[轉錄][外絮] Look Ahead: Trade For Nocioni?

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作者: nogoodlaugh (Lucky Ball) 看板: Celtics
標題: [外電] Look Ahead: Trade For Nocioni?
時間: Sat Sep 19 15:27:01 2009

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作者: Jeff Clark

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Tom Ziller of Sactown Royalty brings up an interesting question for Kings
fans.  Should Andres Nocioni be traded?  The overwhelming response seems to
indicate that he should be.  The Kings are rebuilding and focusing on youth
and saving money for next offseason.  Nocioni doesn't help them with either
priority.


國王的球迷們 你覺得Nocioni該被交易嗎? 一面倒的回覆都是交易他吧

因為國王正在重建 需要在意的是年輕的新血以及為了下一季清出薪資空間


The question that exists now is whether heart and spirit (and the
aforementioned talent) is still a need to the degree it was, and if not
whether Nocioni's $21 million heart and spirit (and talent) makes enough of a
difference to hold onto him beyond the trade deadline, assuming there are
suitors?


不重要~


The aforementioned $21 million is what Nocioni is owed over the next 3
seasons (he has a team option for a 4th year as well).  As mentioned, that is
quite a paycheck for a guy that is more heart than talent.  But while he
doesn't do much for a rebuilding team, he'd be an excellent fit on a
championship contending team.  Could the Celtics be interested ...again?


接下來三季Nocioni的薪資要2100萬鎂 這價錢超值 但這對重建中隊伍沒意義

他應該去的是有奪冠競爭力的球隊 而C's會對他感到興趣嗎?


Rumors from the trade deadline indicate that the Celtics and Kings were in
serious trade negotiations for Nocioni.  Chad Ford reported the following at
the time.

去年交易截止前有乳摸說C's跟國王在籌劃交易~


We've heard conflicting claims from both teams on who withdrew first.

Yet we do have agreement that the Celtics and Kings talked seriously Thursday
about sending Nocioni to Boston, which seemingly would have been a huge coup
for that team, given the hole created by James Posey's departure in the
offseason. Nocioni is a rugged, versatile, 2-position forward who does a lot
of the same stuff Posey did.


當時C's認真的在談這筆交易 Nocioni可以填補Posey的空缺 他是個好的搖擺人


The deal likely would have required Boston to part with at least four players
from its oft-criticized bench: Glen Davis, Brian Scalabrine, Patrick O'Bryant
and the injured Tony Allen.

那時的交易名單包括大寶 吉祥物 O'Bryant & ToAllen


Since that trade was discussed, Glen Davis improved his game (and resigned
with the team) and Tony Allen came up short on what may be his last chance to
prove himself in Boston.  Also, the Celtics have added Rasheed Wallace and
Marquis Daniels and the Kings have added more young players to the mix.  But
would these teams revisit these talks sometime before the trade deadline?


但是當那交易在討論時大寶證明了自己的能耐(也續留在C's了)

ToAllen也回到場上 希望能抓住最後一個證明自己的機會

當然 C's也補進了Sheed 和 丹丹   但國王跟C's還會再次談起這交易嗎?


For the Kings, the pricetag on Nocioni may be coming down.  Tom Ziller
concludes:

Now, is an expiring contract enough incentive to trade Nocioni? Moving him
for $0 in 2010-11 salary would give the Kings $18-22 million in cap space
next summer. (Enough to sign LeBron!) But given the likelihood of the Kings
actually spending $18-22 million next summer, perhaps trading for talent or
draft picks with salary relief as a minor concern could be in order.


將Nocioni交易出去可以在明年清出18~2200萬鎂的空間(都夠用來簽李柏榕了!)

但是國王在明年夏天花兩千萬的機率極低 更有可能的是交易來一些樂透簽或是

有潛力的球員


So they would like to get talent and cap space for Andres, and who can blame
them?  But who knows what other offers they will receive before the deadline?

For the Celtics, I do think they'd still be at least interested.  He has a
fiery tenacity that makes him perfect for playoff basketball.   Like Posey
before him, he would be able to fill in for Pierce and take some of the
defensive assignments that Marquis Daniels wouldn't be able to handle because
of his lack of bulk.  In fact, if Pierce ever missed any time this year, I
would think that this deal would at least be revisited as an option.  He does
have a large deal (which is what scared Ainge off of Posey last summer), but
the annual salary actually decreases each year.


