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原帖由TNP YA球探Mod-Cattington在2010年寫成,公開在國家論壇的Press。 http://www93.hattrick.org/Community/Press/?ArticleID=10621 以下翻譯。 In this article we will answer the following questions: - Why should I train an U20 player? - How can I get an U20 player? - How do I train my player? - How can I find out my players chances for U20? 我們在此文章將會回答下列問題: -我為什麼要訓練U20球員? -如何取得U20球員? -我要如何訓練他? -如何得知我的球員進U20的機會? ________________________________________ Why should I train a future U20 player? 我為什麼要訓練U20球員? Training an U20 player can cause serious problems in your team. He will need special care, like playing in league matches to gain experience, regardless of his performance, and training at a low stamina share, so his main skill will get better faster. You have to make sacrifices to train U20. Why are there still so many people around who want to train U20 then? 訓練一個U20球員可能對你的球隊造成龐大的問題。他需要特別的照顧,像是不論他的表 現如何都得把他放上聯賽來增加經驗,、維持低體能訓練增快訓練效率等等。你必須為了 他犧牲一些事情。既然如此,為什麼還是有那麼多人想訓練U20球員? It is easy: Players with U20 potential are normally very talented youth players, so they will get better quickly and become an essential part of your team soon. As a reward for the sacrifices your team has to make in the first seasons, you will get: - Fun - Prestige - Experience - Money 答案很簡單:有U20機會的球員都是潛力優異的小苗,他們進步快,很快地也會成為你球 隊的骨幹。前幾個賽季做出的犧牲將會有以下這些回報: -樂趣 -聲望 -經驗 -錢 Fun, because you will have one more match each week to follow. Who wouldn’t want to watch U20 matches when the own player is in the team? 樂趣,每周你會有更多比賽可以追,當你手上有U20球員,誰不想追蹤U20比賽看自己球員 的表現? Prestige, because there are 900.000 people playing hattrick, but only roughly 3000 players who will play for their country in the U20 world cup. 聲望,HT有900.000左右的球員,但是只有3000名能代表國家踢U20世界盃。 Experience for your player – because each official U20 match gives your player ten times the experience he would get in a normal league match. 增加球員經驗,每場U20比賽的經驗都是平常聯賽的10倍。 Money, because everyone wants the prestige and the performance of a U20 player. So players who already play for their U20 or who will do so soon are always very expensive and earn their owners quite a lot of money – should they ever want to sell them. 錢,因為每個人都想要U20球員的能力與隨之而來的聲望,所以有U20經驗或是即將踢U20 比賽的球員都非常昂貴,會給球員持有者帶來高額金錢-如果他們想賣的話。 If your player gets called into the team and plays for his country, you will get a compensation of 40% of his salary, 33% if you’re training a player from a foreign country. 如果你的球員被叫進你所屬國家的國家隊並上場踢球,你會得到40%的薪資減免, 如果是外國的國家隊會有33%的減免。 ________________________________________ How can I get an U20 prospect? 如何取得U20球員? The easiest way is to ask the U20 scout. For Taiwan, it is even easier: you can join the Taiwan Trainers Federation (91093), in this federation you will always get the newest information about Taiwanese U20 players that are for sale (or will come onto the market soon). 最簡單的方式是詢問U20球探。(後面不符合現狀不翻,Taiwan Trainers Federation已經 沒在運作 。) If you can’t join the Fed, because you don’t have fed slots free or aren’t a supporter, you can still get an U20 prospect. Just ask the relevant scout (you can find our Taiwan scouting information at ( http://www93.hattrick.org/Forum/Read.aspx?t=10868938&n=5&v=0&mr=0 ), and he will inform you if a player becomes available. Just keep in mind, Taiwan is a small country, and it might take a while until we find a player that fits your expectations. 