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標題Fw: [外絮] (公牛)缺乏禁區厚度將造成問題
時間Thu Oct 24 00:22:57 2013
※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1IPzVlea ]
作者: idiotsmart (不吃蕃茄) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] (公牛)缺乏禁區厚度將造成問題
時間: Wed Oct 23 22:06:34 2013
Lack of big-man depth will be problem
（公牛）缺乏禁區厚度將造成問題
CHICAGO -- No matter how solid Tony Snell becomes over his career, his
presence on this year's Chicago Bulls roster will be a constant reminder
of a fact that will hover over this team throughout the season. Assuming
there are no major adjustments to the roster, the Bulls are lacking
depth down low.
芝加哥報導－無論Tony Snell在籃球生涯中成為多實在的球員，在整個球季中他
的存在都將提醒著芝加哥公牛隊一個事實
。這個事實即是「假設公牛隊陣容沒有
大幅度變動，那球隊將缺乏禁區厚度。」
Instead of taking a big man in the NBA draft last summer, the Bulls
opted to go with Snell, a promising athletic wing who has the ability to
knock down long-range shots. They re-signed 36-year-old Nazr Mohammed
and hoped that Joakim Noah would escape the plantar fasciitis problems
that have plagued him for years.
上個夏天的NBA選秀會，公牛隊選擇Snell這位擁有外線能力且大有可為的側翼球
員，而不是選擇禁區長人。公牛隊簽回36歲的Nazr Mohammed並盼望Joakim Noah
能擺脫困擾他多年的足底筋膜炎。
After watching Roy Hibbert and the Indiana Pacers repeatedly pound the
Bulls down low on Friday night while Noah sat on the bench in street
clothes with a groin injury, it seems like a good time to revisit
whether not taking a big man in the draft was the right strategy for a
team that hopes to contend for a title this season. When asked what the
Bulls have to do to combat a size differential without Noah, Bulls head
coach Tom Thibodeau offered up a simple solution.
在看到公牛隊上周五因為Noah帶著鼠蹊傷病只能在板凳上看隊友表演，而被溜馬
隊的Roy Hibbert肆虐禁區後，似乎是時候重新審視對支想要在這季競爭總冠軍的
球隊，但沒有在選秀會上選禁區球員這個策略是否正確。當問到公牛隊在少了
Noah時該做什麼以抗衡身材劣勢，公牛總教練Tom Thibodeau提出一個簡單的解決
方法。
"Fight," he said. "The thing is (when) the ball was in the air you go to
it. If you allow them to hit you first you're reacting to them. When the
ball's in the air you got to go after it, you got to fight and we got to
do it as a team. That's the way we rebound. Every aspect of what we do
is five men working together. Hibbert's got size -- we expect the guards
to come back in and fight to help. So we need everybody."
「拼勁！」他表示。「事情是這樣子的，當球在空中時你需要去拼搶它。如果你讓
對手搶佔先機那你就只能被動應對。當球在空中你必須追著它、你要拼搶而且整支
球隊都要出一份力。這就是我們搶籃板的方法。我們不管在哪方面都是五人一起合
作。Hibbert有身材優勢，我們預期後衛們都跑到禁區並幫忙拼搶。所以我們需要
每個人的力量。」
Thibodeau's attitude is well-meaning but Friday's game offered up a
reminder that the Bulls are thin in a place where it's good to be big.
Mohammed barely played through the first few months of last season and
shouldn't be counted on to play 15-20 minutes night after night. Taj
Gibson bulked up over the summer, adding 15 pounds, but at 6-9 he is
still undersized against many centers in the league. Thibodeau noted
recently that he could play Luol Deng, Jimmy Butler or even Mike
Dunleavy, Jr. sometimes at the four if needed, but having one of those
guys down on the blocks isn't a scenario that any Bulls fan wants to
envision.
Thibodeau的態度立意良善，但星期五的比賽提示著公牛隊在該要厚實的地方卻略
顯單薄。
Mohammed上季的前幾個月幾乎沒有上場，並且不應該依靠他每晚都頂上15
到20分鐘。Taj Gibson在夏天增重了15磅，但6呎9的身高在聯盟中多數中鋒裡身高
依然小一號。Thibodeau在近期提到他可以在某些必要時刻把Luol Deng、Jimmy
Butler或甚至Mike Dunleavy二世擺到大前鋒，但把這些人放到禁區並非任何公牛
球迷期望看到的場景。
The reality of the situation is that the Bulls bet on the health of Noah
this year and that is a bet that hasn't paid off in recent times. Over
the last three years Noah has missed 52 games and he has played in just
one game this preseason. His teammates miss him for a variety of reasons,
but Dunleavy acknowledged the one area where the Bulls probably miss him
the most.
事實上，公牛隊賭今年的Noah會健康，而這個賭注在近年內都沒行的通。在近三年
，Noah少出賽52場比賽而且這個熱身賽他只上一場。他的隊友有各種想念他的理由
，但Dunleavy理解公牛隊最想念的他一個原因。
"Besides everything that Jo brings, a little bit of that depth too,"
Dunleavy said. "He's just such a force in there, both ends of the court,
he's such a unique player. He protects the rim for us and rebounds, he
also makes a lot of plays of the offensive end so we miss (him) a ton.
