[轉錄][轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板]

作者: danielprince (丹尼爾王子) 看板: NBA
標題: [轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin
時間: Mon Feb  8 23:19:07 2010

※ [本文轉錄自 Celtics 看板]

作者: SULICon (Puff Gasoft) 看板: Celtics
標題: [Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin
時間: Mon Feb  8 21:11:40 2010

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作者:Ken Berger

Celtics, Allen on trade clock

Few grand conclusions can be drawn from February NBA games. But in this case,
the Celtics' latest disappointing loss only underscored what has been a poorly
kept secret among NBA executives for weeks: Ray Allen's time in Boston is
likely coming to an end.

Thanks to a non-competitive third quarter, the Celtics fell to Orlando 96-89 on
Sunday, dropping them to third in the East behind the Cavs and Magic. The
struggling Celtics still have three games against Cleveland to prove they
haven't fallen from elite status. But after going 1-3 against Orlando and 0-4
against Atlanta, the Celtics have reached a crossroads in their bid to milk one
more championship banner out of the Allen-Paul Pierce-Kevin Garnett era.


Don't bet on every member of the Big Three being around beyond the Feb. 18
trade deadline.

Though team president Danny Ainge has publicly ridiculed the Allen trade
reports, several NBA executives told CBSSports.com that the Celtics have been
actively trying to parlay Allen's $19.7 million expiring contract into an asset
that could keep them in the mix during the upcoming playoffs and also help them
for the next several seasons. The most recent inquiry, sources say, involved
Sacramento sharpshooter Kevin Martin, who'd be a good fit with Boston's
remaining core. Kings officials might be talked out of their reluctance to deal
Martin if they could pry a prolific big man out of a third team brought into
the discussions or in a separate transaction before the deadline.


The bottom line is that Ainge, who saved his job by pulling off the perfect
storm of trades that yielded Allen and Garnett three years ago, has made it
clear in private conversations that he's "not going back to the abyss,"
according to one person familiar with the discussions.


"Danny has said, 'I can't go back to square one where we were prior to the
Garnett deal,'" the person said. "At the All-Star break, they’re going to look
in the mirror and say, 'Cleveland got better, we can't beat Orlando, and we
can't even beat the Hawks. We’re not going to win it this year.'"

If the Celtics kept Allen and let his contract come off the books, they'd still
be over the cap this summer with no avenues besides sign-and-trades to acquire
a starting shooting guard. That's why Boston also has expressed interest in the
Bulls' Kirk Hinrich, an excellent defender and ball-handler who would give the
Celtics a starting two guard next season at $9 million and in 2011-12 at $8
million. The Bulls' motivation would be cap relief.

The Kings, who are not planning to be big free-agent shoppers this summer,
aren't seeking to acquire cap space alone. They want assets -- and the Celtics
don't have a young big man to offer. The Bulls, who almost certainly will move
Tyrus Thomas, might need to be invited into that conversation to satisfy
everyone's needs.

Whatever avenue they pursue, the Celtics don't want to go into this summer with
no cap flexibility and no assets that could be used to keep them among the
elite. Before Ainge struck the 2007 draft-related deal for Allen and then
plucked Garnett from Minnesota with the help of former teammate Kevin McHale,
the Celtics had just endured a 24-win season and hadn't been out of the first
round since 2002-03. Ainge and Doc Rivers were on the brink of getting fired
until the perfect remedy presented itself -- and the Celtics parlayed the Allen
and Garnett deals into their 17th NBA title.

"Kevin McHale's out of the league," one rival executive said, only half-joking.
"So they're not going to be able to recreate that deal again."

The period leading up to that was so grim that nobody in the organization wants
to revisit it. The best way to avoid such a scenario would be to part ways with
Allen. It wouldn't be starting over. Instead, it would be a bold attempt to
have a chance against Cleveland, Orlando, and Atlanta in the playoffs and avoid
going back to the depths of rebuilding.

Would you trade Ray Allen for Kevin Martin?

