[外電] Lakers debate NBA's new technical foul rule

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Lakers debate NBA's new technical foul rule
湖人對於新規則的討論


--Mark Medina
Twitter.com/latmedina

原文網址 : http://0rz.tw/Ovsem

In what amounted to be a free clinic, Lakers forward Lamar Odom demonstrated
after practice Thursday how ordinary reactions within the flow of a
basketball game could easily be perceived as demonstrative acts.

在當週四的訓練後，Lamar Odom在治療室裡示範了一下 -
現在籃球比賽中正常的情緒表達及某些尋常反應，
是怎樣“一不小心”就被劃為需要吞技術犯規(後簡稱T)的範疇。


That certainly appeared to be the case when Odom was given a technical foul
in the Lakers' 98-95 exhibition victory Wednesday over the Sacramento Kings.
Officials determined he left his hands up in the air too long after he was
called for a foul on Kings power forward Carl Landry with 6:35 left in the
second quarter, but Odom's body language clearly showed he wasn't protesting
the call. That's just one example that prompted the NBA players union to say
it's planning to sue the league over its new rule, with executive director
Billy Huntersaying in a statement that rules changes are "an unnecessary and
unwarranted reaction." Lakers guard Derek Fisher, the union's president,
didn't speak to reporters after practice because he had an NBA Cares
commitment.

當然一切的起因 -
就是Odom在當週三98：95湖人戰勝沙加緬度國王的季前賽裡吃到的那個T。

官方記錄表明，這個T出現在第二節還剩6分35秒時，
當時Odom在被裁定對國王Carl Landry裡犯規後把他的手“舉在半空時間過長”，
儘管當時他的肢體語言很清楚的表明他並沒有抗議此判罰的意思。
NBA球員工會正在計畫針對新規定向聯盟提出控訴，
而Odom事件只是促使他們做出此決定的其中一個範例，協會執行主管Billy Hunter表示，
這些規則的改變實在是“毫無必要且毫無理由的倒退”，
協會主席Derek Fisher當天因為出席NBA社區關懷活動而未能對此發表評論。


The NBA has doubled the fine for technical fouls, charging players $2,000 for
each of their first five, increasing it to $5,000 once they reach No. 16 and
handing out one-game suspensions for every other one after that. As
ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan reported, officials have given out 69 technical
fouls in the first 59 exhibition games for violations other than defensive
three-second calls. That's the most amount of technical fouls given, Sheridan
reports citing the Elias Sports Bureau, since Oct. 14, 2009, when there were
51 technical fouls through the first 62 exhibition games.

聯盟還加倍了吃T後的罰金，
前5個T需要支付每個2000鎂，而在累計達到16個T之後，
每多一個T除了罰金加價到5000鎂之外還需在後一場比賽中禁賽一場。

引用ESPN Chris Sheridan的報導，在目前的前59場季前賽裡，
聯盟已經吹出了共計69個T，除了防守3秒違例的各類行為都可能招致一個T。

heridan還引用了Elias Sports Bureau在2009年10月14日的統計並指出，
這一數字也是自當年的62場季前賽吹出51個T後的全新記錄。

"It's just a little weird," Odom said. "It's hard to determine what's
detrimental to the game.

“這的確很怪” Odom說，
“實在難以定義究竟怎樣該被認為對比賽進行不利。”

"If you drop an 'F'bomb while you raise your hand, then I can understand. If
you try to intimidate with body language, I can understand. Or if you go a
little crazy using your body, I can understand. If you're using your body, I
can understand. But if you're making a gesture that's derogatory or not
pointed at anyone, then how could a ref off the ball or on the play call a
tech? I think it's pretty tough."

“要是你一邊舉手一邊喊Fxxx什麼的，那還能理解；
  要是你用肢體語言表達恐嚇意圖，那也能理解；
  要是你有點兒抓狂，或者的確在‘使用’你的肢體，那可以理解；

  可是要是你既沒有針對任何人，也沒有什麼不敬的意思，那就有點太超過了，
  僅僅就這一球表達一下自己的感受也能給一個T？”

As indicated by Kevin Garnett's ejection Wednesday during the second quarter
of the Celtics-Knicks exhibition game, officials haven't shown favoritism
toward star players when enforcing the rule. Various Lakers had their own
theories. Odom joked that such a strict interpretation of the rule could lead
to a change in the league's marketing slogan from "Where Amazing Happens" to
"Where Normal Happens," given that many of the promos feature players
reacting with emotion after a highlight reel play. Pau  Gasol joked that he
wouldn't even complain about a call in Spanish in case some of the referees
are bilingual. (In an interesting aside, Knicks center Timofey Mozgov got a
technical foul for complaining about a call in Russian as he walked past one
of the referees Wednesday during the Knicks-Celtics game). And Lakers Coach
Phil Jackson shared that during the Sacramento game, his coaching staff
jokingly alerted officials about Kings players who held their hands in the
air too long but worried that the rule might spur teams to engage in what he
calls "tit for tat."

