LD 這樣應該也滿有話題性 如果DH來公牛 05/28 14:42
→ rosebulls:至少罰球數會多一點 不要跟G5一樣主場罰球還比對方手 05/28 14:43
→ rosebulls:至少公牛罰球數會多點 不要跟G5一樣主場罰球還比對方少 05/28 14:44
推 ak0209:內文說奧蘭多難道不想拿到最大的回報... 05/28 15:29
→ ak0209:公牛籌碼要怎麼出的湖人多 湖人能出年輕核心球員Bynum 05/28 15:31
→ ak0209:還有能力多出一個頂級配菜Odom 05/28 15:32
→ opopoppj:湖人不是早說Bynum不會動了 05/28 15:36
→ opopoppj:如果能換到DH Noah+Asik+Taj+選秀權都可以 05/28 15:37
→ opopoppj:反正說真的魔術就算保住DH 這成績還是會繼續不上不下 05/28 15:37
→ opopoppj:到不如跟公牛狠下心來交易 痛個三四年等肥約跑完 05/28 15:38
→ ak0209:票 Noah+Asik+Taj都是沒有條件當重建核心 05/28 15:46
推 a90b201:魔術換BYNuM過去不就跟原本一樣 還變弱不少 05/28 15:47
推 v00001:要交易也不太會給公牛吧，而且公牛有吸引力的大概只有Rose 05/28 15:47
推 opopoppj:不然就是要照之前魔術版友說的 要幫忙吃大約 05/28 16:00
→ opopoppj:但現在頂多能幫忙吃掉火槍的約了 其他太難了 05/28 16:00
推 v00001:基本上要交易到魔獸，一定得要幫忙吃掉水槍或是探員的約。 05/28 16:19
→ v00001:對現在一線球隊來說其實都是滿大的負擔。 05/28 16:21
→ v00001:我倒是不覺得公牛有必要這麼急著要去換魔獸回來。 05/28 16:22
推 Czero:個人認為noah+Taj不能放，boozer倒是可以配套換 05/28 16:28
推 pro:想看到愛迪達雙星合體 用Noah+Boozer為主搭配其他球員跟選秀權 05/28 16:33
→ pro:針對熱火最弱的PG 跟 C去打他們 應該很有機會扯下3王 05/28 16:34
→ pro:把Boo交易 將Taj扶正 這樣禁區防守超強 魔獸加Taj 各隊惡夢 05/28 16:36
推 rosebulls:Taj是不錯 可是比不上阿爵的boozer 05/28 17:27
→ rosebulls:DH跟玫瑰似乎沒太多交情?如果要換到DH 可能要動用boo的 05/28 17:28
→ rosebulls:友情牌 而且DH+Boo的禁區威力應該比DH+Taj可怕 05/28 17:29
→ rosebulls:Taj如果打先發PF 未來要面對阿罵 Bosh等頂級PF 他的靈活 05/28 17:30
→ rosebulls:優勢可能不在 我是希望Rose+Boo都能留下這樣交易才有用 05/28 17:31
→ rosebulls:一旦DH約到前交易 公牛一定要丟一堆主力的 可以參考尼克 05/28 17:33
→ rosebulls:除非能像當初超賽換KG RA一樣 隊上還能保留不錯的球員 05/28 17:34
→ rosebulls:不然最好跟DH先談好 等他約到再挖人 這樣損失會降到最低 05/28 17:36
推 rbking21:兩邊都在希望Boo+DH就知道這組合多迷人XDDD 05/28 18:59
推 rosebulls:boo+DH這組合 要發生的話 希望在公牛發生 不要在魔術 05/28 20:00
推 monmo:結果變成DH+Lopez就囧了....... 05/28 22:18
→ miula:要交易到 DH, 大概非得用到 Noah + Deng + 一兩個選秀權 05/28 23:22
→ miula:差不多是 DH + Hedo 換 Noah + Deng + 首輪選秀權 05/28 23:22
→ miula:小於以上這個案子的，魔術根本不會同意 05/28 23:22
推 opopoppj:其實樓上這個交易 公牛是可以接受的 魔術不見得答應@@ 05/28 23:30
→ bluesky3330:hedo外線跟傳導似乎還好一點，但防守就...... 05/28 23:31
→ bluesky3330:基於情感面我不希望Deng走啊~~~~~ 05/28 23:31
推 opopoppj:能換到聯盟第一中鋒 這種犧牲算很小了... 05/28 23:32
推 BlueSatan:如果Deng+Noah換出去了,公牛真的會變更好?尤其是Deng 05/28 23:34
→ BlueSatan:沒有Deng,LBJ的數據會是難以想像的恐怖,DH內線犯規麻煩 05/28 23:34
→ BlueSatan:我覺得Deng才是熱火最怕的角色,從以前就一直如此... 05/28 23:35
推 tung771007:光魔獸+Boozer就夠嗆了 熱火禁區根本擋不住 05/28 23:38
推 opopoppj:能用Deng+Noah換DH 已經超級划算的 05/28 23:41
→ bluesky3330:說真的要換是合理的，一隻LBJ應該還無法抵消Boo+DH 05/28 23:45
→ bluesky3330:況且還有二號位可以加強.... 05/28 23:45
推 rbking21:Hedo的外線和傳導害我在總板被水桶.... 05/28 23:59
→ bluesky3330:???? 05/29 00:01
推 rbking21:噢 我是ROSE人迷可是是魔術隊迷....Hedo表現害我罵髒話 05/29 00:04
→ rbking21:結果就被水桶一個月 囧 05/29 00:04
→ bluesky3330:XDDDDDD愛之深責之切嗎?哈哈哈哈 05/29 00:14
推 opopoppj:應該是對Otis的強烈不滿吧 球隊被惡搞成這樣 05/29 00:14
推 rbking21:哈 這種愛可能一般人承受不了XD 05/29 00:48
→ killuaz:好像大部分的板胞都偏向留boo 總覺得boo真的有這麼強嗎？ 05/29 09:53
→ killuaz:Noah跟Deng換出去 公牛就整個變慢 就不是好看的公牛球風了 05/29 09:56
→ killuaz:而且比boo年輕 成長的空間還很大 boo還有能否適應的問題 05/29 09:58
→ killuaz:boo身價高 但打不出身價該有的 用他交易比較能達最大效益 05/29 10:01
推 MoonSkyFish:Hedo的外線和傳導... 這一定有什麼誤會... 05/29 11:57
推 opopoppj:Hedo過來也不一定打先發阿XD 我傾向拉Brewer上 05/29 12:00
→ opopoppj:搭配之後補來的新SG應該沒問題 05/29 12:00
推 rosebulls:總管應該不會為了換DH 吃探員的肥約 05/29 12:04
→ rosebulls:如果是火槍還有可能 不過真的交易 公牛可能會被魔術搶不 05/29 12:05
→ rosebulls:少年輕便宜好球員 Gibson Asik 2個應都會被換走 05/29 12:07
→ rosebulls:如果BoozerNoah也丟掉 這交易公牛其實沒賺 戰力可能減弱 05/29 12:08
推 opopoppj:因該是會保 Taj 或Boo其中一人換DH 05/29 12:13
推 aagun:我是覺得討論拿誰換都太早一點了吧..= = 05/29 12:34
→ bluesky3330:放假了大家只好做做幻想，要是實現了就HIGH了XD 05/29 12:38
推 opopoppj:我現在比較好奇選秀到底會選誰 David Lighty還不錯 05/29 12:39
→ opopoppj:最少也會是暴發力好一點 外線準很多的Bogans 05/29 12:40
推 AhUtopian:這篇沒考慮到球員的發展性 05/29 13:01