[外電] 解構Kobe(下)

[richard1003 (總板文字獄)]

3. Kobe Remains a Poor Leader; He Does Not Make His Teammates Better and They
Dislike Him

This is the final criticism I’ll address, and by far the most infuriating.
There are variations on this theme, but the attacks usually boil down to Kobe
being simply unlikable and/or selfish.


3.Kobe還是一個很差的領導者,他沒有讓他的隊友更好,隊友也不喜歡他


這是我要反駁的最後一個批評,而且是讓人最不爽的一個.這種說法還有很多版本,反正主要
就是說Kobe討人厭又自私.


First, Kobe as likable. Really analyzing this requires the kind of facial
expression and lip reading mastery that I don’t yet have a degree in
(Simmons rejected my application). And, while I do believe that Kobe’s
teammates like him, at least much more than they ever have before, that is
ultimately besides the point to me.

第一,Kobe討人喜歡嗎?真的分析這個需要面對面交談或者會讀唇語,我不會.(Simmons老兄
倒是常幹這種事)我相信Kobe的隊友喜歡他,至少比以前喜歡得多,對我來說這根本不用提.

Kobe is the leader of that team; the general. I honestly don’t care whether
he has bubble baths with the guys after hours or not. I don’t care whether
he makes them laugh or plays cards with them. I’m guessing that Lebron, and
most nba alpha dogs, are much better at these things than Kobe. The question
is whether the leader commands his teammates respect and brings out the best
in them on the court. And it is simply dishonest to say that any other
superstar in the league gets more out of his teammates than Kobe.

Kobe是球隊的領導者,將軍.我不關心他們打完球會不會一起洗泡泡澡,我不關心他有沒有逗
隊友笑或是和他們一起玩牌.我猜LeBron或其他人做這些比Kobe好得多.重要的是領導者能
否帶領球隊,贏得尊敬,並且在場上以身作則.我相信這點聯盟其他球星沒人能勝過Kobe.

First, it is acknowledged by all, friend and foe, that Kobe had a
transformative effect on the other Redeem Team members. He is unmatched as a
worker, professional, and student of his craft, and this quickly rubbed off
on Lebron, Wade, Howard, Melo, etc. They were all quick this year to point
this fact out and credit Kobe for their career years. Everyone, even Simmons,
recognizes this (although he did find some way to pervert Kobe’s Olympic
experience into a “mistaken” and “foolish” sharing of trade secrets…
 blah blah barf. Simmons, here’s a column suggestion, how about comparing
Paul Pierce’s splendid USA basketball experience in 2002 with Kobe’s?). The
maturation of Lebron, Wade, Melo, Howard, Paul, Deron and co. seems to be
initiating another golden era for the league (leaving behind the
carter-iverson, spurs-pistons and other ice-age-ish periods). Shouldn’t Kobe
get some credit for this?

首先,這是被所有人承認的,Kobe對美國隊球員有重大的影響,他對他的工作表現出勤奮,專
業和好學,這很快感染了Lebron, Wade, Howard, Melo等人.他們都很快指出這點而且認為
Kobe對他們生涯有幫助.所有人,甚至Simmons都承認這點.(雖然他又找到機會酸Kobe的奧運
表現是"錯誤"且"愚蠢",blah blah....Simmons,這邊有個建議,把你們家包皮在惡夢三敗隊
的表現和Kobe比較一下如何?)Lebron, Wade, Melo, Howard, Paul, Deron等人的成熟似乎
又開啟了一個黃金年代.(把過氣的VC-AI,活塞馬刺丟一邊吧)Kobe不應該為此得到一些讚揚
嗎?

If Kobe proved so powerful in transforming superstars on the Olympic Team,
then why don’t we believe he has had a similar impact on his Laker teammates
over time? If you look back at recent Laker teams and players, you’ll see
that this has to be the case. The last few Laker teams are absolutely
littered with mediocre players that achieved some measure of never to be
reproduced success next to Kobe.

如果Kobe被證明對美國隊這些明星球員有重大影響,為什麼我們不能相信Kobe對湖人隊友也
是如此?觀察過去的例子,你會發現的確如此,一些平凡球員在離開Kobe後再也無法複製過
去的成就.


Kwame Brown. Smush Parker. Chucky Atkins. Brian Cook. Chris Mihm. Kareem
Rush. Jumaine Jones.

