※ 引述《hopeliu (阿翔)》之銘言：
: Joe: When traffic fatalities and injuries are considered, this intersection
: is the most dangerous in the city. However I need to pass by it for work
: everyday. It has been three weeks since I __________ an accident.
: (a) will seen (b) saw (c) has see (d) have seen
:
: 答案b，要怎麼解釋d是錯的？感謝各位大大。
: → tijj:不管國中題還是語言學,若上下文只有這樣,d完全正確,而且比b好12/03 11:30
: 推 l10nel:since子句後接現在完成式，適用於狀態動詞，或「現在仍成立12/03 12:36
: → l10nel:的動作，Practical English Usage關於這點所舉的對照例子 12/03 12:37
: → l10nel:很好,如We visit my parents every week since we've had 12/03 12:38
: → l10nel:the car. 至今仍 have the car；但是，We visit my parents12/03 12:39
: → l10nel:every week since we bought the car. 買車的動作是不持續 12/03 12:40
: → l10nel:的動作，在過去已經完結，故用 bought，而非 have bought，12/03 12:40
: → l10nel:同理，saw an accident 是過去時間點的一個動作，已經結束,12/03 12:41
是這樣嗎？bought the car可類比saw an accident？同理？
: 推 l10nel:since I saw an accident 要比 have seen 自然得多。記得這12/03 12:43
這有趣，不過，有問題吧。
: → l10nel:是國中的文法吧。 12/03 12:44
則，是不是更應該教對？因為若有國中生知道，豈不是…
: → tijj:因We visit my parents every week跟It is/has been結構不同,12/03 13:47
: → tijj:不能完全等同分析. 12/03 13:48
敝人亦不確定l10nel對狀態動詞之了解程度為何。也許幾個例子
以『l10nel你自己』對狀態動詞的認知得以詮釋，但我全部講述一次。
這We visit…是出自513頁，然Swan之解，並無狀態動詞之述，有時候
沒說清楚，人家會以為Swan也這麼講。
: 推 l10nel:同一本書同一主題的另一例： 12/03 14:04
: → l10nel:I've known her since we were at school together. 12/03 14:05
: → l10nel:(We are no longer at school together.) 12/03 14:06
: 推 l10nel:I've known her since I've lived in this street. 12/03 14:08
: → l10nel:(I still live in this street.) 12/03 14:08
如引用Declerck教授所說:
※ 引述《tijj (my two cents)》之銘言：
: It is interesting to note that a condition for the use of the present
: perfect in the since- clause is that the situation referred to
: is potentially repeatable..
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
現在完成可意味重複性。如一直有怎麼樣…怎麼樣…的情形。
故全例亦得以釋意：
1) We visit my parents every week since we've had the car.
如表示反覆有那台車，不就意謂著一直有那台車。(所以常可探親)
2) We visit my parents every week since we bought the car.
如表示不是反覆買那台車，因買了就買了，因此，買了那台車後，常可探親。
3) I've known her since we were at school together.
如表示不是反覆還在學校，意味著不在學校了。
4) I've known her since I've lived in this street.
如表示反覆住這，不就意謂著一直住這。
5) It's five years since I saw him on the 20th anniversary of his marriage.
如表示不是反覆看到他第20週年婚慶。
6) It has been three weeks since I have seen an accident. (配合原語境)
如表示我看到車禍意外這事，是可能會反覆一直發生。
但不是『l10nel:同理，saw an accident 是過去時間點的一個動作，
已經結束,since I saw an accident 要比 have seen 自然得多』
實在是：不同理。
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