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LG ROUND TABLE - THE FRONTCOURT PART 1 洛城點將錄 – 前場 【上】 原文網址: http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=120156 It seemed that the champagne had barely finished flowing when there were strong indications that the Laker frontcourt bench would be getting remodeled. The trio of Pau, Bynum and Lamar has proven to be undefeated when healthy. But health has not been a luxury for the front court. Bynum barely limped past the finish line, and Luke Walton struggled with back problems all season. The front office went to work improving the reserves... 看來,當湖人的前場透露出補強的跡象,我們是應該開瓶香檳樂一下。 砲姐、小拜和老二三名大漢已經證明了他們在健康的時候是所向披靡的。 但是健康對我們的前場似乎是種奢望, 小拜勉強跛著腳跟著紫金大軍衝線,我疼更是整個賽季都在跟背傷糾纏, 於是我們的戰情室還是得找些備胎…… Let's start with the changes: 讓我們從新同學開始聊吧: MATT BARNES 咩棒 While the Lakers were quick to pounce on Steve Blake, they looked for bargains to fill their backup SF needs. They lucked out when Matt Barnes' options dwindled and his former team went another direction. In Barnes, the Lakers get a versatile two-way player who provides a nice contrast behind Ron Artest. 當湖人飛快的去套牢小黑之後,他們對於SF的補強就只能找些較廉價的人選。 他們非常好運:咩棒因為前東家的方針而導致選擇變的更少。 拿到咩棒,湖人得到了個好用的搖擺人球員,跟蓉蓉可以拿來做個比較。 Offensively, Barnes is a respectable (but not great) three shooter. He's more effective from the wings than he is the corners or straight away. He has little use for the midrange game, preferring to move the ball or get into the paint. You can't sleep on him like you might be able to with Luke or Ron sometimes from the perimeter. When the D is occupied, he will cut off the ball, take the pass, go to the rim with the dribble if possible and finish. This off-ball movement also translates in some offensive rebounding opportunities. Like Ariza, Barnes shouldn't be a ball-dominant player in this offense. You won't see him trying to create his own shot. If he doesn't have a good opportunity, he'll move the ball. Barnes isn't as quick up and down the floor as Ariza was, but he's plenty fast. 進攻上來看:咩棒是一個值得注意(但還未臻卓越)的三分球射手, 他在兩翼的效率比他在角落或是正面更好。 他的中距離沒有什麼威脅,甚至更傾向於運球進油漆區去進行攻擊。 他在場上你在場邊可能會睡得不太安穩,就像有時候我疼和蓉蓉上場時那樣。 當他的防守發揮,如果有機會得分,他可以抄截並且自己帶球推進描籃框, 有時也能在進攻籃板這塊有所表現並製造進攻機會。 就像亞梨莎,咩棒並不需要在這支球隊持球過久, 你也不會看到他試著創造自己的進攻機會,一個人玩。 如果他沒有太好的機會,他會把球傳出去, 雖然不像亞梨莎能夠那樣高來高去,但是他的速度還是很快的。 Defensively, he's versatile enough to cover multiple positions. Phil will use him largely as a back up for Artest and Kobe (depending on the SG match up). But against a team like the Heat, he should be much more effective against LeBron than against Wade. (Barnes actually had some very good moments last year against LeBron defensively.) The trio of Kobe, Artest and Barnes at the 2/3 spots is as formidable defensive unit at those positions as there is in the league. Two-way impact ball is what wins in the playoffs and those guys can bring it. Barnes isn't a consistent impact player, but he'll give the team a greater overall percentage of two-way impact ball on the court. Perhaps, he'll have the occasional big game. Last year, his high games included a 28-point game against Denver (who on our bench last year could do that?), 16 boards against Indiana and 7 assists against the Lakers. Maybe this will be the team and situation where Barnes finally finds a home. 