只要跟相關球探表達你想培養U20球員的意願,當有適合人選出現時他會通知你。 (你可以在 http://www93.hattrick.org/Forum/Read.aspx?t=10868938&n=5&v=0&mr=0找到相關資訊) 請記得台灣是個小國,我們可能需要一點時間才能找到你期待的球員。 If your team is from Taiwan, you will probably have a youth academy that can provide you with your own future stars. You might want to read the youth academy scouting guide (9141) to get the best possible players out of your academy, if in doubt, just ask the NT youth academy scout. 如果你有台灣本地球隊,你很可能有個YA可以自產優秀小苗。你可能會想看看YA (http://www93.hattrick.org/Community/Press/?ArticleID=9141)介紹來好好利用YA系 統,如有任何疑問都可以詢問NT YA球探。 ________________________________________ How do I train my player? 我要如何訓練他? Now, on to the most important question: After you have your U20 prospect, how can you adjust your training to give him the best possible chances for U20? And, which training conditions are the minimum requirements to keep his chances for U20? 現在,輪到最重要的問題:當你擁有U20候選人,你要如調整訓練計畫讓他有最高的機率 成為U20代表?另外,最低限度的訓練要求是什麼? You will need to consider the following aspects: - Training settings - Coach level - Stamina settings - Player experience - Injuries 你需要考慮以下面相: -訓練設置 -教練等級 -體能設置 -球員經驗 -傷病 Training Settings 訓練設置 The ideal training conditions for a fresh 17 year old trainee are: - 100% training intensity - Exellent coach - 10 Assistant coaches - 5% Stamina share 17歲小苗的理想訓練狀況如下: -100%訓練強度 -優秀教練 -10位助理教練 -5%體能設置 Your training intensity should always be at 100%, unless there is a very good reason why you need to lower it. 你的訓練強度應該要一直維持在100%,除非有非常好的理由必須降低強度。 Your coach should have solid or excellent training ability. Excellent would be great, but isn’t an absolute requirement. On how to get an excellent coach, see below. 你的教練必須是穩定或優秀。優秀當然很棒,但是那不是必需的。後面會解釋如何取得優 秀教練。 You should have 10 assistant coaches. 8 or 9 assistant coaches are still ok, but the more, the better (of course not more than 10^^). 你應該要有10位助理教練。8-9位可以接受,但是越多越好(當然不要超過10位 ^^)。 You stamina share should be as low as possible. 5% would be perfect, so your players main skill raises as fast as possible. More on the stamina share below. 體能設置越低越好。5%是完美狀態,這樣球員技能會提升非常快。後面會解釋體能設置的 細節。 Of course, your player needs to play every week on a 100% training position. 當然,你的球員每周都需要在100%訓練效果的位置上場。 Coach level 教練等級 If you don’t have a solid coach yet, get one. A passable coach trains too slow, so your player wouldn’t progress fast enough to make it into the team. A solid coach without leadership costs only about 270.000€ – a good investment. 如果你還沒有穩定教練,找一個來。及格教練運練速度太慢,這樣你的球員進步速度不夠 讓他進入U20。一個沒啥領導能力的穩定教練大概要268 700 $-一項不錯的投資。 If you want to give your U20 prospect the best possible training, you should get an excellent coach. Of course, we will try to get our best players to the best trainers, so if you have an excellent coach, this will help your chances to get a future star. 如果你想給U20候選人最好的訓練環境,你應該去找個優秀教練。當然,我們會為這修球 員尋找最好的訓練員,所以如果你有優秀教練,得到U20未來明星的機會越大。 Example: Training speed 例子:訓練速度 Trainee: 17 years 0 days, solid playmaking (no sub), trained in playmaking 小苗:17歲0日,穩定組織進攻(沒有小數點),做組織進攻訓練。 