72%   Yes  ████████   902 votes

27%   No   ███             349 votes

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推 gapcel      :險路勿近啊~不過我們真的需要個妹妹頭殺手...
推 nick13tw    :順便把Rando一起打包換evans吧..
推 ckshera     :完了
→ brominelove :rumor愈來愈多了 看來今年說不定會成真…
推 iecdalu     :唉~希望三巨頭不要拆夥啊 阿炮走就超惋惜的
推 gaiaesque   :no.........
推 xhole       :KM太玻璃人了吧 風險頗高的投資
推 pohao522    :乳摸講不完～無止盡的迴圈！等成真再說～
→ fk920       :72% 是C's官網投票的結果嗎...orz
→ aringring   :ray不要走！走了我就沒動力早起看比賽了............
推 nogoodlaugh :Martin健康的話 進攻可期待 防守會是洞
→ nogoodlaugh :不過只拿到Martin...也不太想換 應該還有更棒的交易
→ nogoodlaugh :加個Casspi好了...慢慢想XD
推 boy80421    :NO!!!!!!!!
推 wilson78225 :完了
推 fascinated  :如果ray得走 希望能把ray送去強隊 想看他打季後賽
→ fascinated  :老實說 如果好好用ray能撐至少2-3年 像hill那樣
→ fascinated  :希望看到的是他光榮退休 不是被遺棄而淡出NBA
推 atyin       :有看到三方交易換來Igoudala   這我還比較能接受
→ david760615 :會有乳摸不意外 第三節先發打這麼爛 全部都該被幹譙
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推 NicoRobin26 :...
→ NicoRobin26 :YES的好多
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推 hihi29:那個加個Casspi的推文簡直欺人太甚!!!
推 sk050607:拿一個當家年輕王牌去換一個已經走下坡明星  當我們白痴?
推 felmizan:一對一都不換了還加小卡
推 a00779928:重點是 拿射手換射手 有什麼意義阿 -.- ?
→ a00779928:我們要的是禁區黑柱
推 MB10:夕陽明星換明日之星，怎麼看都划算啊
推 eliczone:就說了 會弄來一個第三隊 如果要交易的話
→ kingpredrag:他們在自己隊板推的文不用太計較啦，我們自己也是一直
→ kingpredrag:肖想別人的好菜阿。
推 arkod:終於知道被提搶劫式交易的感受了？      ( ￣ c￣)y▂ξ
推 sk050607:希望能出現有關於禁區的交易  而不是後場在那邊亂搞= =
推 santabrelai:如果Ray Gun被超賽賣掉，那麼我們到底是在看籃球還是
→ santabrelai:吃速食？兩年前情深意重一起拼冠軍，今年績效下降就要
→ santabrelai:揮手掰掰。2004 F4開始帶槍投靠後，什麼好像都亂了。
推 kingpredrag:還好吧，又不是賣PP，再拖下去他們又要進入黑暗期了
→ santabrelai:明天拿冠軍變成唯一重要的事，自由市場就是丟錢大戰。
→ kingpredrag:說到交易，最狠的是我們總管
→ kingpredrag:我不暸當初allen為何要離開超音速，但沒有對母隊不離
推 santabrelai:我會覺得賣這筆很關鍵，是因為我認為超賽這陣容還有奪
→ kingpredrag:不棄，老了被拿來當籌碼也只是剛好而已。
→ santabrelai:冠實力，我們的陣容則比較像進去卻不能衝冠軍
