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What can Andrea Bargnani bring to the table? http://ppt.cc/22~I Fact: Andrea Bargnani hasn't shot above 35% from three-point range since 2009-2010. Another fact: He shot 29.6% and 30.9% from beyond the arc in each of the last two seasons. This would appear to be bad news. The Knicks gave up one of the game's best shooters in Steve Novak for a non-rebounding, non-shooting seven-footer who also happens to be allergic to defense. Oh, and he'll cost $11.8 million this upcoming season and $11.5 million the following year, assuming he doesn't (he won't) exercise his early termination option. So what's the good news? There's that fresh start/less pressure/optimism abound thing, which could work. But more reliable than some return-to-form miracle is Bargnani's league-wide reputation -- meaning teams still regard him as a knockdown shooter, even if he might not be. And this matters for a number of reasons, but most importantly because he can actually space the floor. 不得不說Bargnani從09-10賽季以後三分命中率就再也沒超過35%了,他最近兩個賽季是 29.6%跟30.9%。 這聽起來可不妙阿,尼克可是為了他放棄全聯盟最好的三分射手NOVAK,就為了這位要籃板 沒籃板,要投籃沒投藍的7尺高個,更不用說他還很討厭防守,最可怕的是他的薪水還有 兩年2330萬,當然這是假設他執行球員選項的情況,不過我想他應該會執行。 往好的一面想,在一個新的開始,壓力較小,更樂觀的環境,我想迴光返照是有可能的, 更好的是Bargnani的確是聯盟有名的射手,即使他可能不再是了,但他的確可以為尼克創造 進攻空間。 The One-Trick Pony Problem What does that mean, exactly? A basketball team can't just stick shooters around a great dribble-driver or isolation player; if the shooters are incapable of other offensive moves, namely pump fakes and drives/pull-ups on hard closeouts, weak side defenders guarding the shooters can cheat more towards the strong side. Think of it in terms of Steve Novak: A common misconception about his ability to space the floor lies within how defenders guard him. We typically assume that they just latch onto his hip and stay attached to him all over the floor -- any kind of space and he's lethal. This is true, to some degree, particularly when Novak is close to the ball. Here's Novak on the same side as a Pablo Prigioni drive to the basket. After Prigioni turns the corner on the pick-and-roll, both defenders get caught up Tyson Chandler. There's now a gaping hole straight towards the rim, with only Chris Bosh capable up stepping up. Except he doesn't, because Steve Novak is his man, on the strong side and in the passing vicinity. So Bosh feigns help defense, opting for a deterring lunge towards the paint, followed by a quick scramble back. Prigioni walks in for a layup. Though we actively attribute this effect to Steve Novak, it's a common NBA theme these days to shut down the three-point line instead of playing help defense. Teams typically rely on weak side rotations to cover this void, and would rather force penetrators to make longer and more difficult passes to the opposite perimeter or corner. This is why the loss of Novak isn't actually all that detrimental; the defense-siphoning role Novak fills can be handled by any capable shooter. 只有一招的窘境 更準確地說,球隊不能只在單打王身邊布置一堆射手,如果這些射手不具備其他的進攻能力 ,像是投籃假動作,被壓迫時的急停跳投,對方這些防守射手的球員就能更好的去協防。 讓我們談談NOVAK吧-NOVAK創造空間的方法就是站在外線,讓對手不敢放他,一但給他 一點點空間都將是致命的,就某種程度來說,這點是正確的。 