Where are they now? Will we ever hear from them again? Do you realize that
the 2006 Laker team won 45 games in the West with Smush Parker starting 82
games (3rd leading scorer), Kwame Brown 49, Brian Cook 46, Chris Mihm 56, and
Devean George as the 6th man? Really ponder that. Will Smush Parker ever play
again in the nba? Will Brian Cook ever play in the rotation again for a
playoff team, much less start? Consider that Smush Parker has a 12.5 PER
playing on the Lakers and a career 6.9 PER otherwise; for Brian Cook it is
14.6 with Kobe and 8.5 without. Doing this kind of PER comparison could be
its own post.

冏丸,旋轉門,腸哥,廚師,小明,Rush,JJ

他們現在在哪裡?我們有再聽過他們嗎?你知道06湖人贏了45場比賽,而旋轉門先發82場(得
分第三高),冏丸49,廚師46,小明56場,而蟾蜍是第六人?認真想一想,旋轉門還有機會打NBA
嗎?廚師還有機會打進季後賽球隊的輪替,就算沒先發嗎?旋轉門在湖人PER是12.5,在其他隊
是6.9,Cook和Kobe在一起是14.6,沒Kobe8.5.算一算答案應該很清楚.


Now think about Kobe’s teammates on these finals teams. Will Radmanovic ever
start again for a finals team? Will we ever hear from Sasha or Walton again
if they leave Kobe’s side – and both have been critical performers on
finals teams? How many career three pointers did Trevor Ariza make before
Kobe gave him his shooting program last summer? (Nine). Would Gasol ever have
made an all nba team or been considered a top 10 overall player on Memphis?
How much money has playing with Kobe earned Ariza, Sasha, Walton, Smush,
Cook, Kwame, Turiaf, Fisher, etc., etc.

現在想想這支湖人.狼人還有機會在冠軍級球隊先發嗎?如果Sasha和Walton離開Kobe,我們
還會再聽到他們嗎?在Kobe暑假教他之前,Ariza投進過幾顆三分?(9).Gasol有可能在灰熊入
選前三隊或者Top 10球員嗎?Ariza, Sasha, Walton, Smush,Cook, Kwame, Turiaf,
Fisher等等,他們靠和Kobe一起打球多賺了多少錢?

Some people in life are simply uncomfortable with mediocrity. They do not
stand for it. Kobe is that teacher we all had in high school that was all
business, made you do four hours of homework every night, show up every day,
and pour everything you had into each assignment, paper, or test. You hated
that teacher. You may have often complied out of fear, but by the end you
learned a hell of a lot more than you ever had before and appreciated it. That
’s Kobe Bryant. He may not be Mr. Kicks and Giggles, but you will absolutely
work your tail off and play better than you ever have before under him. As
Jerry West said recently, “Kobe approaches the game the right way. Not
smiling around and glad-handing guys on the other team. I watch some of these
guys laughing and joking before the game or on the bench. If it’s that damn
funny … maybe that’s a sign of weakness.” And all of this is on top of how
easy he makes the game for others on the court, which we’ve addressed.

有些人無法忍受與庸人為伍.但Kobe就像你的高中老師,逼你每晚做四小時功課,每次考試都
要你拼盡全力,你討厭那個老師,但是最後你發現你學得比以前都多而且感謝他.那就是Kobe
Bryant.他可能不是好好先生或幽默大師.但是和他一起你絕對會夾緊尾巴並打得比以前更
好.像Jerry West最近說的,"Kobe用正確的方式比賽,不茍言笑也不和對手開玩笑.我看到有
些人比賽前在板凳區開玩笑.什麼事他媽的那麼好笑?這或許是一種軟弱的象徵."這就是為
什麼Kobe讓其他人打得更好.

Bill Simmons just wrote an article that alleged Kobe has not changed from
last year. He even pointed to fancy numbers showing that Kobe’s playoff
performance this year was similar to last year. He doesn’t realize that he’
s proven my point. No, Kobe has not changed from last year. He’s the same
dominant superstar that drove his team to blitz through the most brutal
conference in decades. But his teammates have changed, and Kobe was the one
that changed them. That is the story of these playoffs — the transformation
of Gasol, Ariza, and Odom from timid softies to rise to the moment men. They
now own Kobe’s work ethic and killer instinct. And they are doing things
that no one thought they would ever do. Just like Lebron and Wade and Howard
and Melo before them… The Lakers won 65 games; they did not lose three games
in a row all year or two in a row during the playoffs. They were 4-1 in
closeout games and simply crushed their opponents in each of the four wins.
Why? Because the team possessed the spirit of Kobe.

