[外電] Tyreke Evans走後,Vasquez與Thomas的先發競爭

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The Kings landed Vasquez in the Tyreke Evans sign-and-trade, but is the
Venezuelan even better than incumbent Isaiah Thomas?


There's a corollary between Isaiah Thomas and Jason Thompson, Greivis Vasquez
and Carl Landry, the Kings' point guard spot and power forward position.

IT以及JT，Vas與藍追，這兩個組合將在國王競爭PG以及PF的位子。

I.T. and J.T. have been challenged by potential replacements before, and have
come out on top. Thomas has beaten Jimmer Fredette (picked 50 spots higher in
the 2011 NBA Draft) and Aaron Brooks for his job. Thompson first knocked
Mikki Moore out of the starting power forward spot, then beat back challenges
from Landry, Sean May, Chuck Hayes, Thomas Robinson and now Patrick
Patterson. And now Landry is back to try again.

IT跟JT之前就曾經受到一些潛力股的挑戰，而他們佔據了首位。
IT擊敗了寂寞(2011年選秀高了他50順位)和小AB。
JT先擊敗Mikki Moore搶到了先發，之後擊退前來挑戰的藍追、Sean May、海爺、T-Rob
還有現在的PPT。而藍追現在回來復仇了。

Vasquez is the newest challenger to I.T., but it seems really important to
note that unlike Jimmer and Brooks, the Venezuelan is of a totally different
style than Thomas. Fredette and Brooks are pretty similar to I.T. in style:
score-first, pass-second, get out in transition. Vasquez is the Kings' first
pass-first guard since Sergio Rodriguez.

Vas是IT現在最新的挑戰者，但是跟寂寞和小AB的情況不同
，Vas是一個與IT完全不同的類型。
IT、寂寞、小AB這三個人風格相似，得分第一、傳球第二。
Vas是國王自從S-Rod之後第一個傳球第一的後衛(這實在有點悲劇)。

Landry, meanwhile, is coming in as -- in my opinion -- a top reserve. That's
where Top Hat has seen his greatest success in recent years: as a top
frontcourt scoring option off of the bench. It's also worth noting that his
first run as a starter alongside DeMarcus Cousins didn't go too well. So
while Landry is back and likely to steal minutes from Thompson, it's perhaps
not as a direct challenger for the starting job. (Patterson is a different
story.)

藍追，在我看來，是一個頂級的預備。
這是這幾年來Top Hat(這誰?)所得到的最大成功：一個前場的板凳暴徒。
值得注意的是，之前他與表弟同時先發的狀況並不好。
所以藍追會在JT背後偷走他一些時間，這也是另一種爭奪先發的狀況。(PPT是另一回事。)

If you ignore Jimmer for a second and assume rookie Ray McCallum makes the
roster, the Vasquez-Thomas point guard rotation makes a lot of sense. Look at
their 2012-13 per-36 and shooting numbers.

如果你暫時忽略寂寞然後假設新秀Ray McCallum會在輪替裡，Vas跟IT的PG輪替會有很大的
意義。看一下他們12-13的數據。

╔════╦══╦══╦══╦══╦══╦══╦══╦═══╦═══╗
║PLAYER　║PTS ║AST ║REB ║TOV ║2P% ║3P% ║FT% ║3P/FG ║FT/FG ║
╠════╬══╬══╬══╬══╬══╬══╬══╬═══╬═══╣
║Vasquez ║14.5║9.4 ║4.5 ║3.3 ║.461║.342║.805║ 24%  ║ 0.15 ║
╠════╬══╬══╬══╬══╬══╬══╬══╬═══╬═══╣
║Thomas  ║18.7║5.4 ║2.7 ║2.4 ║.491║.358║.882║ 38%  ║ 0.34 ║
╚════╩══╩══╩══╩══╩══╩══╩══╩═══╩═══╝

Isaiah is the better individual player. He scores way more, and does it more
efficiently. (He's also younger [by three years] and currently cheaper.) But
basketball's not an individual game. And we've never seen DeMarcus Cousins
(or Ben McLemore, for that matter) with a pass-first point guard. Vasquez is
certainly a pass-first point guard. Legitimately, his numbers look like Rajon
Rondo lite, right down to the poor jump shooting. (Vasquez's value would go
up if his shot frequency went down, though it's worth noting he's currently
more efficient on threes than twos overall because of the added point on
makes from beyond the arc. His 34 percent from three is the equivalent of 51
percent on twos.)

