[外絮] ISOLATION SCORING

[ghghfftjack (慾望深厚的老衲)]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=248305


火箭論壇的分析

ISOLATION SCORING, Statistical analysis of LIN vs HARDEN and the top 50
scorers ISO rankings


every corner of the internet has an opinion on ISO ball it seems. Who is
efficient at this particular shot and who is really really bad and should be
getting ridiculed for their continued shot selection which is hurting their
team. First lets look at the battle between Harden vs Lin

James Harden VS Jeremy Lin

Both terrific offensive players who have shown to be proven scoeres when
required, the debate between Harden and Lin in relation to isolations is
intriguing. so who is statistically better?


http://ppt.cc/ByBQ


(harden's data is in the white rows shown before Lins data in the grey rows)

Thats right, they are exactly the same on PPP (points per possession),
interesting after the hot start got off to at the start of the year Lin got
off to and the sluggish start James got off to, that the data still shows
both players converting at .97 PPS ranking them 17th in the league in
qualified players.

Although harden has almost 4x the amount of shots and only converting on
36.6% of shots for Harden to still be converting at a rate of .97 is
exceptional when compared to other notable players in the league.


簡單說

在ISO的表現上 Lin跟 Harden目前為止幾乎是同樣出色

聯盟球員中同樣排名17



http://ppt.cc/3Rsa


also the table above shows Houston as a whole performance in the isolations.
We rank middle of the pack at 16th and have a PPP of .81 which are both below
out 2 primary ball handlers.

然而火箭整體在ISO的表現只能算是中下  排名16

(總體攻擊表現倒是排名第3)

How the Top 50 scorers perform in isolations. note (lin does not qualify for
this list)

Im sure before you look at the graph i created you already have some wild
guesses, for instance "rudy gay will be inefficient" and from creating this
their wasnt really that many concerns. The biggest surprise to me was Lebron
only boasting a PPP on isolations of .85 which compared to the average for
percentage of isolations he takes is below average.


http://ppt.cc/PQL7


- Harden is above the average for the amount of shots taken. note even though
Parsons takes only 7.4% of his shots been isolations but converts them at a
terrible .54 PPP. Perhaps its the small sample size and will be interesting
to watch his stats.

- also secondly although dwight qualifies for the top 50 scorers he has only
taken 2 isolation plays for the year which equates to .5% of his total shots
and has not made one.

- if you would like to know where Lin would be on this graph then he would be
positioned just to the left of Dragic which like James Harden is above league
average

- Rudy gay is Rudy Gay, he takes the most ISO's for the amount of shots he
takes and is terribly inefficient

- Eric Bledsoe is ranked no.1 by synergy sports at 1.32 PPP as Wesley
Matthews 1.5PPP has not taken enough attempts.


高富帥在ISO上的表現非常差，PPP只有.54 (儘管有可能有小樣本偏差)
(ISO在他的攻擊手段中只佔了7.4%)

上面那張圖是前五十得分手的圖  Lin的分數跟出手次數都很低所以不會上榜

如果想知道他在上面那張ISO圖會排名哪裡 根據出手數量還有效率會在Gragic左邊

Rudy Gay ISO最多 但是效率頗差

目前ISO最強的是太陽的Bledsoe  1.5PPP領先群雄

(難怪太陽今年這麼強 一個水準以上的抓雞跟第一名的布雷獸...)


Conclusion

Whether it frustrates you or not, just think about it, it could be a whole
lot worse if we didn't have efficient scores like Harden and Lin. Also note
that Harden has improved his isolation scoring from .93 PPP to this years .97
even with his slow start to the year. Things are looking up Clutchfans, we
are coming



結論  如果沒有哈登跟Lin這兩個高效單打得分手的話會頗慘的

(好像廢話 可是其他不重要懶得翻)


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重點節錄

1.哈登跟Lin兩個人的ISO很強 不過哈登的ISO比重非常大 Lin就不是很高

2.火箭整體ISO的表現上不怎樣 只有聯盟中游水準

(上面那分析不曉得有沒有扣掉Lin跟哈登 沒有的話那頗慘的...雖然也只限ISO的部分)