Solid coach, 10 assist., 12% stamina -> world class playmaking Excellent coach, 10 assist., 12% stamina -> world class playmaking, but close to supernatural 穩定教練,10位助理教練,12%體能 -> world class (13) 組織進攻技能 優秀教練,10位助理教練,12%體能 -> world class (13)接近supernatural (14) 組織 進攻技能 An excellent coach also helps your players get better form and stamina. 優秀教練同時能幫助你的球員們達到更好的狀態和體能。 But how to get an excellent coach? 但是如何取得一名優秀教練? You should transform one of your players into a coach. This way, you will save a lot of money. 你應該把你的球員轉換成教練,這樣可以省非常多的錢。 Example: Prices for excellent coaches 例子:優秀教練的價格 External excellent coach with passable leadership: 12.505.200$. Really expensive! 外部買入的優秀教練配上及格領導:12.505.200$,超貴! Buying a player with excellent experience and passable leadership: less than 500.000$. After one season you can transform that player into an excellent coach with passable leadership for about 4.5 million $, so the price for an excellent coach is less than 5 million $. 買一個有著優秀經驗和及格領導的球員:少於500.000$。一個賽季後你可以用大約四百五 十萬把該球員轉成有著及格領導的優秀教練,所以你總共花費大約是五百萬元。 The player needs to be in your team for a whole season before you can transform him, so you should get that player as soon as possible. He will need to have at least excellent experience to become an excellent coach. 該球員必須在你的球隊待滿一個賽季才能轉成教練,所以你越快搞到他越好。他至少需要 優秀經驗來成為優秀教練。 Keep in mind that the cost for transformation goes down if he gets more experience – each match he plays for your team will lower the price for transformation. At divine experience, the transformation will only cost about 1.5 million $. 謹記球員經驗越高轉換費用越低-他幫你踢的每一場比賽都能降低轉換費用。一個divine (20)經驗的球員轉換費用大概只要一百五十萬。 You should also consider getting a player with high leadership. The leadership won’t influence the transformation price, so an excellent coach with solid leadership will cost just as much transformation fee as an excellent coach with wretched leadership. The leadership of your trainer won’ t influence the training, so for our U20, it doesn’t matter whether your coach has solid leadership or wretched leadership. But, higher leadership will make the coach more useful for your own team, if you intend to use pic ("play it cool") and mots ("match of the season"). 你同時也該考慮買入高領導的球員。領導不會影響轉換費用,所以一個穩定領導的優秀教 練花的錢和糟糕領導的優秀教練相同。領導不會影響訓練,至少對U20而言,不管是穩定 領導還是糟糕領導都沒差。但是,如果你打算玩pic(輕鬆)和mots(生死之戰),領導越高 的教練對你的球隊越有用, And there is another advantage of getting a coach with high leadership: After the transformation, your coach will slowly lose leadership, very roughly about 1 level of leadership each season. As soon as his leadership drops to disastrous, his trainer ability will start to drop. So the higher his leadership, the longer you can use him. 另一個高領導教練的優點:轉換之後你的教練會慢慢吃去領導技能,粗略來說一季大約減 少一級。只要他的領導降至及其糟糕(1),他的訓練等級也會開始降低。所以領導越高的 教練你能留住他的時間越長。 Stamina settings 體能設置 As mentioned above, your stamina share should be as low as possible, so your player gets as much skill training as possible. But, as the time for his real U20 matches come closer, he needs to get ready, and that means raising the stamina share back to a regular level. 正如上面提過的,你的體能設置越低越好,這樣球員能得到最多的訓練。然而,當你的球 員越來越靠近U20比賽,他必須為比賽做好準備,那代表必須把他的體能調整到正常水準 。 For a fresh 17 year old trainee, you should lower your stamina share, ideally down to 5%. For the first two seasons, he won’t need stamina yet and should focus on his main skill training. 