Re: [外媒] 馬接受經濟學人專訪完整稿

[TonyQ (自立而後立人)]

※ 引述《marking (發泡蘇打粉)》之銘言：
: http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/03/interview-taiwans-president
: Straight from Mr Ma's mouth
: Mar 28th 2014, 10:48 by The Economist
: The Economist interviewed Ma Ying-jeou, the president of Taiwan, on March
: 21st, 2014. The interview was used in the reporting of this week's lead note,
: as well as a Banyan column, and a portion was produced as a video, available
: here. The following is a transcript of our correspondent's interview, with
: translation from the Mandarin provided by the president's office.

        經濟學人與馬英九，台灣總統。在二零一四年三月二十一號進行訪談。
        訪談被用於顯現出這週的總結，有部份被作成影片，在這裡可以看見。

        接下來是我們通訊記者的紀錄，透過總統辦公室提供的資料翻譯而來。


: Q1. The Cross-strait Trade in Services Agreement has become a contentious
: issue in Taiwan. In the past few days, for example, students have occupied
: the Legislative Yuan. Why do you think there is controversy over the
: agreement?

    問：在過去這幾天服貿協議已經成為一個台灣正在爭論的話題，
        例如學生也佔領立法院。

        你覺得為什麼服貿會產生爭議？



: President Ma: In Taiwan, any matter that involves cross-strait relations will
: cause some degree of contention. Domestically, we have not yet reached a
: significant consensus on how we want to develop our relations with mainland
: China.

    馬：在台灣，只要扯到兩岸關係都會產生一定程度的爭論。
        在國內來說，對如何與中國發展兩岸關係，我們還未到達一個顯著的共識。


: The Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) is part of the Cross-Straits Economic
: Co-operation Framework Agreement (ECFA) that we signed with the mainland four
: years ago. We had explained then that the ECFA is a big framework that would
: cover trade in services and goods, settlement of disputes, and economic
: co-operation.

    馬：服貿協議是我們四年前簽訂的兩岸經貿協議(ECFA)的一部份，
        我們已經解釋過服貿是一個大框架，
        包含服務業跟貨品、爭議的調解以及經濟上的合作。


: The current situation is caused mainly by a misunderstanding among the public
: that the TiSA was not put forth for public review. As a matter of fact, over
: the past year or so, the government has held 110 rounds of talks with 46
: different sectors. But because most were small-scale, the public might not
: have known about them.

    馬：目前的狀況是由於大眾的誤解，認為對於服貿並沒有經過公眾解釋。

        但事實上在去年或之前，政府已經對 46 個不同產業舉辦過 110 次的演講，
        但因為這些都是小規模的演講，大眾可能還不知道我們曾經舉辦過的演講。


: At the same time, [relevant government agencies] have
: briefed the Legislative Yuan three times, but critics argue that the
: agreement would pose a major threat to Taiwan.

        在此同時相關國家代表已經到立法院簡報三次了，
        但批評家爭論這個協議會造成一個台灣的主要威脅。

: For example, it would take
: away job opportunities. But the TiSA will not open Taiwan’s job market to
: mainland Chinese workers. Explicit restrictions are in place in Article 3 of
: the agreement. Then some people say that it would jeopardise Taiwan’s
: national security.

        例如，它會減少工作機會。

        但服貿並不會對大陸勞工開放台灣的工作機會。

        明確的規範已經被放在協議的第三條，
        然後有些人說這會危及台灣的國家安全。

:In reality, Article 11 of the TiSA prescribes measures for
: exceptions, that is, restrictions could be imposed if it involved national
: security. Then there are others who say that the agreement showed disparity,
: with Taiwan opening more sub-sectors to the mainland than vice versa. This is
: not true either. Taiwan will be allowed access to 80 sub-sectors in mainland
: China. Many other sub-sectors have not been included in the TiSA because
: these had already been liberalised in 2001 [when the mainland joined the
: World Trade Organisation].

        事實上，服貿的第十一條規定了例外的措施，也就是說，
        我們可以增加限制，如果我們認為他危害國家安全。

        其他人說這協議對兩岸開放的程度不對等，這同樣不是事實。

        大陸會對台灣開放八十個項目。並且許多其他項目沒有被列在服貿，
        因為他們已經在 2001 年加入 WTO 時已經開放。

: After the past several months of clarification, the true picture has become
: very clear. The current situation has developed because of a dispute that has
: arisen in the Legislative Yuan during deliberations over the TiSA. Ongoing
: disputes between the two major political parties have led to this situation.
: The best solution is to return to the original consensus. I believe there is
: a chance that the issue could then be resolved.