如同Kevin Garnett在當週三賽隊和尼克的季前賽第二節吃到的T所表明的，
官方在推行此次新規中並沒有針對大牌們有什麼偏袒，即所謂的“明星哨”，
對此不少湖人們都有自己的看法。

Odom打趣說，這樣嚴格的規則詮釋將會造成的一個後果 -
就是聯盟的市場口號：

該從"Where Amazing Happens" 改成"Where Normal Happens,"才對，
看看原來那些在精彩進球後球員們充滿感情的反應所製成的“廣告版面”和“特寫”吧。

Gasol則開玩笑說他甚至不打算用西班牙語來抱怨了，
萬一那裁判聽得懂就囧了。
（說到這個其實已經有‘實例’了：
  尼克中鋒Timofey Mozgov就因為在走過其中一位裁判時用俄語碎碎念著對判罰的不滿，
  而得到了一個T，同樣出現在週三塞爾提克對尼克的那場季前賽裡。）

至於Phil Jackson，他談到在湖人和國王的比賽裡，
湖人制服組們甚至紛紛開玩笑的不斷提醒裁判：
國王的球員們誰誰又把手舉的過久啦之類的，
不過他可不希望由此刺激的各隊們都忙於“爭鋒相對”而不管場上的正事。


Still, Jackson said he prefers the league makes an effort to decrease
demonstrative acts, though the NBA issued similar guidelines before the
2006-07 campaign only to abandon enforcement over the course of the season.

而且看起來Phil Jackson還是很支持聯盟能在減少那些‘過頭’舉動上多做嘗試，
其實早在06-07賽季聯盟就推出過類似的規定，不過賽季開始不久就被廢止了。


"Guys will learn," Jackson said. "The one thing about it is guys will learn
quickly if they're fined or get ejected. It's one of those things that we
say, if you want to stop carrying, if you want to stop traveling ... just
call it. Guys will stop doing it."

“他們會學到的”，Jackson如是說，
“只要被罰錢了，被逐出場了，球員們很快就會學乖的，就像我們說的那樣，”
“你想制止翻球？你想制止帶球走步？
  吹你的小哨子就行了，使勁兒吹，然後小夥子們下次就不會再犯了。”


But the assessment from Odom and Gasol revealed they don't have a problem
with the new rule so much as to what degree officials will enforce it. That
issue in itself, they fear, could create inconsistency with calls and
possibly lead to unnecessary fines. After all, as Odom said, "I want to keep
my money."

從Odom和Gasol的評論看起來，
他們對於新規到底將被強制推行到何種程度其實並沒有太大意見，

而他們擔心的說到底不過是不希望由‘T的上漲’增加不必要的‘罰款支出’。
如同Odom說的，歸根究底“我想留著我的錢”。


"I don't know if there's much we can do other than see what happens, go
through it and complain," Gasol said. "I don't know -- if we complain, we'll
get fined even more. So hopefully talk to Derek and he can do whatever he
can. From our perspective, play and try to respect any changes."

“事實上除了走著瞧，我也不知道我們還能做些什麼”Gasol表示，

“我不知道……看起來如果我們抱怨了，我們就得繳納更多的罰款，
  所以衷心希望Derek可以從他的角度做些什麼，就我們的觀點來說，
  只是打好球，然後嘗試去尊重任何改變而已。”