防守面來看:他在這方面的造詣可以使他勝任多個防守位置。 禪師將會大量啟用他來作為蓉蓉和科科的替補(根據SG是否錯位而調整)。 但是面對像是熱火這樣的球隊, 比起對抗典韋,他在對抗雷霸龍這方面應該會比較有效率。 (咩棒上季對雷霸龍真的有很多守的很不賴的防守表現。) 在這個聯盟,科科,蓉蓉和咩棒在二三號位上都是難以應付的防守個體。 攻守兩端的均衡就是他們在季後賽獲勝的本錢,他們可以完美展現這點。 咩棒並不是一個特別突出影響力的球員, 但是它可以對球隊整體攻守在場上產生更大的加分。 更何況他偶爾還會突然打出代表作。 去年球季,他的代表作包括對金塊砍下28分,(去年我們的板凳有誰能做到?) 對溜馬抓下16籃板和對湖人傳出七次助攻。 也許洛杉磯真的會是咩棒最後找到的家和歸屬。 THEO RATLIFF 鍋神 The third-string center job is now in the hands of veteran Theo Ratliff. While he doesn't have Mbenga's athleticism, Ratliff is still an effective shotblocker in the paint. Theo had 4 blocked shots in a game four different times last year. (One hopes that he can mentor Bynum in the finer points craft.) He started 29 games last season, splitting time with the Spurs and Bobcats. With the Cats, he averaged 22 minutes a game. With the Spurs, he averaged 8.7 minutes. How often will Phil use him? 湖人的第三中鋒位置現在落到了老將鍋神的手裡, 雖然沒有剛果人那樣的運動力,鍋神在禁區仍舊是個很有阻絕效果的火鍋王。 去年他送出四記火鍋的比賽就有四場,(其中一個目的就是簽他來點化小拜。) 他去年先發29場,分別在馬刺隊和山貓隊。 在山貓隊平均上場22分鐘,在馬刺則只有8.7分鐘, 禪師會多久讓他上場一次呢? Certainly, Mbenga didn't get that kind of run. Why? First, he was behind two impact bigmen in Bynum and Pau at that position. Second, Phil simply didn't trust him completely. He didn't quite know what he'd get and for Phil, that's one of his biggest fears as a coach. And Mbenga gave him plenty of that fear factor, often throwing a wrench in the offense and throwing off the flow. That "trust" factor shouldn't be as pronounced with Ratliff. He's a vet. You know what you get with a vet. Phil prefers known quantities. 不過確實,剛果人不太能勝任這個角色。為什麼? 首先,這個位置的上場要排在兩個具有非凡影響力的大個子:小拜和砲姐後面, 再來,禪師對於他絕對不能說是信任, 肥爾不知道要如何定位這個球員,這是作為一個教練最大的恐懼。 而且剛果人給予他相當多的不安定因素,包括經常擰身跳投破壞整個傳導。 不過這個信任因素換成鍋神來說應該就不會影響這麼顯著了, 他是個老鳥,你知道一個老鳥可以給你帶來什麼,肥爾喜歡這種感覺。 So what does that mean? It may allow Phil to rest his bigmen just a little more during the course of the season. That's good news for Bynum and Pau. And, bottomline, that probably means more overall impact than Congo Cash. But don't expect a lot. His highs in scoring were 11 points against the bigman-challenged Warriors and 11 boards against the Wizards. These numbers were nearly the same as Mbenga's best games, as well. 所以這代表什麼呢? 這代表情況准許肥爾在賽季中讓湖人的大個子們多休息一點點, 這對小拜和砲姐來說多是個好消息, 並且,至少這可能意味著鍋神會比剛果人在場上有更多的整體影響, 不過可別太期待。 他去年的代表作是對「大個子試煉」勇士隊拿下的11分,和對巫師抓的11籃板。 這個數字就跟剛果人去年的最佳表現差不多。 Theo's impact should be more on the "glue" side of things. Throw him in the mix and he might not stand out as much. He's still a decent weakside shot blocker, a presence in the paint. That allows the Laker perimeter players to aggressively defend. And, it may allow the Laker bigmen to be a hair more aggressive in their help D, as well, if they know Theo can fit into the schemes easily and hold down the fort longer than Mbenga. Phil may also use him at the PF spot on occasion, as well. That all depends on what happens with the young big the Lakers stole in the draft. 