Bill Simmons剛剛寫了一篇文章指出Kobe和去年毫無改變.他甚至提出數據認為Kobe季後賽
表現和去年沒兩樣.他沒意識到他正好證明我的論點.不,Kobe和去年一樣沒有改變,他還是
那個統治級球星,帶領他的球隊在近十年來最競爭的分區脫穎而出.但是他的隊友改變了,而
Kobe是改變他們的人.那就是今年季後賽發生的事-Gasol, Ariza,和Odom從軟趴趴變成硬梆
梆,他們現在有Kobe的工作態度和殺手本能.他們做到了沒人認為他們能做到的事,在Lebron
,Wade,Howard和Melo之前.湖人贏了65場比賽,從未三連敗,季後賽未曾二連敗.在關門戰戰
績是4-1,在贏球的比賽徹底擊潰對手.為什麼?因為這支球隊由Kobe的精神帶領.

4. Finally, a Word to Mr. Simmons

I like Bill Simmons. I am genuinely excited when he writes a new column on
the nba. I will buy his new book the first day it comes out and probably
enjoy it. But sometimes you need to call a spade a spade. Bill’s had a rough
playoff run. He’s said things like:

4.最後,給Simmons先生的話

我喜歡 Bill Simmons,當他寫新的NBA專欄,我真的感到興奮.我會在上市第一天就去買他的
新書.但是有時候你得實話實說.Bill季後賽過得並不好.他說了一些話像:

  “I have been saying that for 2 months now. What we’re watching this
spring is basically the 2006 Lakers, only with Gasol replacing Chris Mihm,
Kobe being 15% worse, Bynum being 20% better and Ariza being a slight
improvement over Ariza. It’s a limited team that lacks toughness and can be
beaten.”

"我已經說這句話兩個月了.我們看到的這支基本上是2006年的湖人,只是把Chris Mihm換成
Gasol,Kobe退步15%,Bynum進步20%,Ariza幾乎沒進步.這是一支有限的球隊,缺乏意志,可以
被擊敗."

The ‘09 Cavs are the ‘91 Bulls reincarnated… everyone keeps
underestimating them and nobody realizes that they are about the blow thru
these last 2 rounds.”

"09騎士是91公牛復刻,大家都低估他們而沒有意識到他們前兩輪橫掃對手."

The Magic just needed 7 games to beat a Celtics team that had 2 scorers with
dead legs, Scalabrine/Marbury/House as their bench and actually ran a
game-ending play for Glen Davis. Don’t start thinking Orlando is good please.

"魔術打敗塞爾提克是因為打了七場比賽後,塞爾提克只剩下兩個跑不動的得分手,
Scalabrine/Marbury/House是他們的板凳,最後一擊還得交給Glen Davis.拜託不要開始認
為奧蘭多是強隊."

“Dwight Howard couldn’t score 40 points in a game if he was going against
Yi Jianlian’s chair.”

"Dwight Howard即使面對易建聯的椅子也拿不到40分."

These ironclad, can’t be otherwise predictions have proven not just wrong,
but embarrassingly wrong. That would be okay given that he’s just a fan like
the rest of us – we all are wrong and most of us didn’t see Orlando coming.
But he has the hubris to persevere in omniscience. Whenever Simmons is wrong,
he always follows the same pattern: (1) blame the failed team’s coach, and
(2) use hindsight to tell us what the losing team should have done to win.
Just admit you blew it, Bill. Admit that you misread Cleveland, Orlando, and
LA. Admit that instead of blaming Cleveland’s loss on bad coaching and the
failure of Cleveland’s role players you should have considered these facts
before making your predictions – that Brown’s offensive lack of creativity
and the playoff inexperience of Cleveland’s role players might be a problem
after all. Monday morning quarterbacking doesn’t become front page espn
writers.