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※ ghghfftjack:轉錄至看板 Rockets                                  12/16 20:37
推 kinki999:林的iso很怕包夾~~還需要加強
推 eileen86:推推!! 希望有別隊來看貨~這裡有好貨快來搶喔~~
推 bluesunflowe:不不不...一定有什麼地方弄錯了~~Lin的ISO不強的~~
推 xknightx:等他打開就可以克服缺點了  實戰經驗少阿
推 chiaomaster:推樓上  都沒有球權阿 怎麼打?
※ 編輯: ghghfftjack     來自: 134.208.32.48        (12/16 20:55)
→ miha80425:這季ISO可是一堆炸彈洗出來的 去年還不知道他ISO這麼猛
推 tseng1304:林樣本數太少，數據好都是錯覺，火箭iso有鬍子就夠了
推 eileen86:XDD 怎麼回事
推 MaxScorpio:我只希望他平平安安
推 Eric0605:林ISO時好像是會看人吃 ..不會硬打
推 eileen86:他比較偏速度型 然後抓時間差切入成功率蠻高的
推 claire612:等下又會有海巡出去說林迷黑哈登和CP了（攤手）
→ wuling1001:腦補又怎樣黑又怎樣? 你祖罵我就是不爽就是要黑咬我啊
→ wuling1001:要說要罵就說好了 老娘理直氣壯怕你啊!!!!!!!!!!哼!!!
推 ts0821: 傳球功力好  會不會也間接提升 iso 的成功...
推 miha80425:答案是不會 傳球就是傳球
推 snow5420:我等著看火箭把Lin送走後會怎樣 被打爆吧
推 royehou:我覺得不一定 擋拆傳的好 切入威力也會提升
推 miha80425:ISO除了乾淨俐落的進球外很看裁判哨音 大多數人不以ISO
→ miha80425:當主要武器
→ eileen86:哈哈 不會拉 人家可是B3耶~ 我十分看好他們
→ miha80425:檔拆就是檔拆了 那不是ISO
推 royehou:阿 抱歉 我一直在腦內跳針文中是指ISO非切入
推 wylscott:所以整體而言 是ISO得分效率高還是擋拆？
推 miha80425:順帶一提Lin做為檔拆發動者FG 51.3% 排21名
→ miha80425:ISO FG40.7% 18名
→ miha80425:當然不是說ISO就比檔拆差 這兩個都是後衛取分的主力武器
→ miha80425:ISO絕對可以避免傳球帶來的失誤
→ miha80425:檔拆則是較穩定的拿分手段 只要不奶油的話...
推 tseng1304:某西馬上中槍XDDD
推 miha80425:不過Lin在傳球的掌握度上要多加強 或更果決攻擊籃框也行
→ miha80425:往往傳球TO 都是太刻意傳造成
推 eileen86:其實OT也有因為隊友跑位不積極 卻算在林頭上 (<-酸隊友
推 miha80425:這跟火箭對Lin的定位不明有很大的關係...我選擇不黑球員
→ miha80425:在火箭P&R man最好的DH 大都跟鬍子配合演繹
→ miha80425:Lin很少看到能跟DH來個配合的  鬍子缺賽時才有些印象
推 Mentha:Lin得到擋拆機會感覺真的不多...
→ Mentha:印象中即便Harden養傷期間每場出現跟DH P&R配合的次數
→ Mentha:應該也不會超過兩次
→ Mentha:去年是大家都還不熟所以擋拆也Call的哩哩辣辣
→ Mentha:今年是戰術都變了 Lin自己在戰術上的地位也變了...
推 miha80425:Lin根本被叫去當SG+等球射手用 火箭也不要他練默契
→ miha80425:最令人諷刺的是 等球還等輸命中率爆爛的小貝...
推 Aswind:說實在 這種對林的使用法 林跟DH的默契不怎樣 跟TJ、ASIK還
→ Aswind:不錯... / 今天看哈登打 他過半場會傳給PB 但當他搭配林時
