看板 Lakers 關於我們 聯絡資訊
其實兩人都不太算很有邏輯 出現了很多的「我覺得」 另外就是反對方某些論點讓我懷疑 他到底有沒有對湖人跟Artest做過功課 還是只是有話想說就憑印象說了 雖然他是個專職NBA分析師= = http://0rz.tw/XDSsM 不支持方:David Thorpe * "I don't think the Lakers are suddenly better, even assuming Lamar Odom is back. What is chemistry worth? Five points? Ten points? I argue it's a difference maker. If you win by eight, maybe chemistry was worth nine. I'm not saying Ron will be a jerk, I don't think he will be. But I do know that for this team to succeed he'll have to play a role, and I don't know how he'll be at that." 「就算Lamar沒跑掉,我也不覺得湖人會忽然就變強。化學效應能幹嘛?五分?十分? 我認為有絕對性的差異。如果你贏八分,也許化學效應幫你拿了九分。我不是說 Artest是個雜碎,也不覺得他是(趕快補這一句)。但我知道他的球隊想要成功他就 必須扮演他的角色,而我不知道他要怎麼做到。」 * "Trevor Ariza has much better shot selection than Artest, and the ball tends to stop with Ron. Now, the Lakers have Phil Jackson, but a coach only has so much energy. Think of it like a bottle of water. When it's empty, it's freaking empty. If Phil Jackson has to spend a lot of his energy stopping Ron from taking stupid shots, that means he's not putting energy and focus into other things that make the Lakers better." 「Ariza在攻擊選擇上比Artest好多了,因為球到Artest手上就有去無回了。湖人是有 個Phil沒錯,但教練就只有這麼多能量而已。想像一下有一瓶水。如果他是空的,他 就是空的。如果Phil在調教愛亂噴的Artest的時候把體力都榨乾了,那他就沒辦法把 那些精力拿來讓湖人更好。」 * "We don't know if Trevor Ariza just made some shots last season, or has actually improved as a shooter. But if he is now a much improved shooter, he has superstar potential." 「我們並不知道Ariza是運氣好噴進了那些三分還是真的作為一個射手進步了。但是如果 他是真的有進步的話,那他有著成為超級明星的潛力。」 * "The Lakers didn't run much triangle last year, and I assume they'll run even less now. Ron Artest is a very instinctive player, and the triangle is not a very instinctive system." 「湖人上一季沒打那麼多三角,而現在我看他們會打更少了。Artest是個憑直覺打球的 人,而三角並不是個靠直覺來進行的戰術。」 支持方:作者 * Now, basically every key Laker but Derek Fisher is big, strong and effective in the post. That might not seem like a big deal, but it's really throwing down the gauntlet to opponents. The NBA has a lot of players who really don't want to be isolated on defense in the post (choosing from likely playoff opponents, think about the likes of Carmelo Anthony, say, or Rudy Fernandez -- also consider the Rockets played Aaron Brooks and Carl Landry together). But it will always be a threat, and the hard-cutting Lakers work well as a team to make opponents pay for doubling the post. 「基本上除了Fish之外,每一個湖人的重要球員都高壯而且能打低位。這看起來不是什 麼大事,但對於對手來說很傷。NBA很多球員都不喜歡一對一守低位(以季後賽對手來 看就是Melo,Fernandez,Brooks跟Landry)。但這是個武器,對於切入頻繁的湖人來 說,他們會讓包夾低位的對手付出代價。」 * Keeping Kobe Bryant in peak form is the most important thing for the Lakers. Artest can guard anyone Bryant can guard, meaning the Lakers will have constant opportunities to protect Bryant from wear and tear. 「保持Kobe的巔峰其對湖人來說是最重要的事情。Kobe能守的Artest就能守,所以也可 以以此讓Kobe遠離不必要的傷痛。」 * As Hollinger points out, the Lakers have some opponents of note (Anthony and Brandon Roy come to mind) against whom Artest is a very effective defender. He can also spend some time trying to harness some of the point guards who give Derek Fisher trouble. 「Hollinger指出,Artest對於湖人的某些對手,像是Melo跟Roy,挺在行的。他也可以 花點時間去嘗試防守那些給Fisher找麻煩的控衛。」 * Plenty of NBA players seem to follow a trend of being young and crazy when they're new to the league -- just the money itself is thrill enough. Some never leave that mode. But more than a few times, we have seen players age into really caring about winning. No one wants to be remembered as a loser. Ron Artest has not won a ring. Now is his time to prove he can. No, he won't be in a contract year, but he'll have plenty to prove. 「很多NBA球員在剛進來的時候都會人來瘋,畢竟光是一大筆錢就夠嗨了。有些人永遠 離不開那個狀態。但我們經常看到球員是想要贏球的,沒有人想要被當成廢咖。 Artest還沒拿到戒指,而現在是他證明自己的時候。縱使不是合約年,他還是有很多 等著他去證明的事情。」 * Thorpe makes a great point about Phil Jackson having to expend a lot of energy. But watching "Kobe Doin' Work" convinced me (even if that wasn't a typical game, with the cameras and all) that Kobe Bryant has ascended to some other level of team control. If Artest is jacking shots, isn't he going to hear about it from Bryant first? And isn't Bryant the kind of guy who would have credibility with Artest? 「Thorpe說Phil需要花不少心思在Artest身上,這點沒什麼問題。但如果你看過Kobe Doin' Work你就知道Kobe在帶領球隊上已經進化到另一個等級了。如果Artest亂噴, 他得先過Kobe這一關,而Kobe豈不就是那種能收伏Artest的人嗎?」 * Ron Artest was at his worst two years ago in Sacramento. He was not, as Larry Brown would say, playing the right way. He broke plays to go one-on-one. He appeared to be using his full complement of defensive skills on only a fraction of plays. He felt bad for missing jumpers (something he has never been amazing at) and then grew determined to get the points back for his team by ... forcing more jumpers. But despite all that, even with the Kings he was one of the best and most productive players on the roster -- as he has been throughout his career. The lesson, to me, is that Artest has something in common with LeBron James besides build. James is way better, of course, but both have strengths that overwhelm notable flaws. (I think of them as the "You get what you get, and you don't get upset" players.) The conditions could not be more favorable now. A championship on the line, a team with powerful leaders and a legacy to be built. Purple and gold, I suspect, is going to look very good on Ron Artest. 「Artest兩年前在國王的時候是最慘的一段時間。根據Larry Brown的說法,他不是在打 正確的籃球。他會打斷戰術去一對一,只在一部分的時候盡力,而且跳投沒進的時候 就會沮喪(問題是他本來就沒很準),接著又想要把剛剛沒進的分搶回來...於是投更多 球。但不管這些,即使在國王那段時期他也是隊上效率最高的球員之一,更不用說生涯 其他時候。這讓我知道Artest在身材之外還有跟LeBron很像的地方。當然LeBron更威, 但兩個人都有著足以彌補缺點的力量。現在湖人狀況也許已經好到極點了:有優秀的領 袖,還有一個建構中的傳奇。我想紫色跟金色也許穿在Artest身上會挺好看的。」 -- 穆托姆博的全名至今是個謎,據說光他的姓氏就有55個單詞,「穆托姆博」只是他家族姓 氏中的一部分,這還不包括他本人的名字。現在坊間最流行的一個版本稱穆托姆博的全名 是「Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacque Wamutombo」,但這個名字並沒有 得到穆大叔本人的首肯。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 61.228.195.143
floriany:推,辛苦了! 07/04 01:58
LABOYS:科科啦 07/04 01:59
floriany:葡萄還滿酸的... 07/04 01:59
doodoohow:同意三樓 反對的那位跟戰文水準差不多 囧 07/04 02:00
doodoohow:話說我剛剛重看了81pts game Sasha好像完全沒變嘛= = 07/04 02:02
doodoohow:除了頭髮變長之外 噴三分的時機跟感覺真是始終如一... 07/04 02:02
floriany:Sasha...明年拜託準一點點 (冏) 07/04 02:07
imsohappy:在進攻方面除非阿泰肯改,不然我也不覺得阿泰有很大的 07/04 02:08
imsohappy:助益 07/04 02:08
LABOYS:Rodman當年也沒人覺得他會改 最後他改了 07/04 02:09
imsohappy:等賽季開始吧 起碼個人能力上阿泰不用懷疑 07/04 02:09
imsohappy:團隊融合說也說不準XD 07/04 02:10
themartyr24:Sasha明年至少得把今年沒進的都投回來 07/04 02:10
doodoohow: 那他要拿得分王了(誤) 07/04 02:12
righthand:"Artest can guard anyone Bryant can guard" 07/04 02:16
shch: "...except, of course, Bryant and himself" 07/04 03:19
dickenst35:湖人只要阿泰的防守就夠了,不缺得分的球員 07/04 10:21