這些沒有比其他錯誤的預測離譜啦,只是很難堪而已.如果他是跟我們一樣的球迷那就OK-我
們都錯了也沒想到奧蘭多會殺出東區.但是他總是傲慢的堅持自己是全知的.不管Simmons錯
得多離譜,他總是按照同樣模式:(1)責怪敗隊的教練(2)馬後砲說敗隊這樣打就會贏.就承認
你搞砸了吧,Bill.承認你錯估了克里夫蘭,奧蘭多和洛杉磯.承認你在寫預測時早該想到
Brown的不會進攻和騎士配角的缺乏經驗會是問題,而不是事後再來罵.星期一早上的馬後砲
不會上ESPN頭條的啦.

While we know you have to undermine LA’s title as a Boston fan, do you
really want to start comparing how our team was built with Boston’s current
roster? Do you really want to talk about non-repeatable good fortune? Do you
want me to list your quotes damning Doc and Ainge for openly tanking in 2007?
Do you really believe that LA’s roster is some cosmic accident wholly unlike
every other title team in history? Because if you do, I have some Paul Pierce
2002 FIBA World Championship cards I need to sell.

我知道你身為波士頓球迷一定會開始貶低湖人的冠軍啦,你要我們開始比較哪邊外掛開得比
較大嗎?你真的打算講從未衛冕的歷史嗎?你要我列出07年你是怎麼幹譙Doc和Ainge瘋狂擺
爛嗎?你真的認為湖人的陣容是宇宙最大的意外,和其他冠軍隊不同嗎?如果你這樣做,我有
一些2002世界杯的包皮球員卡想要賣耶.

And, while you were quick to point out that LA didn’t have to play Boston in
this years finals (which is assuming a lot), you failed to note that Boston
was lucky not face Ariza or the one-legged Bynum. Do you have any idea how
painful it was to watch Radmanovic guard Pierce as opposed to Ariza? I would
gladly replay the 2008 and 2009 finals, both against Boston, with LA’s
current team. Would you?

然後,你一定會說湖人今年不用碰到波士頓(自以為),你沒提到波士頓很幸運不用碰到Ariza
和一條腿的Bynum.你知道看狼人守包皮有多痛苦嗎?我會很高興08,09冠軍賽重打,都面對波
士頓,用今年的湖人陣容,你會嗎?


But, beyond that, Simmons most recent attack on Kobe is agenda-driven
nonsense. We get it, Bill. We know you hate Kobe. We know you hate that he
now has more titles than Bird. We know it eats away at you that the Celtics
are probably a one and done band of mercenaries while the Lakers are built
for the long haul. We know that the Lakers have won 9 titles and been to 15
finals in your lifetime compared to 4 and 6 for the Celtics. We know those
60s Celtic rings came in a different NBA — pre-expansion, salary cap,
globalization, etc. We know that, as a Celtics fan, you have sworn a blood
oath to discredit and undermine LA and Kobe at all costs – even if it
infects the tone and quality of your writing. But, please, give us Laker fans
the courtesy of relying on actual facts and evidence to support your
arguments. Don’t rewatch the finals celebration a dozen times searching for
one missed high five or false smile. Don’t read Phil’s mind. Use your army
of researchers to give us something meaningful to actually chew on and think
about. Because what I see when I study Kobe is the game’s preeminent player,
leader, teammate, and winner.

Redd

除此之外,Simmons最近攻擊Kobe什麼都不是.我們知道了,Bill.我們知道你反科啦.我們知
道你討厭Kobe現在冠軍比大鳥多.我們知道你擔憂炒短線超塞可能只有這一冠而湖人還能強
很久.我們知道湖人在你生命中已拿了9冠15次總冠軍賽,塞爾提克只有4冠6次.我們知道塞
爾提克60年代的冠軍來自一個不同的NBA-球隊少,沒有薪資上限,也沒有全球化.我們知道身
為塞爾提克球迷,你必須不惜代價全力貶低Kobe和洛杉磯-即使那會降低你文章的格調.但是
,拜託,給我們湖人迷一點尊重,在你的批評中加入一些事實和證據吧.不要看冠軍慶祝十幾
次尋找miss掉的擊掌或是誰沒有笑.不要讀Phil的心.利用你研究者的武器給我們一些有意
義的東西可以思考回味.因為當我研究Kobe,我看到一個偉大球員,領導者,好隊友和勝利者.



--
Ask around the league,
"Who is the hardest player to guard?"
The answer is inevitably:

“Oh, you mean, besides Kobe?”