鍋神的任務或許更多在整合方面,把他放在一個群體裡,他並不會特別凸出。 他依舊是一個很好的弱邊補防火鍋者,在禁區裡有他的存在感。 這將允許湖人的外圍球員有更加侵略性防守的空間, 而且如果查覺到鍋神可以比剛果人更好的融入這支隊伍並且在場上待更久之後, 也可能會讓湖人的大個子們在協防上面更加兇猛。 肥爾也可能看情況把他放在PF的位置, 這全都取決於湖人禁區的年輕小夥子們處於什麼樣的情況。 DERRICK CARACTER 卡拉 Although there wasn't a tremendous amount of impact ball in the summer league this year, Caracter was one of the few standout bigmen. This was recognized by international teams that tried to entice him overseas. It also parlayed him into a guaranteed first year of his contract. Not bad for nearly the last guy picked in the draft, something Caracter is using as a motivating factor with his choice of No. 58 for his jersey number. 雖然沒有在今年的夏季聯賽中沒有太多球員展現出對球的影響力, 卡拉卻依然表現出自己是那些出色大個子中的其中一個。 這從被他吸引想延攬他至海外當傭兵的團隊就可窺知一二, 還有押注在他身上的第一年保障合約。 對於這個在選秀會上最後一個被選中的孩子來說, 選擇58號來作為自己的背號並不是一件壞事。 Summer league is one thing, preseason is another...and the regular season something else, as well. What did the scouts like about Caracter's game? 夏季聯賽是一回事,季前賽是另一回事,而季賽則差的更遠。 那卡拉的比賽內容,看點到底在哪裡呢? Offensively, he was a steady force in the summer league. In the post, he consistently rocked defenders off the block, overpowering them and drawing double teams. It reminded me of how stronger players overpowered Brian Cook in the summer leagues of Laker past. Caracter's strength is legit. So is his ability to create space and finish with both hands. He showed a very mature post game. But what happens when he runs into the bigger, stronger players of the NBA...will he still be effective? 進攻上來看:他在夏季聯盟是一股穩定的力量。 在他的位置上,他持續的撼動防守者的阻隔,壓制他們並迫使他們對自己包夾。 他的統治力甚至提醒我當年廚師在夏季聯盟是怎麼被吃人夠夠的, 卡拉的力量是相對正統的。 他的能力使他可以製造出空間並且用雙手完成進攻。他在比賽中表現非常成熟, 但是如果把他放到更大,更強球員充斥的NBA,他還能有如此的效率嗎? Caracter showed a very consistent perimeter game, with range out to 20 feet. The versatility to go inside and out will serve him very, very well in his career. In the triangle offense, versatility is your best friend. The more interchangeable you are, the more opportunities you will have. He'll have pinch-post, face-up jumpers; weak-to-strong flashes to the ball for 15-footers; post ups to work as a hub in the low post; and the two-man pick and pops that a guy like Blake loves to set up and Chicago bigmen lived off of in the triangle during the Bulls two three-peats. 卡拉在比賽中表現的非常一致,他的活動範圍大概就到20呎附近。 他進入禁區不可捉摸的手段將對他的籃球生涯是非常、非常、非常大的加分。 在三角戰術的體系之下,多面性將是你最好的朋友。 你有越多可以拿出來交換共享的技能,就能獲得越多的機會。 他會有收縮站位,面框跳投,球權強弱邊快速轉換到十五呎外; 在低位做為軸心運作,兩個人的小組擋拆以及和小黑這樣的組織後衛合作的機會。 就像當年在公牛隊的大個子在公牛隊的體系下生存,爭取兩次思樂冰那樣。 