→ Yocoldagain:賣PP Boston會天翻地覆吧XD
→ Yocoldagain:在雜誌上看到的 Boston有其傳統 不做那種萊里式的交易
→ Yocoldagain:要產生新王朝 最大的機會還是把Allen丟到tb上 不然依
推 kingpredrag:我想他們總管比較理性，而球迷通常比較感性
→ kingpredrag:3巨頭再猛也沒幾年了，趕快找備胎才是正確的選擇
→ Yocoldagain:照普賽的實力 今年季後賽能走多遠呢...
→ kingpredrag:allen換Iggy或馬丁並不會比較弱阿，而且年輕很多
→ kingpredrag:不過他們還是去肖想Iggy比較實在
→ Yocoldagain:KM+Noc+阿姆+未來選秀 for Allen Perkins？
→ Yocoldagain:Noc 是之前傳過的 阿姆則彌補對上失去中鋒的損失
→ Yocoldagain:Perkins兩年約(雖然我覺得他是超賽的非賣品XD)
→ Yocoldagain:看還有啥可以加加減減的...
推 santabrelai:我覺得理性到Ray就等同到期約的想法，讓我心寒
→ santabrelai:或許這筆交易可以讓超賽繼續成為強權，可是這個交易也
→ santabrelai:沒有一定要作的必要性？（當然是還沒成真啦）
→ santabrelai:Rondo和Perkins中Rondo依然可以當成新的中心，重新圍
→ santabrelai:繞打造下一個世代，成功性有多少我不知道
→ santabrelai:或許會讓超賽短期內無法在東區突圍，但依然可以是季後
→ santabrelai:賽的競爭者
推 kingpredrag:webber被賣走之後就免疫啦，不會心寒了XD
→ Yocoldagain:還是老話一句 也不看看我們總管叫啥名字...~.~"
→ kingpredrag:我們也當了好幾年的季後賽競爭者阿，如果早點看清也許
→ kingpredrag:現在杜蘭朵公主或老臉就在我們家了
→ Yocoldagain:Perkins+Rondon+PP(應該終生綠血人吧XD) 應該有資格衝
→ Yocoldagain:擊第二輪了...只是他們要的是王朝or霸權...
推 eliczone:不要小看雷槍在超賽的位子 超賽的外線幾乎是靠他一個人在
推 eliczone:撐 (當然還有房子 但威脅性有差) RW和PP的外線也不是主要
推 eliczone:而且打球很聰明 但單換KM？ 除非Petrie瘋了才會答應
推 eliczone:一堆人真的把KM看得很低....
推 kingpredrag:還有人問說把馬丁換來超賽誰要扛外線XD
→ DeAmorFati:不讓你換!
推 ree001122:看到有人連KM是射手都不知道 就一肚子火 = =
推 winnabe:虧到爆 換的話Petrie拖去肛好了
推 tahikuro:馬丁防守市不好 但是考慮艾倫的年靈跟下一個球季正常的
→ tahikuro:退化狀況 他的防守可以高出顛峰期的馬丁多少
→ Yocoldagain:小玲中肯XD
推 mtmmy:反正戰績差的球隊裡的球員都是爛咖 在某些人眼中這很合理阿
推 tahikuro:馬丁守不住至少可以跟對手互幹分數 聯盟頂尖的得分效率
→ Yocoldagain:KM跟Allen差8歲耶
→ tahikuro:跟得分能力 還有SG之中罕見的製造犯規那有這麼差
→ tahikuro:皮爾斯也是需要有人分擔進攻責任 現在他也是老了
推 winnabe:某505連KM是誰都不知道勒 還在問他是射手嗎 = =
→ tahikuro:還要扛下得分大任跟關鍵進攻也太折磨他
噓 Garcia32:看到總版一堆人不認識km就亂貶低就不爽
推 mtmmy:某505就是見識少了點阿 犯不著跟他生氣XD
→ tahikuro:另外馬丁在國王的控球不怎麼樣的最近幾年得分可以一直漲
→ tahikuro:假如搭配朗多的一流傳球加上他找尋空檔和把握出手機會的
→ tahikuro:絕對嗅覺 得分的威力效率恐怕更上一層
