Re: UTF-8 Sorting

The answer is it stifles us all. We're getting fed an NSA-spouted dream
when the reality is a horror.

Voting doesn''t work  anymore with the lobbyists and glad-handers. What
to do?


On 13/03/2014 2:58 AM, Joe Shevland wrote:
> As a complete twist, why on earth do people even talk about security
> when whole governments have subverted the very means we worked towards,
> to secure things? Ideally, to bring competition into things? To perhaps
> work towards nobler means, a space elevator, or cracking that nut of
> interstellar travel. Yet we have the Fed Reserve.
>
> The 5 eyes have made a mockery of personal freedom. I'm just not sure
> why we still keep thinking we have it. Everything else is useless as a
> result of their compromises. Why continue this charade?
>
> Why continue engineering topics, when the substance of of lives is at sta=
ke?
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
> On 13/03/2014 2:45 AM, Rolf Nielsen wrote:
>>
>> Gerhard Schmidt skrev 2014-03-12 15:58:
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>>> On 12.03.2014 15:50, Rolf Nielsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gerhard Schmidt skrev 2014-03-12 10:31:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've a problem with FreeBSD, UTF-8 and Sorting.
>>>>>
>>>>> e.g. there is a file with the following content
>>>>>
>>>>> Meier M=FCller =D6ger Ofner Schmidt
>>>>>
>>>>> I have set my Terminal to ISO-8859-1 Encoding and call sort on
>>>>> this file I get the following output.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meier M=FCller Ofner =D6ger Schmidt
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is correctly sorted.
>>>>>
>>>>> When i change my Terminal to UTF-8 encoding and convert the file
>>>>> to UTF-8 and call sort again I get the following output.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meier M=FCller Ofner Schmidt =D6ger
>>>>>
>>>>> which is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem seams to be that the LC_COLLATE file in the
>>>>> de_DE.UTF-8 locale is linked to ../la_LN.US-ASCII/LC_COLLATE (as
>>>>> are all LC_COLLATE Files in any UTF-8 locale).
>>>>>
>>>>> After some Research i found a Mail from Kuba Lida in December
>>>>> 2008 (yeah that's 5 Years ago) stating the same Problem and got
>>>>> no response.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why isn't there a UTF-8 LC_COLLATE file for any language. Kuba
>>>>> Lida believed there was a Problem with multibyte collate files in
>>>>> FreeBSD. Is this true and are there plans to fix this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same test under Linux works without problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards Estartu
>>>>>
>>>>> - -- -
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, to me the result that you claim is wrong looks perfectly
>>>> correct, however, it may of course differ between languages. In
>>>> Swedish =D6 is a separate letter, located last in the alphabet (from
>>>> A to Z we have the exact same alphabet as English, and then come =C5,
>>>> =C4 and =D6, in that order).
>>> Yeah, Sweedisch sorts these characters after Z but in German =D6 equals
>>> Oe in Names and O in all other cases. There have to be collation
>>> tables for different languages as there are different one for dieffent
>>> languages in ISO encoding. I know that the direfrence in Name and Not
>>> name will not be implementable but the default whould be much of an
>>> improvement.
>>>
>>> The same difference is between German German (de_DE) and Austrian
>>> German (de_AT).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>     Estartu
>> I see. Well, different countries, different customs. :)
>>
>> (I should have included the list in my previous reply, but I hit the
>> wrong button. I apologise for that).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rolf
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