對一個17歲小苗來說,你應該要降低體能設置,最理想是到5%。前兩個賽季都他該專注在 訓練上而用不上體能。 Of course we understand that a stamina share of 5% could be a problem for your team, so you have to find the perfect balance yourself. We don’t want to force you to use 5% stamina share, but keep in mind that your player is competing with other players for his spot in the U20 team. The better the conditions you provide, the higher his chances for U20. 當然我們理解5%體能會對你的球隊造成很多困擾,所以你必須找出一個平衡點。我們不想 強迫你調降體能,但是請記得你的球員必須和其他球員競爭U20機會。你提供的訓練條件 越好他的機會越高。 As the player gets older, the time for his first U20 matches gets closer. Of course he will need stamina for these matches. So you will need to raise the stamina share again. Stamina won’t rise in a few weeks, so you should raise the stamina share at least one season before he will have his first match. 當球員年紀漸高,U20比賽也漸漸接近了。這時他就要為比賽準備體能了。此時需要你把 體能調高。體能不會在幾周內就升高,所以你起碼需要提前一個賽季調高體能,這樣U20 第一場比賽他就能上場。 We recommend: - 17 & 18 year old: 5% stamina share - 19 year old: 20% stamina share until the player reaches excellent stamina - 20 year old: As soon as the player reaches excellent stamina, you can go back to 12-15% to hold the stamina share. 我們建議: -17-18歲:5%體能 -19歲:20%體能直到他達到優秀體能 -20歲:當他達到優秀體能,你可以把體能設置調整回12-15%來維持體能等級。 The reason why the stamina share can be lower now is, that it is easier to hold high stamina than to raise stamina. The reason why his stamina share should be lower now is, that the lower the stamina share, the more skill training he gets and the better his form will be in his U20 matches. 這時體能設置可以調低的原因是維持體能比提高體能容易,此外體能設置應該降低的理由 是這樣直到U20開賽他還能得到訓練效果。 Player experience 球員經驗 For U20, experience is extremely important. Higher experience gives your player better performance and can make the difference while competing with the best players from all over the world. 對U20來說,經驗非常重要。經驗越高你的球員表現越好,這樣面對全世界最優秀的球員 能造成不同的局面。 There is also the so-called "experience event" in U20 matches – the team with the lower team XP can get a negative event in the last minutes, which can lead to a goal for their opponent. To avoid this event, or make use of it for our advantage, our team should have higher XP than our opponents. 此外,U20比賽中有所謂的"經驗事件"-經驗低的球隊在最後數分鐘會得到負面效果,可能 造成對手的進球。為了避免這種事情,或著說利用該事件,我們的球隊經驗必須比對手高 。 To get enough experience, the candidates for our U20 have to play in every league match, and ideally also every cup match. 為了取得足夠的經驗,U20候選人每場聯賽都必須上場,最好每場盃賽也都上。 Experience: - Cup match: 2.0XP - League match: 1.0XP - International friendly match: 0.2XP - National friendly match: 0.1XP 經驗: -盃賽:2.0XP -聯賽:1.0XP -國際友誼賽:0.2XP -國內友誼賽:0.1XP Example: XP gain 例子:經驗增加 For one level of experience a player needs 28XP. 需要28XP來增加一級的經驗。 If, for example, a player plays 14 league matches, two friendly matches in the season break and 4 cup matches, he will get 22.4XP (14*1.0+2*0.2+4*2.0) each season. So he would have earned 67.2XP until he reaches age 20, the time he will first play in an U20 match (probably about weak experience). 舉例,如果一個球員踢了14場聯賽,季間期踢2場友誼賽加上4場盃賽,每個賽季他會得到 22.4XP(14*1.0+2*0.2+4*2.0)。這代表他在20歲之前隊得到67.2XP(大概是弱經驗)。 If the same player would only play national friendly matches each week, he would only get 1.6XP (16*0.1) each season, so he would still be on disastrous experience at the time he plays his first U20 match. 