讓我們看張圖 圖:http://ppt.cc/A83T NOVAK跟老普在同一側,老普擋拆後往底角走,兩個防守者跟著老錢了,現在老普能切進 籃筐,此時對手只有BOSH能協防,但BOSH沒有去協防,他只是假裝往三秒區移動,之後 繼續看守NOVAK,因為他不敢放NOVAK在三分線空檔拿球,所以老普上籃得分。 讓我們用影片說明:http://ppt.cc/-Wou 我們可以把這成果歸功於NOVAK,不過現在的NBA更願意守死外線也不選擇補防,現在的球隊 大多以弱側輪轉來補防,更願意讓傳球者往另外一邊走來做較困難的傳球,這就是為什麼 失去NOVAK並沒有那麼糟,在從另外一方面來說,NOVAK的防守能力我想很多人都可以補上。 But the real problem surfaces on the weak side. See here, when Novak is in the opposite corner in transition (not pictured, but he's in the right corner), while his defender, Donald Sloan, is light-years away. Moments later, Prigioni fires a cross-court swing pass right into Novak's arms. But Sloan recovers, despite having to cover a lot of ground, and Novak hits him with a pump fake. Sloan flies by, and is actually behind Novak as he begins his move towards the rim. Except Novak can't capitalize on Sloan's momentum carrying him the wrong way; his lack of explosion to the rim allows Sloan to reestablish position moments later, eventually pushing Novak towards the sideline and an errant pass. But the key, here, isn't so much Sloan's recovery speed as it is his recovery effort. When you watch the play below, notice that he closes out at full speed with no regard for a pump fake or blow by. Instead of closing out with choppy feet to hedge against a move towards the basket, his only purpose is to prevent a Steve Novak shot attempt. And that's the Novak problem, in a nutshell. The inherent spacing value his shooting brings is undermined by his inability to capitalize on overzealous closeouts. Defenses know this, and actively run him off the three-point line with full sprint closeouts and without consequence. And because they're running at top speed, they can stretch their coverage distance. The result is more help on the strong side, reducing the threat of a, say, Carmelo Anthony drive. Novak's essential spacing purpose is rendered moot. 但更現實的問題時,讓我們用另外一張圖來說明 圖:http://ppt.cc/nf1F 看這張圖,在快攻時NOVAK在另外一側的角落(沒拍到),而他的防守者Donald Sloan還在 好幾光年遠的位子。 圖:http://ppt.cc/aF0G 老普很快地把球長傳到NOVAK手上,雖然距離很遠,但Sloan還是跑過來了,這時NOVAK虛晃 一招,Sloan馬上就被騙開了,NOVAK同一時間向籃框前進,但因為NOVAK的爆發力不足, Sloan很輕鬆的再次追上NOVAK,並迫使他跑出邊線,傳球失誤。 這裡得要稱讚一下Sloan的防守真的很積極,你自己看一下影片,你會發現Sloan根本不在乎 被騙開,因為他只要追上NOVAK,並讓他沒有選擇遠射,他就達成目的了。 影片:http://ppt.cc/22~I 這是NOVAK的問題,因為他無法好好利用這種積極的貼身防守,導致他的拉開空間效果, 沒想像中的有效,防守者也知道他這個弱點,所以會拚死的貼身防守他,只要是積極地衝 過來防守就好,由於他們是全力跑過來,他們能擴大防守範圍,加強強側的協防,也能減少 尼克強側的進攻,像是瓜的切入,這也讓NOVAK的拉開空間能力變得無用武之地。 Enter Andrea Bargnani. Say what you will about his offensive repertoire, but at the very least he's fully capable of punishing defenders who rush towards him too quickly. Because he's more than a spot-up shooter, defenders play him differently -- or at least treat him as a viable threat in other offensive functions besides standstill shooting. That's what Louis Scola does here, trying (and failing) to close out with choppy steps to prevent a drive. And the benefit of this defensive technique is two-fold: First, that Bargnani -- should he receive the ball on a swing or kick out -- will actually have room to shoot, with defenders closing out more cautiously. And second, that Bargnani can actually, well, drive the ball to the basket and make something happen. 現在我們能說說 Bargnani了,你可以對他的進攻有很多種意見,但至少他能讓那些全力 衝向他的防守者感到後悔。 