那誰能給國王有潛力的球員呢? C's還是對Nocioni有興趣的

Nocioni有強烈的韌性 讓他能在季後賽做出貢獻 就像Posey之所做的

它能補上PP 然後防守一些丹丹守不了 比較大隻的球員 事實上 假如PP今年缺席了

某些比賽 這交易就會再次被放到檯面上 雖然Nocioni的確不便宜(跟Posey喊出的讓安吉

打退堂鼓的價錢差不多) 不過至少他每年的薪資是逐漸在減少的~

                         (感謝RonArtest93 feelike大大提供情資~)


The principals are still in place for a deal.  The Celtics can still offer
Scalabrine and Tony Allen as expiring contracts.  The trade checker rejects a
straight deal of Scal and Tony for Nocioni but it only falls about 7K short.
 I'm sure the Kings would like someone like Bill Walker.  Perhaps Ainge would
be willing to give them Walker or Giddens (whomever falls behind on the depth
chart).  Draft picks don't count in salary matching purposes, so that's not
necessary unless the teams think there's an imbalance in value.


C's可以提供吉祥物&ToAllen的到期合約 但這被駁回 因為薪資還差了7K

不過國王應該會對一些年輕小將有興趣exB.Walker 或許安吉會給國王Walker或

Giddens

So what do you think?  Would you want to trade for Nocioni?  What would you
be willing to give up?  When would you want to make such a deal (now or at
the deadline)?


所以你們是怎麼想的呢?會想交易來Nocioni嗎?又願意用什麼去換他呢?

何時要做這筆交易呢?現在還是交易期限截止前?



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推 RonArtest93 :先推翻譯
推 small2th    :推外電
→ RonArtest93 :然後我想用Nocioni換KG 既然對方肯用B.Walker換了
推 gaiaesque   :KG...............搶人喔=.=
→ nogoodlaugh :其實這傳聞也不能說不合理 各取所需阿
→ nogoodlaugh :國王清到空間 又拿到一個挺有潛力的新秀
→ yitong52    :年年說重建 年年都墊底 年年搶不到狀元
→ yitong52    :對國王本季還是不期不待 清空間大咖也未必肯來
推 rahim1211   :塞隊拿到Nocioni的話實在太邪惡了
推 kuchibu     :換那些人倒不如不要換...= ="
→ clkdtm32    :去魔術吧
推 RonArtest93 :NOCI的薪資是逐年減少的沒錯
→ nogoodlaugh :了解 感謝~!
※ 編輯: nogoodlaugh     來自: 118.161.169.149      (09/19 15:58)
推 celestial318:是講Nocioni的沒錯 還蠻好用的
→ capalari    :各取所需什麼? 這年頭只想著搶劫別人家好球員
→ capalari    :丟下一句"重建" "清薪資" 就要拿XX換別人家好球員
→ capalari    :讓我想起過去別隊幫籃網喊重建 急著幫籃網賣Kidd
推 feelike     :C大，這就是GM的工作呀，搶人家好球員，能力差被搶
→ feelike     :怪球隊老闆找了個爛GM吧，這可是GM的戰爭
→ capalari    :想要好球員沒人怪你 但是不要想要搶別人球員又說的已
→ capalari    :經很替你著想了 你也沒吃虧對吧?
推 BrentRoy    :以前的公牛要角說...
推 feelike     :要師出有名嘛!!!!歷史上打著仁義背地殘忍比比皆是
推 pheather    :要掏腰包付幾千萬美金的是老闆啊,球迷們當然都不能接
→ pheather    :受把"清薪資"當成交易的主要目的,但從近年幾筆大交易
→ pheather    :例如Gasol,就知道錢還是促成交易的主要誘因
推 capalari    :我不是這個意思 先搞清楚Nocioni是怎麼來的吧
→ capalari    :他是用合約比他短的鮭魚換來的 清薪資?
→ capalari    :國王這幾年除了Webber 沒有幹過什麼清薪資的行為
→ capalari    :Bibby和Artest是合約要到期了 不想續簽才做交易
→ capalari    :看看國王的薪資表 明年除了Beno 沒人需要清了
推 pheather    :是 Brad + Salmons <=> Nocioni + Gooden (buy-out)
推 capalari    :Miller的合約又更短了 加進來不會比較像清薪資
→ capalari    :去年那種戰績留大米也沒什麼用 但Nocioni還沒這麼老
→ capalari    :如果Nocioni會被用來清薪資 他當初就不會到國王了
推 pheather    :那你的說法可以套用在現在的Nocioni嗎? "現在的戰績
→ pheather    :留Nocioni也沒什麼用"
推 capalari    :年齡不一樣 這筆交易主要就是鮭魚換Nocioni
→ capalari    :如果Nocioni的薪資對國王是負擔 又何必用鮭魚去換
推 eliczone    :了解國王的就知道 薪資已經在去年都清光了 現在要的
→ eliczone    :是潛力 但B.Walker？ 抱歉 Petrie還沒腦殘成這樣
→ eliczone    :拿Rondo來換就接受XDD Noc可不差
→ eliczone    :簡單來說 有可能會交易 但不太可能跟賽隊 因為賽隊可
→ eliczone    :以放的國王不想要 國王要的不可能放
→ Gunsroses   :借轉國王版
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推 bibby0110375:只有T-allen能看