        在過去幾個月的釐清之後，這真相變得非常明顯。

        目前發展成這樣的狀況是因為一個服貿在立院審查時的爭議。

        正在兩個主要政黨之間進行的爭議導致現在的狀況，
        最好的解決方案是回歸到原本的意見。

        我相信這裡有一個解決這個問題的機會。


: Q2. What efforts will the government make to address the concerns of the
: people?

    問：政府將會對於人們的擔心的事情做出什麼樣的努力？

: President Ma: Last October, negotiations held between the ruling and
: opposition parties concluded that the TiSA would be subject to an
: item-by-item review and vote. The government too agreed with this approach.
: However, public hearings on the TiSA took more than four months, causing a
: lengthy delay.

        去年十月，在執政黨與反對黨的談判決議服貿應該逐條進行審查與投票。

        政府非常認同這個方法，
        但是服貿的公聽會花了超過四個月，耽誤了非常長的時間。

: The different parties were concerned that this might cause
: misgivings in the international community and wanted to speed up the process.
: Since the debate began on March 10th, there have been many disagreements.
: When Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) members were presiding over the
: meeting, they did not allow Kuomintang (KMT) members to express their views.
: When KMT members were presiding, DPP members occupied the podium.

        不同的政黨都擔心這會造成國際局勢的疑慮，
        並且想要加速服貿的審議。


        因為從 3/10 開始的辯論，開始產生不同意的意見。

        當民進黨主持的會議，他們並不允許國民黨表達他們的意見，
        當國民黨主持時，他們站領主持台。


: So
: eventually, KMT legislators decided that they would follow the regulations
: and deem the review to have been completed. I believe that such disputes
: concerning legislative review should be resolved through the Legislature’s
: internal negotiation mechanism. This would allow the review to proceed as
: originally planned.

        所以最後，國民黨立委決定他們應該照規章形式並認為審查以旌節樹。

        我相信關於立法院的審查爭論應該透過立院的內部協商機制，
        這允許我們審查，就如同當初的計畫一樣。

: Q3. Are there differing opinions of the TiSA within the Kuomintang?

    問：國民黨自己有不同的聲音嗎？

: President Ma: The KMT holds a unanimous view internally but differs greatly
: from the opposition.

        國民黨內部意見一致，但與在野黨看法差異相當大。

: Q4. Some people say that Wang Jin-pyng has made no effort to push for the
: passage of the TiSA. Do you agree?

    問：有些人說王金平並沒有努力促成服貿的通過，你認同嗎？

: President Ma: The KMT legislative caucus fully supports the TiSA. We can tell
: from the meeting convened on March 18th. Because Wang is President of the
: Legislative Yuan, he has to maintain a transcendent stance on all issues. Of
: course he wants the TiSA to be passed. He has in the past openly expressed
: support for the agreement. However, the procedure requires negotiations
: between the ruling and opposition parties. I think the best way forward is
: through internal legislative negotiation. Similar disagreements have occurred
: in the past and have eventually been resolved.

    馬：國民黨立委全力支援服貿。
        我們可以從 3/18 會議招開的會議看出這件事。

        因為王是立法院長，他必須維護他在所有事務上的中立立場，
        當然他也希望服貿通過。

        他已經在過去公開的表達對服貿協議支持的立場。

        但是，程序上還是會要求朝野協商。

        我想讓事情前進的最好方式，是透過立院內部協商機制，
        過去也有異議但最後能夠這樣得到解決。




: When we signed the ECFA four years ago, the Legislature was the scene of
: fisticuffs. Some people were injured and sent for emergency treatment.
: Therefore, I hope that people can remain calm and find a solution to the
: issue. I believe that this can be resolved.

        我們四年前簽訂 ECFA 的時候，立法院曾經出現互毆的場面。

        有些人受傷並且送去急救。


        因此，我希望人們可以維持冷靜並找到一個解決問題的方法。

        我相信這個問題可以被解決。


: Q5. If the TiSA is not ratified soon, how will it impact Taiwan’s trade
: relations with other countries and with mainland China?


