Re: [Goal] Spanish Debate: Barcelona's Ideal Fo …

[muenexp (muen)]

兩分鐘快讀又來了~
不過這個作者沒講什麼新玩意, 而且顯然也沒注意到小羅近期的上升曲線

※ 引述《kevinishia (y ahora)》之銘言：
: Spanish Debate: Barcelona's Ideal Formation
: Thierry Henry's apparently unhappy with Barcelona's approach to the Beautiful
: Game. The squad as a whole, meanwhile, has found itself on the receiving end
: of two consecutive Liga defeats. Is the time ripe for a change?

西甲敗局已成, 亨利大材小用, 來點改變如何?


: Allegedly, Thierry Henry is far from happy with the state of play at Camp
: Nou. A Barcelona-based journalist contends that the Frenchman is a fervent
: advocate of the blaugrana's switching to 4-4-2, with 4-3-3 beginning to get
: on his nerves.
: Of course, the story originated in Marca, on whose payroll are at least a
: couple of people who would delight in spreading discord about the Catalan
: side. But Henry, it has to be said, has not been at his best since arriving
: in Barcelona, and it's certainly true that he never played under such a
: system at Arsenal.
: Combine with that Barcelona's rather questionable form at times this season,
: and perhaps there is a case for suggesting that it's time for coach Frank
: Rijkaard to reshuffle his pack.

教練應該考慮一下, 該不該提供亨利一個熟悉的位置,
不然以目前的打法而言,
成就似乎有限


: The State Of Play
: At the moment, 4-3-3 is synonymous with Barcelona. Any football fan can
: envision a blaugrana lineup: Puyol marshalling the back four, a defensive
: influence ahead of him, Iniesta and Xavi to either side, and finally the
: likes of Messi and Ronaldinho flanking Samuel Eto'o.
: It's an enduring, distinctive style, and it often works. Against Celtic in
: the Champions League, for example, the flexibility afforded by such a style
: became apparent, with players given free reign to pull the opposition out of
: position and take advantage of the many resulting gaps.

每個barca迷都深諳我們傳統433過去的優良表現


: However, it has its disadvantages. Teams that deploy more than one defensive
: midfielder can often crowd out the more inventive Barça players, deny them
: the chance to use their imagination. Ronaldinho struggles when people get up
: close and personal, while Lionel Messi is double-marked by almost every team
: - one covering his outside run, the other watching out for a cut inside.
: Frustration then sets in, and what should be a free-spirited approach to the
: game becomes instead clunky and disjointed. This may not happen often, but
: when it does - and it most often does away from home against the Liga's
: scrappier teams - it's disastrous.

但433弱點極為明顯, 對手只要擺兩個後腰掐死我們兩個進攻中場(Xavi, Deco, etc)
用肢體衝撞擠爆小羅,
等Messi拿球再分兩個方向包夾他, 不給他切,
巴薩就玩完了

這種事還蠻常在聯賽客場出現的
(按: 桑坦德、赫塔菲.....足繁不及備載)


: The Alternatives
: There is perhaps a case for change - not all the time, admittedly, but in
: certain situations. One such situation could be when Henry is included in the
: starting line-up.
: Against the more hard-to-beat teams, Henry's allegedly favoured 4-4-2 could
: see him at his best. It was in such a system that he arguably had his best
: days at Arsenal; certainly he spent a long time in a 4-4-1-1 and did well,
: but working alongside the likes of Bergkamp, we saw the Frenchman shine.
: Of typical note was the ability of the midfielders and his strike partner -
: who often played a more withdrawn role - to provide him with a through ball,
: either on the wing or right through the middle. Henry's positioning, and to a
: slightly lesser extent his pace, allowed him to make the most of it.

所以巴薩應該轉生為兵工廠,
全隊為亨利空出前場, 再賞一個跟伯格坎普一樣好的二前鋒支援他

(按: Messi! Messi! Messi! Messi!)



