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:That is a contradiction, either those programs either optional or not. : If they are not optional then they need to be imported into the :source tree, if they are not then we don't need to force them down :into iso image that is generated. : :-- : -David They are not optional. I don't want people to install DragonFly and then not have a 'cvsup' to do any updates with, and cdrtools are invaluable for anyone playing with a new installation who happens to have a CD-R. The cdrtools and cvsup are defaulted via the REQ_PACKAGES variable, which you can override on the command line if you don't want them. But, believe me, you want them. -Matt Matthew Dillon <dillon@backplane.com>