IT是個比較會獨立取分的球員。他得分較多，而且更有效率(也更年輕而且更便宜)。
但是籃球不是個人的比賽。
而我們也沒有看過表弟(或是Ben McLemore)與一個傳球優先的PG搭配過。
Vas絕對是一個傳球優先的PG。合理地說，他的數據看起來像Rajon Rondo，跳投較
差。
(Vas的價值將會上升，如果他減少出手頻率，但有一點可以注意一下，他的三分比
兩分更有效率，因為在三分線外會多一分[這不是廢話嗎...]。34%的三分命中率相當
於51%的兩分命中率。)這樣IT的三分不是更好?

Both guards are really aggressive, but in different ways: Vasquez is
aggressive in making plays (see those turnovers, too?) and Thomas is an
aggressive scorer. Both do the other thing pretty regularly (Vasquez can
score and I.T. can pass), but the priorities are different. Why? Because, in
my opinion, the skills are different.

這兩個後衛都打得很積極，但是方法不同：Vas積極在於完成PLAY，而IT在於得分。
他們雖然也會做另一件事(IT傳球、Vas得分)，但是優先順序不同。
為什麼？我認為是因為技巧不同。

Because of all this, as the roster stands now, I think Vasquez will end up
the starter but Thomas (if he isn't traded) will be a valuable bench option.
The mystery component in the discussion is defense: I honestly don't know
enough about Vasquez on that end, and frankly we've only seen Thomas on Keith
Smart teams, so we don't know enough about I.T. on that end either. Size
matters in defense, and Vasquez is about 10 inches taller than I.T. But
that's not the whole equation, so clearly that's an unknown. One more note in
the comparison: Vasquez is a better rebounder, and the Kings need rebounding.

基於這些狀況，再觀察陣容，我認為Vas最後會站上先發，而IT(如果沒被交易)會是一個
很有價值的板凳。
會影響這結果的X因子是防守。
我承認我對Vas的了解並不足，坦白說我們也只看過IT在屎馬特系統裡的樣子，所以我們
對他的了解也不夠透徹。
Vas的身高比IT高了10吋，但這並不代表一切，所以這實際上是未知的。
另外一點，Vas的籃板比IT多，而國王需要籃板(找了一堆投籃大隊真的是缺籃板....)。

But I think in the end, it makes more sense to see a playmaker like Vasquez
try his hand with Cousins and either McLemore or Marcus Thornton in the
starting five. I actually think I.T. and Landry would be a fierce
pick-and-roll combo off of the bench, and we know Thomas is a helluva
sparkplug in any role.

但是我認為，在最後，還是取決於Vas與表弟和先發SG(賣檸檬或MT)的搭配。
IT跟藍追會是從板凳出發的PNR組合，而我們知道IT在任何角色都會是巨大的火星塞(?)。

The real question is how Pete D'Alessandro and crew handle this when both
Vasquez and Thomas become restricted free agents in 2014, provided I.T. is
retained. A big part of Thomas's draw is his contract value (dirt cheap).
That's what makes the presence of Ray McCallum (who appears to be an
I.T.-type scoring point) all the more intriguing. Thomas is more valuable as
a trade asset the further from free agency he is. (Why? RFAs like I.T. will
sign smaller contracts than someone like Tyreke Evans, so the team taking him
-- assuming the Kings don't match -- would more easily be able to fit him
under the cap or within a cap exception without giving up an asset.) So, now
and approaching the trade deadline will be the best times to deal I.T. if
you're going to deal him or let him go in a year when he hits the market. If
McCallum shows in Summer League, preseason and early in the season that he
can replicate much of what I.T. does, and if Vasquez is handling the starting
job well, that'd could open the door to flipping Thomas for an asset at the
deadline.

真正的問題是，2014年國王新八奇Pete D'Alessandro會怎麼處理Vas跟IT這兩個RFA。
IT的合約價值很高。這使得Ray McCallum的存在很耐人尋味(他也是與IT同類型的得分PG)。
IT作為交易籌碼比成為自由球員還要有價值。
(Why?IT這種RFA的約比起TE來說更小，所以其他隊伍想要簽他，假如國王不跟進的話，
很難會卡到他們薪資空間。)
所以，在交易截止前是交易IT的最好時機。
如果Ray McCallum在夏季聯盟、熱身賽或季初打出類似IT的數據，
而且Vas在先發又打得不錯，那他們很有可能就會把IT交易出去。

Of course, Jimmer (under contract through 2014-15) could do that too, freeing
up an I.T. trade. But every indication has been that Fredette is not long for
this franchise. We'll see.