如果同樣一個球員每周只踢國際友誼賽,他每賽季只會有1.6XP,這樣當U20比賽到來時他 還只有極其糟糕的經驗。 Injuries 傷病 Another situation you need to consider is the possibility that your player gets injured. If your player is injured, you should hire enough doctors to make sure that he won’t lose training and can play in the next match (if the injury happens during the world cup matches). 另一個你需要考慮的事情是傷病的可能性。如果你的球員受傷,你應該要雇用足夠的醫生 ,確保他不會錯失訓練,如果在U20比賽間受傷也要確保他能在下一場比賽上場。 If your player is a key player and injured during the world cup, you should do everything possible to get the player back in shape for the next match. 如果你的球員是關鍵球員而且在WC期間受傷,你應該要盡你所能使他在下一場比賽前能恢 復狀況。 ________________________________________ How can I find out my players chances for U20? 我要怎麼知道自己球員獲選U20的可能性? Finally, this is the big question. You found your player, trained him well, and would like to know whether he will play in the world cup, and when. 最後,這是個重要的問題。你找到你想要的球員,好好的訓練他,你想知道他能不能進入 U20,如果能,是甚麼時候。 Of course, you can always ask "your" scout, and you can check the threads in the Taiwanese Trainer Federation. But, there are some things you can check yourself. 當然,你可以問你的球探,但是也有些管道能讓你自己去查證。 First, to have a chance for U20, your player needs to have the right age. You can check which age would be perfect in this table: (http://ht-world.org/global/u20age.php) 第一,你的球員必須有適當的年紀才有機會進入U20。你可以在這裡查詢球員年紀適不適 合踢U20:(http://ht-world.org/global/u20age.php) If his age (as of today) is listed somewhere near the last match of the qualifiers, or somewhere near the finals, his chances are high. For small countries like Taiwan, the qualifiers are more important, as we don’t have that high a hope of getting through to the finals. 如果他(年滿21的時間點)靠近資格賽的尾聲,或是正賽的決賽,他的機會就很高了。對小 國如台灣來說,資格賽重要多了,畢竟我們進入正賽決賽的機會並不是很高。 Second, you can upload your player to the database at (http://ht-world.org/taiwan) 第二,你可以把你的球員提交到資料庫:(http://ht-world.org/taiwan) After uploading, the database gives you a percentage for your player – the closer you come to 100%, the higher your players chances are. 提交後資料庫會告訴你球員的潛力-越靠近100%機率越高。 And, please keep in mind that your player will need to be about 19-20 years of age to play his first match. If your player is still 17 or 18 years old and not yet called up to the U20, that is no problem, as his time might come soon. Be patient :-) 另外,請記得你的球員必須接近19-20歲才能踢他的第一場比賽。如果你的球員只有17-18 歲,他的年紀還不夠進入U20。請保持耐心,他的時間會到來的 :-) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.133.0.59
thid5335:推 辛苦了!! 01/09 20:38
※ 編輯: windfish 來自: 220.133.0.59 (01/09 20:56) ※ 編輯: windfish 來自: 220.133.0.59 (01/09 21:00) ※ 編輯: windfish 來自: 220.133.0.59 (01/09 21:02)
nft:讚~辛苦了!! 01/09 21:02
※ 編輯: windfish 來自: 220.133.0.59 (01/09 21:05)
j0a8c2k1:辛苦了 01/09 21:10
kknow:讚讚讚讚 給推 01/09 21:18
peadon:幫U20/NT踢球 要踢才有幫付薪資40or33% 徵招不給錢 01/09 22:10
windfish:漏翻了,感謝皮蛋提醒,我這就去加 > < 01/09 22:21
※ 編輯: windfish 來自: 220.133.0.59 (01/09 22:22)
peadon:U20可能還是小錢 NT的40%補助就真的很不賴 01/09 22:26
peadon:強力譴責輔導長拿了U20補助沒請coco 01/09 22:26
bolam:強力譴責輔導長拿了U20補助沒請coco 01/09 22:29
windfish:NT球員補助起來差異的確很高,不過養NT球員是長期抗戰 01/09 22:31
windfish:如果中途收購所需金額也很可觀...... 01/09 22:31
grapesnake:其實NT的補助對於養得出NT球員的隊伍來說 01/10 12:48
grapesnake:根本是杯水車薪...... 01/10 12:48
windfish:如果全隊都是NT等級的球員,那還真是杯水車薪...... 01/10 22:17
bolam:一場就四五萬了 說是杯水車薪 也不少了 01/10 23:05