→ chenzhishun1:cool! finally there is someone reasoning english 05/25 12:46
→ chenzhishun1:the way it should be done!! 05/25 12:46
→ chenzhishun1:i wonder why the other ppl keep typing in chinese 05/25 12:47
→ chenzhishun1:for? things never get clearer when we use chinese 05/25 12:47
→ chenzhishun1:come on, you guys teach english for living? 05/25 12:48
→ chenzhishun1:don't you? huh? huh? ??????? 05/25 12:48
推 zofloya:人們使用覺得自己用起來最能達意，最舒服的語言溝通，如果 05/25 13:56
→ zofloya:你的母語是中文，我不信你用中文會比你用英文溝通更沒效率 05/25 13:57
→ zofloya:這邊難道都是母語是英文的人在看嗎?語言的目的是溝通，不 05/25 13:57
→ zofloya:是讓你滿足優越感的。使用哪一種語言，只是一種選擇，不使 05/25 13:58
→ zofloya:用某種語言，便不代表我無法使用那一種語言溝通，一定要這 05/25 14:01
→ zofloya:樣自以為是，崇洋媚外嗎?中文是我的母語，我就算在國外住 05/25 14:02
→ zofloya:上二十年，我還是覺得說中文時最爽，最能達意 05/25 14:03
→ zofloya:who do you think you are to question an individual's 05/25 14:04
→ zofloya:personal choice of using a certain language? you use 05/25 14:04
→ zofloya:whatever you like, others choose their own preference 05/25 14:05
→ zofloya:it's shame you don't appreciate the diversity while 05/25 14:06
→ zofloya:have diverse means and access to learning. 05/25 14:07
→ zofloya:Please try to learn to be more open-minded and respect 05/25 14:07
→ zofloya:others' choice. 05/25 14:08
推 t7000:it never gets clearer because you fail to master Chinese 05/25 19:20
→ nnf:超想噓clearer的說法 中文是母語 在這裡問問題用母語有何不可 05/25 20:26
→ nnf:我同學去國外讀書 回來講話不管做什麼事都是用中文說 05/25 20:27
→ nnf:不會像某些人一樣喝了洋墨水就自以為是 05/25 20:27
→ priv:我是覺得用中文討論沒什麼不對，除非你是外國人 05/26 01:07
→ priv:否則你對中文的掌握度應該遠超過英文 05/26 01:08
→ priv:一個人來問問題，表示他沒辦法掌握這個問題選擇的差別 05/26 01:08
→ priv:那你怎麼有辦法確定，用英文描述他可以完全掌握你的意思? 05/26 01:09
→ priv:有些東西英文一句話，中文要好幾句話才能表達 05/26 01:10
→ priv:但在教學上這有時候是必要之惡 05/26 01:10
→ priv:而且在進階的時候，比較各種不同語言的差異也可以強化觀念 05/26 01:12
→ priv:使用哪種語言教學...是因時因地制宜的 05/26 01:13
→ priv:當然我不反對英文用越多越好 05/26 01:14
→ priv:只是不管怎樣，一定要英文，感覺就是一種偏見了 05/26 01:15
→ priv:像在這邊，你要一次解釋清楚，又不怕對方看不懂的話 05/26 01:17
→ priv:我認為還是用中英搭配描述..比較適合 05/26 01:18
→ calchong:well the thing is, number one, I can't type chinese 05/26 01:33
→ calchong:very well, and i think its easier to explain it 05/26 01:34
→ calchong:that way, so please pardon me for my english posts. 05/26 01:34
※ 編輯: calchong 來自: 218.103.212.27 (05/26 01:34)
→ priv:給calchong...並不是針對你喔:) 基本上想怎麼回是個人自由 05/26 01:36
→ priv:是覺得chenzhishun1的說法有點太過偏頗了 05/26 01:36
→ priv:如果原發問者願意用英文的方式去思考..也是會很有幫助的 05/26 01:38
→ chenzhishun1:i do not see this is as an issue of freedom 05/27 10:17
→ chenzhishun1:it is a way to see things. 05/27 10:18
→ chenzhishun1:thinking in chinese and in english are totally 05/27 10:18
→ chenzhishun1:2 different things. if one is afraid of using 05/27 10:19
→ chenzhishun1:english, typing more of chinese will only conceal 05/27 10:20
→ chenzhishun1:this fact. yes it does make you FEEL you are 05/27 10:20
→ chenzhishun1:more adequate when you reason english in chinese. 05/27 10:21
→ chenzhishun1:and yes, typing in english may expose your 05/27 10:21
→ chenzhishun1:mistakes and inadequacy and invite potential 05/27 10:22
→ chenzhishun1:criticism, but you teach english don't you? 05/27 10:23
→ chenzhishun1:where is your passion in English, i don't see it 05/27 10:23
→ chenzhishun1:in your Chinese way or reasoning. 05/27 10:23
→ chenzhishun1:i am sorry to say that.i am sure you are very 05/27 10:24
→ chenzhishun1:much offended by now, and your ego is asking you 05/27 10:25
→ chenzhishun1:to say something defensive to me...go ahead 05/27 10:25
→ chenzhishun1:and knock yourself out.I hope you will think 05/27 10:26