看看影片:http://ppt.cc/C3TT 因為他不只是個定點射手,防守者需要注意他的多種進攻武器,這就是四科拉在做的, 四克拉嘗試阻止他用腳步切入,但失敗了。 這有一些好處,Bargnani在接到傳球後可以讓防守者對他更加謹慎,他能有空間投籃, 也能靠切入來確實得分。 How else can New York utilize Bargnani? The constant comparisons to Steve Novak aren't mean to undervalue Bargnani's role; it's that in the Knicks offense, he'll never serve as a primary scoring option -- either on the first or second unit. But in the Novak role, Bargnani can be much more effective than Novak ever was. With one caveat, though: as long as the Knick use him as a power forward or center. Bargnani's value isn't relative to his shooting; it's relative to his size as a shooter. Because he's seven feet tall, opposing defenses will be forced to use power forwards and centers to guard him. If he lingers on the perimeter, he can draw out basket-protecting bigs into uncomfortable perimeter territory and reduce the defense's dribble-drive help capabilities. This is what Mike D'Antoni used to revolutionize the league, and is "small ball" in its most literal sense. Four wing players around one big, spacing the floor and stretching defenses. But the "stretch" four isn't "stretch" if he's not being guarded by a big. This is especially key in pick-and-roll situations. The Knicks have avoided Guard-Novak pick-and-rolls the last two years because Novak isn't a particularly strong pick-setter. Here, he starts setting a pick on Nic Batum well before any contact is even possible. Batum uses the extra moment to slide under the screen, and Novak begins releasing before Batum has even moved past his shoulder. The early movement collapses the viability of the play. Because Novak is already on the move, Luke Babbitt and Batum don't have to choose between a well coordinated switch or a hedge-and-recover that could leave JR Smith with a lane to the rim. The lack of tight spacing allows an easy hedge, and Babbitt is in Novak's face as he catches the pass and releases the three. Novak's tendency to slip the screen and scramble to the three-point line a bit early ironically hurts his three-point shooting opportunities, because it refocuses the play from an option (drive or pass) to an obligatory pass -- once again, making it easier to defend. 尼克能如何使用Bargnani? Bargnani在尼克不會是第一攻擊點-不管是先發或替補都不會是,但他能做到的絕對比 NOVAK還多。 如果尼克讓Bargnani打PF/C,要知道Bargnani的核心價值不是投籃,而是他是7尺射手, 因為他夠高,所以對方不得已也要派高個來守他,如果他在罰球圈,就能把那些門神拖出來 降低他們協防的能力,這就是冷笑話風靡全聯盟的小球戰術,四個側翼球員搭配大個子, 拉開空間撕裂防守,但是如果你不能把大個子拖出來,那甚麼都不用說了。 讓我們看看這張圖 圖:http://ppt.cc/DEQW 尼克上賽季其實很怕後衛跟NOVAK打擋拆,因為NOVAK不是很好的掩護人員,他一開始能做得 不差,完全把巴頓卡在後面,但他太早移動了。所以沒造成拓荒者防守上的慌亂,可以不用 協調換防,直接壓迫JR,就算JR把球傳給NOVAK,巴頓也能及時趕上。 NOVAK這種提前往三分線跑的習慣,卻反而讓他更不容易有投三分的機會。 影片:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ijwo8exl7ko
Bargnani, at least, is a much more effective pick-setter -- simply because he's taller and wider, and but also because he tends to hold his picks a tick longer. That extra split second ensures contact on screens, and the requisite room to corner defenders into a difficult decision. His contact on this play with Orlando Johnson forces a hedge, bordering on a switch. But the key is the extra half-second Bargnani holds the screen. Because he locks up Johnson, it leaves Tyler Hansbrough in a difficult situation: switch and succumb to a terrible mismatch, or hedge and risk the possibility that Orlando Johnson won't recover in time. Instead, both players fly to Amir Johnson, who receives the next pass, and no one sticks with Bargnani, who cans the jumper. 在掩護這塊,Bargnani就好多了,因為他更高,也更寬,而且他掩護的時間也比較久點 這點差別,將會讓防守者陷入迷惘。 圖:http://ppt.cc/THmW 像這樣,他讓漢堡不知道該錯位換防,還是冒險去補防。 影片:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XF7Dn9h7JSk
