作者roxinnccu (觸身球專家)
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標題Re: [新聞]楊甦棣:藍委承認當初反軍購都是在玩政治
時間Sat Jun 27 19:17:50 2009
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作者: roxinnccu (觸身球專家) 看板: DPP
標題: Re: [新聞]楊甦棣:藍委承認當初反軍購都是在玩政治
時間: Sat Jun 27 09:00:17 2009
※ 引述《khan (良率拉鋸戰)》之銘言:
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: 最後一段DPP該學著點,KMT就是可以虎爛這麼多人的在玩政治!
1.民進黨當初推的軍購建案本身是有問題的,無可否認
怎麼的有問題法,你可以自己去MDC這種論壇找看看
某位立場比較偏綠的先進也只是說,
『可以先通過然後執行中再由國民黨利用國會多數監督執行修正而不是一開始就擋』
(主要v.s潛艦預算)
這至少足見最大最貴的潛艦預算部分在初始編列上是有問題的
那類似這位先進這種,
不苛責提案民進黨行政單位完善預算編列,
卻希望立法單位先通過後,在執行中由國會多數的國民黨去監督修正的說法
你能不能接受,我就不知道了,我個人是無法接受
我個人當然很想要潛艦,我也很知道潛艦對台灣是有幫助的
但我的態度是:
『如果你給我知道我這四千億下去執行後可以看到八條親潮級我就贊成』
問題是,當初的建案,事實上是到現在潛艦建案的構型都只是白紙黑字
不過,當時國民黨一些立委的反應也的確非常豬頭,不乏位居高層者
容我學楊某處長保留一下不點名省得被告
2.當時民進黨的軍購一樣是在玩政治
請問那個公投是怎麼回事?陳水扁還自己承認自己拿軍購議題在搞公投玩政治
還把04年的勝選歸功於那個軍購公投!!!!
你有沒有被陳水扁虎爛的感覺?
說實在,軍事本就是政治的延伸,當有人把軍事議題政治化時更加如是
但在台灣的軍購政治操作無疑是太二分法化了
推有問題建案的一方,狂推也不管自己建案的問題,然後把反對的人都打成賣台
反對的一方也沒完全抓到點,講出一大堆似是而非的論調
更可悲的這就是我們最大的兩個政黨的腦袋
其實到現在也還是一樣,『中庸』基本不存在政客腦袋裡
被楊處長說成是『不成熟』的民主也是剛好而已
3.附上AIT官方的訪問原文,自由時報翻了一半,沒把問題跟後面的河蟹翻出來
Battle over Defense Budget
ELLA CHOU, COMMERCIAL TIMES: Director, I look back on these three years
that you have spent in Taiwan, and a lot of things have happened, some
quite exciting, some embarrassing. What do you think is the biggest
accomplishment you have made? I also remember the November 2006 press
conference you gave us in this room. You asked the Legislative Yuan to
pass the budget for arms sales as soon as possible, but that made our
lawmakers quite angry. Especially the KMT legislators -- they asked
the United States to recall you. So how did you get through this?
(換言之,是記者針對楊問他針對軍購議題他對國民黨立委的看法)
DIRECTOR YOUNG: I just happened to be at dinner with a number of
legislators, many of them from the KMT, last night. An individual
who is very high ranking in the KMT Legislative Caucus answered your
question better than I ever could. The subject of the controversy
back in November 2006, over my remarks urging the Legislature to pass
a defense budget that allowed for the purchase of new weapons, came up
in our discussion.
(who is very high ranking in the KMT Legislative Caucus?
那不是王金平本人就是黨團書記長 or 總召,誰去訪問這三人一下吧)
『He said: "You were right, we were wrong; it was just politics." 』
(自由報導重點就在這裡,以下是自由沒翻的河蟹)
More concretely, I think the Taiwan Legislature -- in a bipartisan
fashion -- has provided the kind of budgets that have allowed not only
for specific weapons purchases but also for a general focus on the
modernization of Taiwan's defensive capabilities in the last couple of
years, particularly in summer and fall of 2007, before the election.
(以下是楊處長在開玩笑)
Can I think about the accomplishment question and get back to you at
the end of the press conference? I'm inclined to say, "bicycling
from Hualien to Chihpen and from Chihpen back to Hualien with a "nifeng"
[headwind]." Three hundred seventy kilometers in two days!
3.不過這篇新聞至少可以證明,
什麼美國顧慮馬英九親中而在軍購議題上遲疑的說法,完全是『犬菊花風』
他喵的老美急著賣的很呢~~~急到會把吃飯閒磕牙講的話拿來公開記者會講XDDD
: 話說回來,這個馬政府,搞不好會在這傢伙卸任前送他個大禮:開放美國進口牛肉!
: 因為馬政府連三聚氰胺的黑心中國貨都拼命想放進來了,以玩政治方式
: 開放目前仍有問題的牛肉也是理所當然的!
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