    問：如果服貿沒有在近期被通過，
        那它會如何影響台灣與其他國家或台灣與中國的貿易關係？

: President Ma: If the TiSA is not ratified or if it has to be renegotiated, it
: could have serious consequences and be detrimental to Taiwan’s interests.
: External trade accounts for 70% of Taiwan’s economic growth. Taiwan has long
: performed well in external trade, but in the past ten years or so, countries
: around the world have signed free-trade agreements (FTA). Many countries want
: to do business with Taiwan, but when it comes to signing a FTA with us, they
: become hesitant, because of our diplomatic predicament.

    馬：如果服貿沒有通過或他需要重新談判，
        這會產生嚴重的後果並對台灣的利益不利。


        對外貿易佔了台灣 70% 的經濟成長，台灣已經長期在對外貿易表現得很好，
        但在過去十年左右，世界上的國家開始簽署 FTA。

        許多國家想要跟台灣做生意，但當他要跟台灣簽訂 FTA，
        他們變得遲疑，因為我們外交的困境。


: We managed to sign the ECFA with mainland China four years ago, which made it
: possible for us to sign an investment arrangement with Japan and economic
: co-operation agreements (ECA) with New Zealand and Singapore. Our
: international space has begun to expand. We also want to pursue similar deals
: with the United States and the European Union, and join the Trans-Pacific
: Partnership (TPP) and the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP).


        我們四年前決定要跟中國簽 ECFA ，
        這讓我們跟日本簽訂投資協議、與紐西蘭、新壓波簽訂經濟合作協議變得可能。

        我們的國際空間開始拓展，我們也希望與美國或鷗盟進行繼續類似的合作，
        並加入 TPP 與 RCEP。


: However, if the TiSA is not passed, it would affect our signing of a trade in
: goods agreement with mainland China. As well, the international community
: would find it odd that Taiwan, while voicing an interest in joining in
: regional economic integration, is stalling domestically because of procedural
: issues. Our sincerity and determination would be questioned. Especially, if
: after signing the deal with the mainland, we then reverse course, we would no
: longer be creditable. We might be regarded as an unreliable trade partner.
: This would be most unfavourable as regards our international participation.


        無論如何，如果服貿沒有通過。

        這會影響我們與中國簽訂貨貿。
        並且國際局勢將會認為我們奇怪，因為台灣說有興趣加入區域經濟整合，
        卻因為程序性的問題停滯在國內。

        我們的誠信與決心將會被懷疑。

        特別是如果我們與中國簽署之後，我們又對項目反悔，我們將不再被信任。


        我們將被看成無法被信任的交易夥伴，
        這對於我們的國際參與現況將是最糟糕的事情。

: Q6. Do you plan to meet with mainland Chinese leader Xi Jinping?

    問：你有打算跟中國領導者習近平會面嗎？


: President Ma: I have always maintained an open mind. Last year, we suggested
: that we could arrange a meeting at the APEC summit so we could avoid the use
: of official titles and because of venue concerns. The APEC summit is a
: custom-made forum, as participants represent not countries but economies.

    馬：我總是抱著開放的態度。

        去年，我們建議我們可以在 APEC 上安排一個會面，
        這樣我們可以避免使用正式職稱和場地問題。

        APEC 是一個特別的論壇，參與者代表不是被視為國家而是視為經濟體。

: They are not addressed as presidents or premiers, but as leaders. The plan
: was devised long ago, and put in place over 20 years ago to avoid such
: political concerns. I thought that it would be a good opportunity and the
: people of Taiwan were very supportive of this idea. However, mainland China
: does not want the leaders of the two sides of the Taiwan Strait to meet at an
: international event. We do not have an answer at this time. We hope that
: should an opportunity arise, we could create appropriate conditions and
: perhaps again consider it. As of now, we do not have another plan.


        參與者並沒有被稱為總統或首相，而是領導者。
        這個已經被計畫很久，並在二十年前就開始實施，用來避免政治上的立場問題。


        我想這是一個好的機會並且台灣人當時很支持這個想法，
        但是，中國並不想讓海峽兩邊的領導人在一個國際性的活動中會面。

        這次我們並沒有獲得答案，希望那出現了一個機會。

        我們可以建立是合得情況，並且再度考慮會面。

        而目前的狀況，我們還沒有其他的計畫。



: 經濟學人有聲明說
: 這段訪談的內容已經出現在前兩篇文章中，部分片段也製作成影音檔
: 大家認為訪談全文逐字稿還有需要翻成中文嗎?
: 想看的請推文，我再盡快翻譯~


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