所以他成功地讓這兩名防守者都撲出去了,而且還沒人守他。 Other possible Bargnani Sets It will be easy enough to integrate Bargnani into the triple pick-and-roll and Horns sets the Knicks relied on all season; his versatility allows him to fill various roles in multiple play types. But part of the problem the Knicks ran into at the end of last season was a lack of creativity on the offensive end of the floor -- too many isolations, too many straightforward pick-and-rolls, not enough decoy and secondary action. Here's a play that might solve that problem, with the following second unit lineup that we might see this season: 1 - Pablo Prigioni 2 - Beno Udrih 3 - JR Smith 4 - Andrea Bargnani 5 - Tyson Chandler The screening sequence under the basket could possibly free up either Udrih or Smith for a three-point shot, but its real purpose is to get their defenders leaning towards the perimeter and away from an interior help position. That way, when the Prigioni-Chandler pick-and-roll happens, there's room to operate. And then there's the Bargnani kicker: because opposing bigs would likely hang back to guard against the Chandler lob -- Knicks points guards don't typically incite fear with their pull-up jumpers -- the Bargnani back screen can free up that lob. Meanwhile, Bargnani can slide to the top of the key for a shot, should both defenders get sucked under the rim. Other teams would likely need a guard to set that screen in order to create a credible pop, but that's the Bargnani advantage: the size of an effective screener, the skills of a guard. Ultimately, Andrea Bargnani won't figure much into the Knicks' offensive game plan. But if New York can properly exploit what he does bring to the table, he can certainly bring value to a potentially more innovative and potent second unit. 其他安排 總之要讓Bargnani融入尼克體系並不難。尼克上季的缺點是單打太多,擋拆打得太簡單。 如果像這樣排 1.老普 2.立群 3.JR 4.八級壓尼 5.老錢 影片:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G1PlbwE_cs8
這一系列的掩護可以讓立群跟JR跑到三分線有投射空間跟機會,或是把他們的防守者拉出來 並讓老錢跟老普有空間擋拆,此時八級壓尼將發揮作用,對方會怕後衛吊高球給老錢, 尼克後衛跳投時也不用太慌張,八級壓尼可以來幫擋,也能溜到罰球線頂部來偷偷跳投, 這將會讓對方的兩位大個子感到很難受,這就是八級壓尼厲害之處-好的掩護身體條件 ,後衛般的技術。 雖然他應該不會在尼克進攻中佔太重要的角色,但能適當地使用他,他將能為尼克做出貢獻 -------------------------------------------------- -- ─∥ ── =" ψsherry821224 ────────────── \ Teammates don't  ̄◣  ̄╲  ̄╲ λ play with each _ -.╳ ︶- other, they play ρ\ `, ▲ FOR each other. ─∥ _╱ ╲╲_◢ | ────────…‥. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 36.236.174.85
julian0203:照這樣看我們可以對新球季的進攻放心一點了 09/07 22:34
jerrystarks:NOVAK老是要退到3分線才出手,防守早壓上來了 09/08 00:01
jerrystarks:他如果肯在3分線內1.2步直接投籃會更難防守 09/08 00:02
jerrystarks:Bargnani光是拉開防守就受用無窮了 09/08 00:04
skymay:推 09/08 00:46
osape:巴尼亞尼的作用肯定Novak來得大,問題在於他的傷病 09/08 08:30
osape:如果他能保持健康,那下季就可以放心很多了 09/08 08:31
sherry821224:推 09/08 11:07
nykah20:老錢搭高塔射手?好熟悉的前場組合... 09/09 18:38