But surely a No. 58 pick can't make an impact, can they? The league has had a blind spot of sorts for certain bigmen. Steals can be had in the second round: A range of talent with similar size like Carlos Boozer, Paul Milsap, Brandon Bass, Ryan Gomes, Craig Smith, Dejuan Blair, Glen Davis, etc., have all come from the second round. That's a range of talent, but any bigman who sticks in the league after getting drafted in the second round is a good pick. 不過一個58順位的球員可以造成這樣的影響力嗎? 聯盟在這樣在分類這樣的大個子上早已有些盲點。 在第二輪淘金也早已不是新聞:有天賦而身材卻小一號的球員早有 Carlos Boozer,Paul Milsap,Brandon Bass,Ryan Gomes,Craig Smith, Dejuan Blair, Glen Davis……等人,他們全都來自第二輪。 他們這些人才也證明了就算是在第二輪拿到的大個子,依然會有好料存在的。 Will Mitch Kupchak now add Caracter to his second-round bigman steals in Ronny Turiaf and Marc Gasol? Think of it...if this was Jerry West who landed those picks and now has another potential steal on his hands at the 58 spot, would you be thinking different of Caracter's potential right now? Should you be thinking differently of Mitch? 現在庫胖可以把卡拉和跳跳虎和卡獸弟一起列到他的第二輪神偷清單裡了嗎? 想想……,如果現在是West拿到同樣的選秀權,也用58號簽偷到一個潛力股, 現在你對卡拉的想法有沒有改變呢? 為什麼同樣的事情,人們就要對庫胖投不信任票呢? The part of Caracter's skill set that appears to still need maturing is adjusting to the NBA defensive game. He was foul prone in the summer league. Some of it was him clearly not being used to the way the NBA calls the post. Some of it was just late to react to the speed of the game. And, maybe a little was needing a couple more inches to contest cleanly. Still, he held his own against the better players. He was rarely over-matched in the post. 關於卡拉的技巧部分,他依舊需要使之更成熟,調整至能面對NBA防守的等級。 他在夏季聯盟有犯規過多的傾向, 有些犯規是因為它並沒有被放在以往他常打的位置上, 有些則是單純跟不上比賽速度,太慢做出反應所導致。 可能也是需要一個好搭檔去競爭的更明確一些。 不過他在面對比自己更好的球員時依然能做好份內的事情, 他在防守的時候極少失去有利的站位。 The skills are there. Will it translate to more minutes than Powell behind LO and Pau? That would be very surprising in his first year, unless the Lakers have more blowouts than they did last year. His perimeter game could make an interesting mix with another skilled perimeter shooter in Pau. Phil will play a rookie that shows he belongs on the floor. In that way, Caracter is a wildcard in the mix this season. If he plays, no doubt Laker fans will be very pleased with getting something at the 58 spot...and continually annoyed with announcers and headline writers trying to be clever with puns on his name. 這就是他擁有的全部技巧, 他能比賈許更好,從砲姐和小拜那分到更多上場時間嗎? 除非今年湖人禁區大爆胎的情況比去年還要嚴重,不然上場時間應該不意外。 他在外圍的進攻投射也有機會和湖人另外一個也很在行的砲姐互相掩護。 他將會作為一個菜鳥,努力證明自己有能力待在場上。 在這方面,卡拉本季將做為湖人這個整體的外卡, 如果他能打,湖人迷絕對會因為在58順位撈到好寶而感到高興, 除了持續惹惱電視台播報員之外, 雜誌寫手將會為如何將他的名字完美的一語雙關登在版面上而感到苦惱。 DEVIN EBANKS 小班 With Luke Walton's health in limbo, Ebanks has a very strong chance of making the team. He nearly had a strong change at seeing some decent minutes this season. The addition of Matt Barnes, however, probably puts Ebanks into the Sun Yue/Adam Morrison role this season. The depth at the SF goes Artest, Barnes and Kobe before Ebanks is even tossed into the mix. 在我疼的健康狀況一直未明朗的情況下,小班有非常大的機率能加入輪替陣容。 他也有差不多的機率能在這個賽季表現出不錯的素質。 然而在咩棒加入之後,可能會把小班擠到板凳末段,就像孫悅和摸女生那樣。 在SF這個位置上的深度,在有了蓉蓉、咩棒、和偶爾代打的科科之後, 現在可以算小班一份了。 