: Still, this was down to Henry's virtues on one side, and the Premiership
: style on the other. The English league is fast and furious, and often the
: opposing defences would push up more than their deeper, more ponderous, but
: arguably better-positioned Spanish counterparts. So, it may be that only
: against the more attacking ones, or the sides that are a goal down and
: chasing the game, such an approach would work with Henry.
: But putting side for a moment the idea that Henry must be accomodated at all
: costs, 4-4-2 still looks somewhat alluring. It would add a sense of
: regimentaton and toughness that has all too often been missing from the
: midfield this season. That alone could see the balance tipped.

但說實話英超節奏快, 使得攻守轉換的空隙比西甲多,
亨利一樣的招式搬到西甲,
大概要碰上敢跟巴薩打對攻的球隊才可能派上用場

(按: 所以也不必期待兵工廠的亨利在西班牙重生)

而且442或許能強化中場的硬度, 尤其巴薩中場已經軟很久了

(按: 我以為中場軟跟球員比較有關係)

: Misfits
: Yet if such a change is forthcoming, certain players could find themselves
: cast out. In a two-up front situation, should Henry wish to be accommodated,
: it may in fact be in a supporting role, as Eto'o has made himself all but
: undroppable. Similarly, Leo Messi is so integral to Barcelona's play that he
: may earn a wing spot to the exclusion of more natural midfielders.
: That would certainly lead to some unhappy faces on the training pitch, with
: Ronaldinho perhaps chief amongst them. And it is not clear that the 4-4-2
: will suit the likes of Xavi, Deco and Iniesta. An attempt to keep people
: happy will probably result in a narrow diamond shaped midfield, with a
: complete loss of width. Unless Barcelona find Roberto Carlos and Dani Alves,
: it will once again be more of the same - people crowding in the middle as
: they do now.

不論如何變陣, 都意味有人要被犧牲

(按: 跟我之前的評論大同小異)


: As things stand, the balance of Barcelona's squad is such that a change of
: approach could simply mean that too many big names are sidelined - just as
: would be the case if Madrid, for example, sacrified a midfielder for a
: striker.
: Instead, then, merely adjusting the 4-3-3 may be preferable. But even at
: that, certain players may find themselves sidelined. One possible idea would
: see Iniesta move up to occupy the left-forward position, which would, again,
: see Ronaldinho on the bench. Iniesta has already deputised up front this
: season, and he is to be commended for providing some rather superior link-up
: play: surely Henry could do such an influence at times.

不變陣一樣要做取捨

小白離球門越近攻擊力越強, 但必須跟小羅競爭一個位置

(按: 比誰的明星光環亮)


: The Dangers
: Of course, such drastic changes do not come without their costs. Despite
: everything - two consecutive Liga defeats and a massive gap at the top of the
: Liga - Barcelona are not doing badly, and no doubt the current system is
: partially to thank for that. The blaugrana remain in three competitions off
: the back of their current form, and with their style of play often attractive
: as well, the time may not be right for a change.
: Plus, it needs to be remembered that Frank Rijkaard doesn't have the best of
: recent track records with regards to tinkering. The Dutchman has shown a
: distinct lack of innovation when it comes to finding solutions to what is now
: a very predictable brand of football.

目前狀況也沒那麼差啦, 只是.......

"Frank, you are so......predictable."*

*詳見"Eurotrip (2004)"



: In the end, it's something that could give the coach more than a few
: sleepness nights. Above all, he has a large, all-star squad that he must keep
: happy, and unless football becomes 15-a-side, he'll have trouble doing so
: whatever the formation.
: He is unlikely to trade in his 4-3-3, come what may, even if Monsieur Henry
: gets even more unhappy. So what can he do? Given Messi's injury - and what he
: will have seen against Villarreal - he could drop both Ronaldinho and Henry
: (both of whom looked lethargic), pick Bojan and Iniesta to support Eto'o, and
: use Edmilson, Xavi and Deco in midfield. Less lethargy, fewer big heads, more
: honest effort on the pitch!

也許最好的方法是撤下小羅亨利, 多用小將跟小白
讓巴薩打得更像一個團隊,
明天也許會更好!


: Ewan Macdonald, Goal.com



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