→ chenzhishun1:about this question when your ego is not in the 05/27 10:26
→ chenzhishun1:way 05/27 10:26
→ chenzhishun1:when are we going to admit that Chinese is not 05/27 10:28
→ chenzhishun1:needed in our english classroom? 05/27 10:28
→ chenzhishun1:why is there something called Chinenglish? 05/27 10:31
→ chenzhishun1:by definition, it is english influence by chinese 05/27 10:31
→ chenzhishun1:have you ever thought about what you are doing 05/27 10:31
→ chenzhishun1:is ultimately promoting it? i guess you just dont 05/27 10:32
→ chenzhishun1:see it do you? 05/27 10:33
→ zofloya:Again, I've never seen someone as biased and arrogant 05/27 22:45
→ zofloya:as you are. How come it's not an issue of freedom or 05/27 22:46
→ zofloya:choice. The reason I am not using english to communic- 05/27 22:47
→ zofloya:ate is not that I am "afraid" of using it, but i choo- 05/27 22:47
→ zofloya:se not to. Yes, i teach english, and the truth is that 05/27 22:48
→ zofloya:I teach english in chinese as well as in english,it's 05/27 22:49
→ zofloya:it's ur ego,or to be more precise, ur superiority 05/27 22:51
→ zofloya:complex which gets in your way of being open-minded 05/27 22:51
→ zofloya:i never see two different languages as conflicting 05/27 22:53
→ zofloya:ones. why do they have to be mutually exclusive? 05/27 22:54
→ zofloya:sometimes, the only reason that foreign teachers can 05/27 22:55
→ zofloya:only teach in english is that they can "only" speak 05/27 22:56
→ zofloya:one language,that is, English. what's wrong with 05/27 22:57
→ zofloya:teachers with more than one language available to make 05/27 22:57
→ zofloya:the class more effective, more diverse and sometimes, 05/27 22:58
→ zofloya:more interesting? You are not an english-ass kisser, 05/27 22:58
→ zofloya:are you? 05/27 22:59
→ zofloya:by the way, i am here not to discourage teaching or 05/27 23:20
→ zofloya:learning english in the english-only way, but to 05/27 23:21
→ zofloya:encourage a more diverse way of learning a language or 05/27 23:21
→ zofloya:anything else. Good to see some teachers or helpers 05/27 23:22
→ zofloya:here to teach in english, but don't ever try to look 05/27 23:22
→ zofloya:down on others who use a different way of doing so, 05/27 23:23
→ zofloya:especially with your condescending tone. You never 05/27 23:24
→ zofloya:know how big this world is! Just be modest! 05/27 23:26
→ ashurali:怎麼回確實是個人的自由，畢竟沒有明確條文規定怎麼回應 05/27 23:29
→ ashurali:嘛！但是只這樣想或許想法太過狹窄。回應的人多半是為了 05/27 23:30
→ ashurali:幫助提出來的問題能在討論或單向地解釋下能讓其他人成長 05/27 23:31
→ ashurali:，這時若能考量其他人的出發點或許會更佳。 05/27 23:31
→ ashurali:排除個人因素，要用英文有英文的優點，中文也有中文的長 05/27 23:32
→ ashurali:處，整體優缺點一同考量起來，且用較長遠的眼光看，很可 05/27 23:32
→ ashurali:能用某一種，甚至是全用某一種會勝出。 05/27 23:33
→ ashurali:我個人會傾向上面的答案是英文，但這不代表我就覺得一定 05/27 23:34
→ ashurali:得用英文於板上交談，因為我自己覺得用英文，對於多數人 05/27 23:34
→ ashurali:來說，是對使用者好，對看得的人進步不大。 05/27 23:35
→ ashurali:要學習，ptt出現的文章多半和閱讀英文書籍、雜誌、報紙 05/27 23:37
→ ashurali:等不同，是屬於問題解答性質，這時觀念上的了解會是一個 05/27 23:38
→ ashurali:著重的點，從閱讀去習慣英文的句法、用語倒不是那麼重要 05/27 23:38
→ ashurali:。至於思考會變Chinglish，我覺得個人要不要進步才是主要 05/27 23:39
→ ashurali:影響的地方，當然也和已接觸的英語量、所懂的程度相關。 05/27 23:40
→ ashurali:甚至明講，要用ptt做為英文的廣泛接觸，那倒不如去拿大家 05/27 23:41
→ ashurali:推薦的外文雜誌、報紙或小說來看會好更多。 05/27 23:42
→ ashurali:另外需不需要建立「全英文」的環境呢？我想只在這個板用 05/27 23:43
→ ashurali:英文和全英文差太多了。還是說英文的比例是愈多愈好？我 05/27 23:44
→ ashurali:自己是覺得不用太強求板上是否英文的差別啦，重要的是能 05/27 23:44
→ ashurali:將所要表達的意思能讓其他人知道 05/27 23:45
→ ashurali:能用英文是很好，不過別去苛責不用英文的人啦 :) 05/27 23:47