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※ LABOYS:轉錄至看板 NBA                                           10/24 20:01
→ fishblack:哈哈...KB 莎莎 Pau 講西文的時候都是髒話嗎XDDDD
→ kerry0496x:==================強烈希望工會介入=================
→ kerry0496x:這個新規定讓我更不想看例行賽了
推 SYOFORC:聽起來有點矯枉過正
推 fisher0201:第二段倒數第三行 "而Oodm事件...."  Odom拼錯了XDDD
※ 編輯: LABOYS          來自: 140.113.123.33       (10/24 20:15)
推 ymca900:都同一隊的  kobe至少也出個聲音吧  唉～
→ kerry0496x:給某人，Kobe自己也是T王，但他想對得起薪水
→ kerry0496x:(或是球癮@@) 正在練球，沒空管這些，所以人家高薪
→ kerry0496x:薪水很多時候就是態度與實力的證明，這是社會現實
→ kerry0496x:原PO修養好，要是我就刪推文了
推 ymca900:就是因為它是領全聯盟最高薪　更要發聲啊
→ ymca900:你想想　如果三千萬不發聲　人家會以為它是站在資方那
→ ymca900:本身也是勞方的kobe　很尷尬
→ kerry0496x:臉皮真厚...  可以否定你先前對Kobe的印象
→ kerry0496x:愛和裁判吵、討論，然後是湖人超容易吃T的人
→ CarlosArroyo:只有你這樣想吧 小朋友
→ kerry0496x:這些看球的記憶，都可以因為立場而否定掉，真是夠了
推 ymca900:不用個人印象　這是很單純的勞資問題
→ SULICon:勞跟資都能誤認我也不知道書讀到哪了
→ kerry0496x:那我得說你替他人預設立場的功力非常差
→ kerry0496x:Nene他是不想認真酸，你就學，要學也要學高招啊
推 lyfenanook:某y你是一天沒kobe會死是不是???
→ SULICon:他會不會死我不知道  但是他父母應該很傷心
→ kerry0496x:龍虎王，刪了我的推文吧，很後悔跟他交流，真是不值
→ YamagiN:其實我也想問"你們不要理他是會死是不是?" XD
→ kerry0496x:所以希望我的推文被刪掉@@  我會理他真是修養不足@@
→ SULICon:我比較想呼籲大家多關懷他耶～
推 ymca900:本身也是勞方的kobe竟然疑似站在資方那　說來也真有趣
→ YamagiN:沒梗實在很難引起我的意願QQ
推 troygenius:屎疼：吹一個T賺2000鎂，多吹一點
→ SULICon:勞方是指他有請傭人嗎XD
→ SULICon:乖～來點會一點的～不要總是想一堆假設議題咩
推 kerry0496x:=============龍虎王，刪了我的推文吧================
推 ymca900:雖然NBA就是一場秀 但是只有史騰跟kobe的秀 那倒也很無聊
→ ymca900:請三思
推 santabrelai:ymca哥加油，我快要成為你的粉絲了，跟著你到湖人板來
→ SULICon:有道理！你還是別浪費時間看這無聊的東西吧
→ SULICon:連國王版的santa哥都慕名而來XD
→ SULICon:我花蓮有認識不錯的腦內神經科～需要嗎＠＠？
→ santabrelai:我相當佩服您不知所云卻能推上幾十行文的強悍風彩
→ YamagiN:像是葉教授的風範
推 dpogcnn:我上湖人版的時間可能還沒他長...
推 ohnaoh:是說這樣也滿厲害的
推 jqp9b:還有你ymca大大在，NBA怎麼可能會是kobe、史騰二人的秀呢?
推 Kreen:推～
推 bbjason520:某y這次酸的有點硬，可能還要再加點油，加油!!
推 s80454:某y怎麼整天在nba版跟湖人版酸kobe阿...現實生活太閒?
→ Kreen:可能找不到工作吧。你們不要這樣，給他點面子好嗎？
→ Kreen:人家很想跟我們一起推文耶～
推 chinhan1216:他時間真的很多
推 oneders39:你當然沒Y哥久 他連半夜兩點都會上湖版指教
推 mr81lakers:我上湖板的時間都沒歪哥長 他可以填個板友名單了
→ obvince:歪哥 自HIGH界的霸主
推 mikehu:這時候只要跟著羞辱他就好了
推 FrienDx:y先生有貓餅
→ chancewen:大家在爭啥(￣▽￣＃)﹏﹏
推 spirolin:ymca的水準大家不知道嗎? 在NBA笑話版不是混假的
推 MatLab2007:Kobe在湖人最常被吹T 沒知識也要有常識
推 QuentinHu:我覺得增加罰款就好啦 犯不著把規定亂改 =.=
→ lakerslee08:Y哥的工作不是在NBA板酸湖嗎
推 u2gogowin:理y歌幹嘛  kb是球員你以為他是政治家喔
→ u2gogowin:y哥: 本身也是勞方的kobe竟然疑似站在資方那
→ u2gogowin:快笑死了 XDDD 混亂的邏輯  神奇的推論  不懂事故
推 AndKobe:純推歪哥 很少酸酸講話這麼無趣又沒戰火的還愛現
→ freeroce:姚明可以用中文罵...~"~||
推 mercuryblue:我覺得用台語罵應該還是最威猛的
推 kerry0496x:那是你沒看過大陸人同時用多種方言罵髒話XD