→ Aswind:卻鮮少主動傳給林 真不知道他們之間是如何分配
推 Mentha:要談論Harden跟Lin之間的搭配問題可能就要腦補很多了
→ Mentha:不要用腦補這個老是會引起戰爭的字眼
→ Mentha:那就用模擬思考來講好了 XD
推 Mentha:不如這樣說好了 Lin持球過半場的時候Harden不是先出來要球
→ Mentha:不然就是站45度角忙自己的
→ Mentha:所以先不談什麼搭配還默契啥的 我認為教練組就是沒給明確的
→ Mentha:指令說  假設Lin這時候在盤球然後大家四散開來 請問這時候
→ Mentha:Lin可能會做什麼? 可能會需要什麼支援?
→ Mentha:我看到的狀況卻是只要Lin盤球在準備發動的機會下
→ Mentha:大多時候頂多Call TJ或者DH或者Asik出來幫擋看看
→ Mentha:然後就我觀察這樣擋拆的發動即使有了也常常不完整
→ Mentha:結果就會反過來說Lin自己試著撕裂防守圈突破 或者傳給
→ Mentha:Parsons或Harden甚或TJ
→ Mentha:所以結論 我只能說Lin在那邊盤球 不論Harden在不在
→ Mentha:都不會得到非常明確的支援或者小組搭配
→ Mentha:我甚至認為去年Lin得到的支援都還比今年多了很多
→ Mentha:今年的Lin就是個如果有需要的時候要自己來或者自己想辦法
→ Mentha:的隊員 至於有Harden同時在場的時候 請把球給Harden
→ Mentha:這樣子隊友就會比較知道怎麼動了
→ Mentha:至於Harden持球的時候 我推論火箭要求Harden自己處理
→ Mentha:讓Harden自己去學習 至於Harden怎麼判斷給球跟主動出擊
→ Mentha:這個就要看Harden自己的想法了
推 Mentha:真要說的話 我認為甚至Harden都搞不太清楚Lin跟他同時在
→ Mentha:場的時候到底要讓Lin幹嘛
推 erotica:Big 3 + 替補豪 同場的陣勢是這樣
→ erotica:1.哈登帶 直接由哈登決定要給內線單打 擋拆 盤球準備iso
→ erotica:2.阿豪帶 過半場SF繞45度出來  阿豪公式化把球交出
→ erotica:  哈登從另一邊繞到弧頂  SF決定要給內線單打或給哈登
→ erotica:一樣的是阿豪沒事以後就去底角  除非以上公式受到防守阻撓
推 Mentha:..抱歉插個話 簡單來說就是盤球過半場後給球還有底角射手
→ erotica:或者是其他人開始發動進攻了  阿豪才能繞到45度角接應
→ Mentha:恩...這樣說起來其實定位也蠻明確的...
推 erotica:基本上阿豪直接給哈登的球不多  火箭戰術就是要先繞一下SF
→ erotica:但如果是阿豪頂鬍子打替補SG的時候  阿豪可沒有這種繞出來
→ erotica:到弧頂拿球主導攻勢的接球 (很少)   反而PB小AB還會自己
推 Mentha:所謂的繞一下SF是指請SF位置或者PF位置的人出來接應嗎?
→ erotica:當起攻勢發動者......
→ Mentha:恩...所以簡單來說就是Lin變得比較不是攻勢發動者這樣
推 erotica:我覺得是SF餵給DH以後  give&go空切威力比較夠
→ erotica:所以火箭要這樣讓SF決定餵鬍子或DH
推 Mentha:原來如此 其實也可以理解
→ Mentha:火箭空切最好的除了Parsons剩下TJ跟GS了吧
→ Mentha:然後GS沒有投射能力 不太能跟Howard配
推 fluffyradish:記得總版有人拿數據打臉說CP ISO切入好
ISO不完全等於切入  假若沒意外你說的  總板那個是說CP切入命中率高
※ 編輯: ghghfftjack     來自: 134.208.32.48        (12/17 00:20)
推 avantgardej:這樣的話三國分析真的蠻有邏輯性的
→ avantgardej:感謝分享
推 monk2:單論持球單打，火箭後場還有一個小AB、只是比較沒愛 ...