Ariza-like in looks and perhaps some of his game, EBanks showed a better-than-advertised jumper in the summer league (something Ariza didn't have coming into the league). Ebanks three range was there consistently and can certainly be made into a consistent weapon over time. He also showed some nice midrange from the elbows that will be available within the triangle. Ebanks has good athleticism (not the explosiveness that Trevor had) and serviceable handles. 不只長得像,就連比賽內容也神似亞梨莎, 夏季聯盟小班展現出比外界評價更令人驚艷的跳投能力, (某些亞梨莎在進入聯盟時還沒有的東西,) 小班展現出他在三分外線的穩定砲火,而這是他可以拿來當作主要攻擊武器的。 他也顯示出他在三角戰術內有在中距離附近跳投得分的能力, 小班擁有優良的運動能力(不過不像亞梨莎那樣具有爆炸性)和相當好的身體控制。 Defensively, he takes pride in his game. Having a player like Artest at his position to learn from will only help him improve. Ebanks seemed to be a little slow with some of his reaction time in the summer league. The NBA will only get faster and that will be a key adjustment he will have to make before playing to his defensive potential. 防守的部分,他可以對他的表現自豪。 有蓉蓉這樣的球員在他的位置前面對他來說只有好沒有壞。 在夏季聯盟的內容看來,小班的反應時間似乎是有點慢。 到了NBA只會更快,所以這對他來說將是很關鍵的調整, 在他上場之前展現他的防守天賦之前,他必須要克服這這個弱點。 -- (1) 拆成兩篇 讀起來輕鬆 翻起來也輕鬆 (2) 球員的綽號是我自己的惡趣味 不喜歡的話無視即可 餓了...吃飯去 -- 洛城 ███◣ 浪子 Los Angeles Boys ◢██◣ █ █ ◥█ φlin798183 ██ ██◤ █ ██◤ █◤◢█ █◣ ◢ ██◤ ◥ ◤ █ █ ◤ ◥█ ███◣ ███◤ ◢██ ◥██ ◢█◤ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.113.139.225
asdfe88466:未看先推 09/02 17:53
asd831129:未看先推 09/02 17:56
po19365:push~~~~~~~~` 09/02 17:58
sinrong: 未看先推 09/02 17:58
mbawen:看了也推 09/02 18:00
JordanFarmar:看完等下集,先推 09/02 18:01
chuanche:看完了 推推 09/02 18:04
hikaruton:不推不行~ 09/02 18:04
animalspell:推好文... 副作用是好文會讓我們更想念球季 09/02 18:09
jacklee60705:好文推~ 09/02 18:58
GANZ:好文!! 09/02 19:23
Bballer:沒比賽可看的日子真的好無聊阿 09/02 19:32
schc110197:好文推!!! 09/02 19:36
fireleon:推!! 09/02 19:38
kbcl:好文推!!辛苦了!!不過卡拉那邊有些翻的辭意不太對 09/02 19:44
kbcl:第一句是說雖然今年夏季聯盟沒有太令人有印象的球員 但卡拉是 09/02 19:45
kbcl:其中一名 09/02 19:45
Kreen:下咧(敲碗)~~~( ̄︶ ̄)=b 09/02 19:45
kbcl:還有廚師那邊是在酸他 他說卡拉的力量壓過其他球員 讓作者想 09/02 19:46
kbcl:到以前其他球員是怎麼欺負廚師的 09/02 19:46
的確你翻得比較準確 感謝啦 我沒看到there
dragonjohn:沒比賽只能看好文 09/02 19:53
ohmyya:純推不下 09/02 19:58
cutejerry25:推!! 09/02 20:02
benson:大推洛城ㄉㄉ 09/02 20:06
behero:推用心翻譯! 09/02 20:08
john7420:推!!期待看『下』篇 XDD 09/02 20:21
lyfenanook:推翻譯!!!!有好文章看真幸福!!! 09/02 20:24
ycsheaven:推翻譯!!!辛苦了~期待下篇 09/02 20:47
nopa118:推 09/02 21:12
rl55586:大推阿! 09/02 21:13
kerry0496x:加到最愛,明天自己先翻翻看XD 09/02 21:16
funkycat:竟然真的翻了XDD 大推! 09/02 21:43
cck1985:推! 09/02 21:45
bnsblue:推! 不過庫胖和J. West那邊不太懂淵源Q_Q 09/02 21:46
funkycat:看完再推,寫得很精彩,翻得也很用心~ 09/02 21:55
benson:就是說West放的屁都是香的.. Buss:West...where is my CP3? 09/02 21:57
ncaa032:看到頭暈不看了 直接給推 09/02 22:01
hfi780:大家都認為West才是湖人最棒的總管 卻忽略了庫胖其實也不賴 09/02 22:07
※ 編輯: LABOYS 來自: 140.113.139.225 (09/02 22:21)
mangojocker:沒有不推的理由.. 09/02 23:56
goldenlen:推~ 09/03 00:24
obvince:推!!! 09/03 01:04
rogan32:大推啊 09/03 01:28
obsessions:超棒的好文! 09/03 03:12
v00001:推 09/03 10:08
chancewen:看完推!! 09/03 10:10
a2581266:推,翻的真好 09/03 11:52
aatcr1211:推 09/03 20:12
momowawa1981:push 09/04 08:43
scq2389: 09/04 18:21