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推 LABOYS:總板又高潮了 年復一年 日復一日
※ 編輯: richard1003     來自: 114.39.17.35         (06/23 19:09)
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推 chancewen:這篇狂表但是我好喜歡!!
→ adew913:總版又開始high了     真想轉這篇過去反駁 = =
※ 編輯: richard1003     來自: 114.39.17.35         (06/23 19:18)
推 atang123:從軟趴趴變成硬梆梆!!!
→ lightsoldier:不用轉了啦 轉了他們也是當作沒看到
→ lightsoldier:Kobe 的確不可能追上 MJ 的偉大 但是許多反 Kobe 迷
→ lightsoldier:會無限上綱的把 Kobe 打成非常爛的球員 那種就隨他去
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→ richard1003:這種才叫經典的戰文咩,NBA板那些根本不夠格
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→ Sephiroth:引述某漫畫中主角的一句話:如果團結只是跟隊友好來好去
→ Sephiroth:在隊友犯錯的時候笑笑的說沒關係 這算哪們子的團隊
→ Sephiroth:團隊是要每個人為了共同的目標 理想去打拼奮鬥 在場上
→ Sephiroth:所展現出來的精神 隊友犯錯沒關係我來補救 這才是團隊
推 Sephiroth:不要說奧運了 03梯那三隻光是07美錦過後 防守 跳投成長
→ Sephiroth:了有多少...連他們自己都說從KB身上學到了許多
推 zealeliot:Kobe從MJ戰到LBJ 一路走來其他的人都都零落了...
→ aa0926:在righthand眼裡  大概要超級明星球員才算有成就吧
→ aa0926:耶蘇幫西班牙拿到06年世男金牌不算有成就?
→ aa0926:Odom還在熱火隊當過一哥
→ aa0926:萬一KB的隊友是WADE和CP3那種等級的 你是不是得說靠隊友?
推 Sephiroth:是沒什麼成就 但在湖人還能打先發打季後賽呢!!!!!!!
→ Sephiroth:就是KB讓這些人的名字被你曾經聽到過阿 左腳大
推 MatLab2007:有些人見不得別人好只好酸文囉~ 不要怪他們~
推 kb81:淚推原作者 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
推 righthand:"冏丸,旋轉門,腸哥,廚師,小明,Rush,JJ"是指這行
推 righthand:讓我認識蟾蜍的是歐肥....
推 kb81:喬治,感覺也一副就快要消失在 NBA 的樣子...
推 LABOYS:囧丸其實相當好用 就三角來說 可惜因傷出席率不佳被換掉
推 chidad:看了一整個超HIGH     真是篇好文^^
→ Sephiroth:真不知道左腳是在回啥...跳針嗎?? 你說那一串人名沒啥
→ Sephiroth:成就 當然啦~如果不是在湖人有機會打先發或主力替補
→ Sephiroth:你根本不會聽過他們的名字 這就是KB的價值了 你單提一個
→ Sephiroth:蟾蜍是要證明什麼??邏輯真的大有問題
推 ntutbj:推推推  但是我想問為什麼從來沒提到odom?
噓 righthand:照樓上邏輯 讓台灣人知道阿肉跟丁特就是王葛格的價值吧
→ richard1003:有看MLB的誰不知道A-Rod和Jeter,這啥白癡比喻
推 righthand:是爛比喻呀 跟原文一樣爛的比喻
推 newsno1:AB之間的關係既然不能類比於CD 說CD爛比喻幹麻牽扯到AB
→ newsno1:邏輯真差
噓 righthand:比喻到底跟邏輯有什麼關係 有哪個比喻有可能符合邏輯
噓 righthand:會辯論比喻本身有無邏輯性 本身就不符合邏輯
→ richard1003:自己比喻爛就不要硬凹了,很難看
噓 righthand:名人身邊的人本來就會跟著有名 只不過原文提到原po的愛
噓 righthand:那一排人名的球員沒有哪個現在比挪威司機的女友出名
推 newsno1:...好啦好啦  你對啦     純粹來幫推文
推 LABOYS:幼稚 諾威斯基的女友是誰? 我只知道她是女牛排屋 誰阿?
推 Kreen:借我收藏，我會修掉垃圾推文的，萬分感謝。
推 Ilovefox:push!