看板 Lakers 關於我們 聯絡資訊
這是一篇戰味十足的分析文, 所以譯者就這樣跟作者戰起來了XD 連結: http://mvn.com/bucksdiary/2009/09/kobe-bryants-win-resume-since-2002-03.html Kobe Bryant's Win Resume since 2002-03 Kobe自02-03球季以來的獲勝紀錄 How many wins and losses has Kobe produced? Kobe究竟製造了多少W跟L呢? This is the first in a series of posts where I will examine the win resumes of various high profile NBA players in the 82games.com era (ie since 2002-03). Within that era I have the precise "counterpart opponent" information I need to calculate each player's "Marginal Win Score" and hence each player's wins and losses produced. Wins and losses, under my system, are the product of the player's minutes (for every 240 minutes of action he is responsible for one game) and the player's marginal statistical production visavis the opponent players who played the same position as him at the same time. 這是我(作者)發表這一連串的文章之中, 第一次把現任NBA球星在82games.com上面的數據拿來檢驗。 我將會把精確的對戰數據拿來計算每位球員在勝敗場次中的「最低勝利得分」。 輸贏在我的系統之中, 將作為一位球員每場球賽240分鐘之中他的上場時間, 以及跟在比賽中對手球隊上同樣位置球員的數據比較後的產物。 這是表格的連結唷啾咪: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd4nrbjq_969dpmjtddg Analysis 引戰(...咦?翻錯了嗎?) As you can see, Kobe Bryant has been an excellent win producer for the Los Angeles Lakers. He has not, however, been an "elite" win producer except for the 2007-08 season (his best production in the era). When I refer to a player as an "elite" win producer, I mean to suggest that the player's production is/was so much better than his competition that he actually created "negative losses" for his team. Kobe's win production seems to always flirt with the elite level, in that he consistently produces something close to negative losses, but only twice has he actually ended the season with negative losses. Therefore, Kobe is what I refered to in a recent post as a "High Purple" player -- a level two superstar. 如你所見,Kobe一直以來都是LA極佳的勝場製造機。 但他除了07-08球季之外在這方面的表現並不是「最」頂級的。 當我提到「最」的時候,意指這名球員遠勝他的對手們, 甚至製造的敗場相對於其他人來說是負值。 Kobe的表現一直以來都在最頂級的邊緣, 但只有兩季他真的達到了負值的神鬼數據。 因此,在這個系統之中,製造勝場的這方面, Kobe只能算是略次一級的超級球員。 (譯者戰文時間: 在場上經歷過比賽過程的人, 或者是只要看過大量比賽的人, 就可以知道在關鍵時刻對內線的防守有多嚴苛。 即使鬼神般的LBJ、MJ、TD... 能在最後時刻進攻禁區的次數也不算多, 相對的,由傳導製造出的Inside-Out, 或者連續Screen出來的的外線空檔才是大多數的Final shot執行方式。 問題是那幾年的陣容跟戰術造成一個很大的問題: 關鍵時刻球根本只能落到Kobe一個人手上, 對方擺明了就是包夾到爆炸, 那哪來的傳導跟出手機會? 自然,難以出手的出手命中率要高當然也難上加難。) Interestingly, Kobe's best two seasons have been his last two, and furthermore it appears that Lakers coach Phil Jackson is able to get the best out of Kobe Bryant and/or Kobe is at his best when he is surrounded by an excellent cast. As you can see from the chart, Kobe's performance dipped somewhat dramatically after he lost Shaq as a teammate, but rose just as dramatically around the time the team rehired Phil and bolstered its roster back to championship level. 有趣的是,Kobe表現最好的兩季正是他的前兩季, 而這兩季正好是Phil把Kobe的能力徹底發揮出來, 並且湖人整體陣容也到達最好狀態的兩季。 如你在表格上看到的, Kobe的表現在Shaq離開之後有了戲劇性的驟降, 而在球隊找回Phil並且重新打造冠軍團隊之後又再次飛升。 (同上段, 湖人在進攻上跟當時比外線有了更加油條又更沒心臟的Fish, 內線左右手雙煞Gasol跟Odom, Kobe受到的防守壓力必定會被分散, 而在防守上少了進攻壓力; 則又有更多的體力可以去專注在研究對手的進攻模式上, 這兩季能表現更上一層是理所當然的; 甚至可以說,如果效率沒有向上提升才真的是難以理解的謎團。) Also, I have commented in the past that Kobe Bryant is much better playing shooting guard than he is playing small forward. The record does not support such a claim. Since '02-'03, Kobe has been about as marginally productive at the 3 position as he has been at the 2 position, though his splits at each position vary from season to season. 另外,我過去曾經提到Kobe在SG位置上的表現遠勝於他在SF的表現。 但紀錄並不支持這個論點。 自從02-03以來,Kobe在二三號位置上的表現是差距不大的, 雖然他在每個位置的職責跟表現每季都不盡相同。 (說明了球技跟經驗可以略為彌補體型的不足,如此而已。) One final note. As you will see in my next post -- which will examine the Win Resume of Shaquille O'Neal -- when Kobe and Shaq were teammates in LA, Shaq was the better win producer, at least in their final two seasons. Shaq posted +4.00 Marginal Win Scores in each of the two seasons, and because of that he piled up the negative losses for the Lakers. The only limitation on Shaq's production in his final Laker days was his inability to play a traditional "full-time season" (at least 2900 minutes). Perhaps that is why the Lakers chose to keep Kobe and let Shaq go. 最後,在我的下一篇也將會看到的,將是Shaq的勝場履歷。 Shaq在湖人與Kobe攜手時,至少最後兩季,Shaq是個更強的勝利關鍵。 他在那兩季中製造了至少+4.0以上的勝分, 也因此為湖人製造了負敗場的紀錄。 他在後期唯一受到的限制是上場時間不足, 也許這正是湖人留下了Kobe而決定放掉Shaq的原因。 (如同前幾年Shaq愛好者所說的, 「有Shaq就有了半張挑戰總冠軍的門票。」 如果要說Kobe當時是靠Shaq拿下冠軍, 這其實完全是合理的,只不過反之亦然; 放在今天,如果要說沒有Gasol拿不到冠軍, 這也是合理的, 甚至可以說如果沒有Odom/沒有Ariza/沒有Fisher今年就拿不到冠軍, 因為這就是個顯而易見的事實; 只不過要用這麼簡單的理由來抹滅Kobe身為「現任」球隊第一人的事實, 那還真是有點弱掉了; 就如同說「因為Horry是投進關鍵球的男人所以Shaq當時不是球隊老大」一樣, 實在讓人忍俊不禁。) -- 穆托姆博的全名至今是個謎,據說光他的姓氏就有55個單詞,「穆托姆博」只是他家族姓 氏中的一部分,這還不包括他本人的名字。現在坊間最流行的一個版本稱穆托姆博的全名 是「Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacque Wamutombo」,但這個名字並沒有 得到穆大叔本人的首肯。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.7.59
dpogcnn:那樣的論點根本不值得寫一篇文章來反駁 09/17 14:23
dpogcnn:說出誰靠誰、沒誰就沒冠軍這種話的人 想必跟他打球會很痛 09/17 14:23
dpogcnn:苦 這種人才是真的不知道什麼叫團隊的人 09/17 14:24
doodoohow:其實籃球寫手不一定要會打球啦...反之亦然XD 09/17 14:25
doodoohow:糗爺據說是個還滿厲害的射手不是? 09/17 14:25
doodoohow:會說出這些話的大多都只是鄉民跟普通球迷罷了 09/17 14:26
tco:誰靠誰的這種論點真的是... 09/17 14:45
tco:明明就是團隊運動,在看球過程中,板凳表現出色球迷依然高興 09/17 14:45
tco:現在看湖人,只要大家各司其職,齊心贏得比賽,就夠了 09/17 14:46
tco:根本沒閒時間去分誰數據最好,誰最重要這種話題 09/17 14:47
dpogcnn:我只知道湖人贏了 一堆人幹翻讓我很爽XD 誰得最多分沒差啦 09/17 14:53
doodoohow:重點甚至可以不放在得分 守好對方主將這點更重要 09/17 14:54
doodoohow:每次對上Cavs跟Celts 我的目光幾乎都在籃板跟1-on-1 D 09/17 14:55
cydneya:我怎麼覺得這文章沒什麼意義... 09/17 15:23
blackmamba01:基本上文章和撰文者立論觀點有關 碰到湖人的議題 09/17 16:40
blackmamba01:就像綠的寫藍的 籃的寫綠的一樣 很多人立場已經顛簸 09/17 16:40
kb81:先推你再看 09/17 19:48
kb81:為什麼我覺得這篇有寫就跟沒寫一樣呢 = = 09/17 19:53
doodoohow:國外似乎也缺水 只google得到這種程度的東西 請見諒ˊˋ 09/17 21:19
doodoohow:如果有其他值得翻的東西小弟樂意效勞啊(挺) 09/17 21:20
Sephiroth:對於籃球場上貢獻 要用數字去量化實在是很可笑的事情 09/17 23:04
Sephiroth:如果籃球比賽是一對一輪番上陣 那數據才有可看性 09/17 23:04
Sephiroth:每一個play的貢獻都是所有隊友幫助下出來的 F4解體後的 09/17 23:05
Sephiroth:三年 KB的得分很大一部份只需要一個單擋 甚至不用 09/17 23:05
Sephiroth:這也是為什麼"有看球"專家 教練們會給KB如此高的評價 09/17 23:06
Sephiroth:但更多的是只看數據來說LBJ CP3無私 KB自私的人 09/17 23:07
MatLab2007:當然太過自私並不好 但許多時候無私不代表贏球 09/18 06:09
ryanblue:中肯阿 09/18 15:12