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這篇寫得不錯,是從功能三一論的觀點(討論人與神的互動,不討論三位格之間的互動), 我找到了一個綜合了本體三一論(討論三位格之間的互動)與功能三一論的版本, 認為不只是一個本質會對應一個意志,一個位格也會對應一個意志,(你應該不同意) 三個位格總共有三個獨立的意志,被協調表現為一位上帝一個本質的一個意志。 我再去查查看這兩種說法的歷史來源,與被接受的程度 ※ 引述《kockroach (假先知假使徒)》之銘言: : 我覺得從 salvation oikonomi 的概念出發會很好理解 : (這也是 Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras 等人最早 : 解釋三位一體時的概念) : 上帝有一個救贖計畫,這個救贖計畫反映了上帝的 divine will, : 救贖計畫的目的只有一個,所以只有一個 will : 所以,一個上帝,一個本質,一個 will、一個 nature : 救贖計畫的執行總體而言是一個 action,但是分成三個 persone : (hypostasis),三個形式(form),三個順序 : 然而三個 persone 沒有大小差別,同等尊榮(co-honour)、同樣 : 地位、永遠存在(co-eternal) : 另一方面,由於 incarnation 的關係,耶穌身上同時有兩神人 : 二性(nature) : 一個蘿蔔一個坑,所以一個 nature 就會有一個 will : 耶穌身上有兩個 nature 就會有兩個 will 本體三一論是否造成 http://www.carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/ontological-and-economic-t\ rinity Objections Answered 2Q.Doesn't the difference of role mean that the Father commands and the Son obeys? But if this is so, how can the Trinity be of one will? 2A.By definition, each person of the Trinity must have his own will, otherwise, they are not persons. The question would then be how does each will relate to the other within the Trinity? ...We are told that Jesus came down from heaven not to do his own will, but the will of the Father who sent him (John 6:38). It would seem that we could conclude that the Father and the Son either did not have the same will, and/or that the Son voluntarily subjected himself to accomplish the will of the Father. Either way, the members of the Trinity work in perfect harmony in spite of there being three persons. 3Q.If the Trinity is of one will, how can there be a distinction of wills between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 4A.It would seem that John 6:38 does imply that the father and the son had different wills. We would expect this to be so since the father is not the same person as the son and each person, by definition, must have his own will. 約翰福音 6:38 因為我從天上降下來,不是要按自己的意思行,乃是要按那差我來者的意 思行。 -- -- ▽×E=-δB/δt ∮E‧dl=-d(∮B‧ds)/dt ▽×H=J+δD/δt ∮H‧dl=I+d(∮D‧ds)/dt ▽‧D=ρ ∮D‧ds=Q ▽‧B=0 ∮B‧ds=0 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.149.10