We hope he gets back soon but you got to let the process play itself out."
「除了一切Jo（Noah）給予球隊的外，也提供了一些厚度。」Dunleavy表示。「他
在禁區就是充滿威力，無論進攻和防守都是，他真的是個獨特的球員。他為我們保
護禁區和搶籃板，也在進攻端貢獻無數，所以我們真的很想念他。我們希望他能盡
快回到場上，但真的要讓復原順其自然。」
Dunleavy joked that he could handle himself down on the blocks as long as
he wasn't faced up against Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard, but his
words offered another reminder that while the Bulls may not see Howard
more than a couple times this year, they figure to see plenty of Hibbert,
Brooklyn Nets center Brook Lopez and Miami Heat center Greg Oden -- if
the latter can find a way to stay healthy.
Dunleavy開玩笑的說只要不是面對火箭隊中鋒Dwight Howard他都可以應付禁區，
但他的話語中也提示著公牛隊雖然可能不會在這個球季中碰到Howard兩次以上，
但
他們要碰到不少次Hibbert、布魯克林籃網隊的中鋒Brook Lopez和邁阿密熱火隊的
中鋒Greg Oden，假設後者能保持健康的話。
Those are the teams the Bulls will be competing against all season for
the top spot in the Eastern Conference and those are the guys, especially
the first two, who have the ability to give the Bulls a lot of trouble.
Thibodeau also noted recently that Noah's health problems may force the
Bulls to change how they fill the last roster spot. But for fans
clamoring for the Bulls to keep Dexter Pittman, remember that Pittman has
played in just 48 games over three NBA seasons averaging a grand total
2.4 points and 1.8 rebounds a game.
這些球隊便是公牛隊這整季將要角逐東區第一的對手，而那些禁區球員，尤其是前
兩位有能力對公牛隊造成不少困擾。Thibodeau最近也提到Noah的健康問題可能迫
使公牛隊改變陣容名單最後一個位置的選擇。但那些吵著要留下Dexter Pittman的
公牛迷們可別忘了Pittman這三年NBA生涯只出賽48場並總共只有場均2.4分和1.8籃
板。
"We've got enough to win," Thibodeau said Sunday, uttering a familiar
mantra. "The next guy has to get up. (Noah) missed a lot last year -- the
team still has to function and we have to function well. Whoever we have,
they got to get the job done."
「我們陣容足夠贏球了。」Thibodeau在禮拜天講述著似曾相似的真言。「下一位
球員必須頂住。（Noah）去年少出賽很多場比賽，但球隊仍必須運作而且球隊要成
功的運轉。不管球員是誰，他們都要把該做的做好。」
Without Noah, that will be a tough job for any Bull to handle. Thibodeau
and the front office better hope the oft-injured center can find a way
to stay on the floor. If not, the lack of depth down low will be will
continue to be a sore spot for a front office that had a chance to
address a need over the summer in the draft and decided against it.
沒有Noah，球隊將有著任何公牛球員都難以對付的棘手任務。
Thibodeau和制服組
最好希望這位痛痛中鋒能想辦法待在場上。若沒辦法，缺乏禁區厚度的問題將持續
是制服組的痛腳。而這問題在夏天的選秀時他們有機會解決但決定不去碰它。
原文網址－
http://tinyurl.com/kfwaa49
心得：
比起公牛禁區，熱火禁區應該更薄更矮吧！
而且Oden根本不期不待
回到本文
老席說到讓滷蛋跟Butler守四4號？!
一大四小時當然可以啦
但扛傳統大前鋒應該不是個好策略吧...
不怕這兩個鐵人又倒下去嗎...