當然，寂寞(合約到14-15年球季)也有可能在IT交易案中被解放。
但是種種跡象顯示，他在陣中待不長了。等著看吧。

(Cue the I.T. trade rumor that makes this entire thing irrelevant.)

IT的交易傳聞使得這件事有點不著邊際。

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看了前半段感覺不錯而來翻的我大大的錯了....

後面幾乎都是廢話阿.....

反正他認為Vas跟JT會先發，IT跟藍追會是打PNR的板凳暴徒

但是賣摳龍打出來的話IT會被交易

這篇是寫在Ellis傳聞出來之前

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◆ From: 111.248.162.108
推 yoyoman0529:IT不是RFA吧@@ 下季合約就到期了屬於完全自由球員
→ yoyoman0529:而且IT就是PER 36mins很好看但你給他上場36分鐘，又是
→ yoyoman0529:完全不同的風景，跟Landry打P&R..OMG..IT P&R能力之差
→ strayfate:所以我說我錯了.... 我只看到數據表下第三行就開始翻
→ yoyoman0529:很難想像兩個爛仗幫的能擦出甚麼火花...
→ yoyoman0529:XD
→ strayfate:翻到後面一整個大後悔 不過想說就把他翻完算了...
推 hihi29:負負得正?
推 yhes916103:用TE換來替補IT的球員?麥亂啊！Vas當然是無庸置疑的先
推 yhes916103:發，IT球風就是第六人，球隊進攻不行就想自己幹分
推 yhes916103:真正競爭先發PF的應該是JT跟PPT，看看誰跟表弟搭配的
→ yhes916103:較好就交易另一隻，不過說實在丟誰都很可惜
推 hunight:要幫IT說句話 他的PnR打得不算很爛 只是喜歡馬上跳投的
推 yhes916103:JT有沒有可能轉打C呢？如果這樣看簽下Landry就合理多了
→ hunight:老毛病似乎很難改了
推 BnLou:JT代打C沒問題吧，不過感覺他力量不足，專職打C不好
※ 編輯: strayfate       來自: 111.248.162.108      (07/09 02:23)
推 Ktime:都是IT的新聞 MT怎麼都靜悄悄的??
推 yoyoman0529:JT的下盤不夠壯...IT喔...每次擋完有3/4機率會自幹...
→ yoyoman0529:對手應該在暗自竊笑吧 他差不多定型了 大四加三年級生
推 Gunsroses:推
推 drift024:MWP跟湖人分手了 高層有可能回簽嗎?
推 santabrelai:Top Hat就是Landry，我不確定這是不是他的綽號
→ santabrelai:還是只有STR這樣叫
推 Shinpachi:簽ELLIS我應該會崩潰 EVANS不簽跑去簽這個咖
推 RUD:這次的八奇陣容不知道能不能在西區可怕競爭下殺出
推 duke7814:在樂透區拔得頭籌應該是可以期待
推 nanogiant:MWP是防守型球員，根據目前動作來看不是PDA會簽的類型
推 riceworm:IT明年休賽季有給QO的話  會是受限自由球員唷
推 nanogiant:IT也有QO嗎@@?
推 riceworm:hoopsworld是有的 正常也會這樣簽 以防二輪打出後就走人
→ strayfate:要把註刪掉了XD
※ 編輯: strayfate       來自: 111.248.162.108      (07/09 11:49)
→ WHATABURGER:trade IT, a ball hog
推 kikijuice:個人覺得不管目前陣容怎麼安排，後場防守是全聯盟最破的
推 nanogiant:你確定只有後場嗎...
推 RUD:真。快打旋風 豐玉   成型  普林斯頓再現
推 Shinpachi:難得有一季大家一開始就覺得沒希望  我忽然有點期待了！
→ RUD:但我覺得會比較像普龍拱戰術
→ RUD:對上馬刺，搞不好亂打旋風打出風采  Popo:WT.............