→ tahikuro:打錯 絕佳的嗅覺
→ kikijuice:個人認為就算換過去還是需要磨合 不一定會更好
→ Yocoldagain:還在想絕對嗅覺是類似絕對音感那樣嗎...
→ kikijuice:Celtics不太替Ray作戰術 我也想不到會替KM作戰術的理由
→ kikijuice:Raygun平時再比賽時持球時間也不多 不太有時間熱機
→ kikijuice:季初受傷前的KM換過去應該適應會比較快 現在 不樂觀
→ kikijuice:個人認為Ainge不會這麼莽撞
推 tahikuro:馬丁自己找出機會的能力很好 即使沒有戰術設定他應該也是
推 eliczone:KM如果真的到超賽會非常恐怖 因為他只需要專心得分就好了
推 eliczone:防守！？ 拜託...超賽的防守不像國王一樣 不會這麼容易崩
推 ourear:雖然很希望快點來個交易換換手氣.但這筆交易實在太虧了
→ eliczone:潰 再加上超賽現在需要的就是KM這型的球員 死都不換
推 eliczone:虧到爆 換來雷槍也不知道要幹嘛..我們的後場太擠了
推 tahikuro:沒有問題 而且他很努力衝近籃下 吸引犯規的能力很強
推 winnabe:換雷槍除了清薪資帶小號 其他我想不出來有啥用
→ tahikuro:馬丁受傷回來狀況恢復不錯 假如不是伊文斯的存在
→ tahikuro:其實作用已經跟受傷以前差不多了
推 ourear:清薪資明年有辦法盤到bosh嗎.一樣的4號.一樣的名.CW4->CB4
推 eliczone:不太可能 因為我們還是爛隊 他應該想要去奪冠熱門
→ kikijuice:作用已經跟受傷以前差不多 這點我非常存疑 :(
→ kikijuice:狀況恢復目前其實是尚待改進 離不錯還很遠....
推 tahikuro:馬丁的狀況逐穩定 最近幾場比賽他大致上接近受傷以前的
→ kikijuice:打籃球不是一加一等於二
→ kikijuice:光拿Box來看 只有對山貓那場比較好 其餘近四場都很普通
→ kikijuice:為了因應reke，他最近的出手選擇改變或許也是原因之一
→ tahikuro:情況 考慮他必須重新找出配合如何現在的國王去調整跟改變
→ tahikuro:不像是以前那麼的打球也夠好了
→ tahikuro:其實這樣的球員改變自己的打法跟伊文斯搭配是非常需要
→ tahikuro:時間轉變 對於他其實更改打法影響很大
→ tahikuro:成績雖然還有差距 但是重要的出手感覺有回來了
→ tahikuro:只是出手的時機不好掌握 大大降低的效率
推 JerrydBatum:Allen是被超音速交易過去的  = =什麼叫沒有不離不棄
→ JerrydBatum:外電消息還說 剛開始他知道了還很難釋懷呢
推 squall9510:KM感覺是有在配合新國王 在變打法  我也蠻好奇的KM跟
→ squall9510:kidd搭後場會怎樣?
→ kingpredrag:言語太衝有觸犯到allen迷的話，我道歉sorry<(_ _)>
推 larson:紫色字下一段對國王才是真正的重點吧?尋求第三方加入把長人
→ larson:送到沙城,所以並不是單純的Ray for Martin的1換1,何況薪資
→ larson:也並不對等~
推 larson:比方說:http://0rz.tw/ZmIMz
推 eliczone:對...這就是我說的 Petrie只要高個 其他都不要
推 jerod:我看不到方案...囧
推 larson:唔...好像被洗掉了...我的提案是BOS拿Martin+Noci,PHI拿KT+
→ larson:S-Rod,國王拿Ray+Sammy
推 eliczone:哇 這樣phi會同意嗎？ 如果是這樣 我很樂意
→ larson:如果PHI超想省錢,卻又不想丟Iggy的話不無可能啦~
→ larson:這也比拿Iggy+Sammy換T-Mac的風險小一點~
推 santabrelai:唔，看完全文了，我來去修正我的文章Orz
推 XristianBale:如果真的要交易KM 我希望他到很強的隊伍發光發熱~