或許老席該好好思考他的策略是否帶給球員過多身體負擔
總不能回來一個Rose，卻倒一個Noah
Noah傷癒復出，又傷一個Deng吧
比起公牛隊的禁區厚度
我認為更該擔心的是他們滿身傷的身體能否一直被硬操吧
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推 opsddb : 10/23 22:07
推 grandavenue :Jimmy Butler防守超黏 10/23 22:14
推 erotica :找個隆利等級的就夠了 10/23 22:14
推 ghghfftjack :本來有Asik的 自己丟出去 10/23 22:16
→ coffee777 :其實隆利和威靈頓~在身材上都是大中鋒型的了... 10/23 22:17
推 QKei :對阿 把阿西交易回來吧 雙贏 10/23 22:17
→ aodn :當年被酸酸罵喜憨的隆利,放在現今應該也能拿個千萬 10/23 22:18
推 kungen :重點在於沒有NOAH BOO+另外一個高度明顯不如溜馬 10/23 22:19
推 dcoog7880 :翻譯 缺少肌肉 10/23 22:19
推 als60907 :公牛的薪資應該緊到不行吧 好的中鋒又都貴鬆鬆 10/23 22:19
→ jtch :公牛之前真的是過太爽 好的禁區球員一堆 10/23 22:19
→ erotica :那是以前啊 對手等級是木桶伯荷蘭史密痴歐肥 10/23 22:20
→ erotica :看到現今這些對手 根本頗呵 10/23 22:20
→ aodn :肉墊型的球員以前其實很多,尤其是那種白人大白豬 10/23 22:20
→ idiotsmart :肉盾型大白柱拿到現在會被速度玩到死 10/23 22:21
→ aodn :現今籃球講球速度,90'S那種禁區堆人牆的防守法不夯了 10/23 22:21
推 micbrimac :也沒很缺吧，不是還有Gibson 10/23 22:24
推 sky01750 :其實阿西比隆利強，隆利巔峰年的數據比上季阿西差 10/23 22:24
→ sky01750 :雖然阿西常常奶油，但是從數據來看，他還滿強的... 10/23 22:24
推 AhUtopian :Asik又不是丟出去的 是火箭開了公牛不該跟的約 10/23 22:25
推 micbrimac :火箭看人很準，現在看覺得超值 10/23 22:25
→ idiotsmart :Asik的約公牛真的跟不得 現在Noah又傷C這位置沒人補 10/23 22:26
噓 timlaker :季後賽專門打暴力籃球 需要厚度嗎?? 10/23 22:27
推 langeo :公牛厚度普通 可是拚勁都很可怕 魯洨型內線 10/23 22:29
→ idiotsmart :我想講的就是公牛球員拼勁可怕 但傷病史也很可怕 10/23 22:30
→ idiotsmart :老席再讓這些球員拼下去身體不知道撐不撐得住 10/23 22:31
→ als60907 :拿身體換勝場 看看去年季後賽精采的焦土戰 10/23 22:31
推 skymay :推翻譯 10/23 22:38
推 LedZeppelin :為啥深度不足會翻成厚度不足阿 10/23 22:39
→ LedZeppelin :厚度不足感覺像是一堆瘦皮猴 10/23 22:39
這點我一開始也以為是說禁區球員深度不足
但是原文整個看完後
我認為這邊的depth講的應該是厚度
(depth本身也可以解釋成厚度)
推 hans0913 :公牛先發都被Thibodeau狠狠操過 10/23 22:40
※ 編輯: idiotsmart 來自: 124.218.28.122 (10/23 22:46)
推 a60310cool :tim 崩潰了嗎? 再多噓一點啦 還不夠~ 10/23 22:45
推 yoyoman0529 :Snell後面還可以選到該屆選秀會上不差的長人 10/23 22:47
推 giunrz :Boozer很硬阿 哪會不夠厚 10/23 22:47
推 LedZeppelin :就算有Noah厚度還是不足阿..(Noah也是偏瘦型的) 10/23 22:48
→ yoyoman0529 :單純覺得老席太信任他的他先發群了 操操樂 10/23 22:48
→ LedZeppelin :所以我覺得應該是說深度不足比較恰當些 10/23 22:48
但是若解釋成深度
感覺沒有特別需要強調少了Noah的能力不能和Hibbert和Lopez對抗
而且文內又特別說Gibson是undersize和Dunleazy那段話強調的點是Noah的禁區對抗能力
所以我這樣解讀
關於這個我也思考很久
推 HAKIM :...........公牛禁區厚度不夠，那聯盟還有哪知夠的? 10/23 22:49
※ 編輯: idiotsmart 來自: 124.218.28.122 (10/23 22:53)
→ uini :應該沒問題啦，ROSE都回來了 10/23 22:54
→ kimigogo :結果BOOOOOOOOOOOOO去哪了 10/23 23:01
→ Tony12477 :熱火:厚度? 10/23 23:36
推 huhushin :指對戰禁區強度.厚度皆強的隊.noah休息時會較辛苦？ 10/23 23:39
推 ntusimmon :Deng快被操壞了 10/23 23:42
→ idiotsmart :我想作者想要說的是現在公牛禁區少了Noah對抗力不足 10/23 23:46
→ idiotsmart :而不是單純補強禁區深度可以解決 是沒有Noah沒C 10/23 23:46
推 shadowshaikh:熱火C:LBJ 10/23 23:47
→ cracKnel :我也覺得應該是翻譯成 禁區球員的深度 (人數不足 10/23 23:58
→ cracKnel :jo除了有身高之外 他身材厚實度在NBA真的算還好而已 10/23 23:59
→ cracKnel :另外他的身高一部分來自於多那一支沖天炮後變7呎長人 10/24 00:00
推 lampmouse :照內文來看原po翻沒錯 10/24 00:18
→ lampmouse :Besides everything 那句話提到的depth 解釋成深度很 10/24 00:18
→ lampmouse :不對勁 都是先發球員了跟輪替深度無關 所以同意原po 10/24 00:19
→ lampmouse :此外 通篇討論著重於禁區對抗能力 並非整個輪替 10/24 00:19
→ lampmouse :至於cracKnel的論點 無可否認的是Noah的健康因素是公 10/24 00:21
→ lampmouse :牛隊最重要的仰賴 而非與整個聯盟比較 10/24 00:22
→ lampmouse : ^^^^^^^^ 10/24 00:22
推 voglish :借囀加厚板 10/24 00:22
→ lampmouse : 身材厚度 10/24 00:22
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