Fw: [外絮] 對湖人來說,聰明的交易一定是最好的交易?

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標題: [外絮] 對湖人來說,聰明的交易一定是最好的交易?
時間: Tue Mar 13 14:19:27 2012




Source：Yahoo!Sports 
By Kelly Dwyer | Ball Don't Lie



For the Lakers, the smart trade might not always be the best trade

Minds could change, and Houston Rockets point man Kyle Lowry might become a Los
Angeles Laker, if the two teams decide to sign off on revisiting last
December's deal that could put Pau Gasol in a Houston Rocket uniform. The
transaction would presumably also send big forward Luis Scola to Los Angeles.
Boston Celtics All-Star Rajon Rondo could become a Los Angeles Laker, if the
team decides to part with Gasol, as well. Both options would presumably work
wonders for Los Angeles, gifting them a needed creator at a position that isn't
ably being filled by Derek Fisher and Steve Blake at the moment. And though
Gasol's all-around work would be missed, adding a player like Scola would ease
in the transition.


想法可能會改變，而休士頓火箭隊的關鍵先生 Kyle Lowry 或許會成為洛杉磯湖人隊的一員
，如果這兩隊決定像去年12月時一樣重新坐下來達成協議的話，那麼 Pau Gasol 將會穿上
休士頓火箭的球衣出賽。這個異動據推測火箭方面也將把大前鋒 Luis Scola 打包送到洛杉
磯去。而波士頓賽爾提克的全明星後衛 Rajon Rondo 也是可能成為湖人隊員的人選之一，
如果湖人方面也決定還是與 Gasol 分道揚鑣的話。這兩個選擇不管怎麼選對湖人來說應該
都是挺靠譜的，在Derek Fisher和Steve Blake無法有效地當勝任1號位這個位置的情況下，
得到了他們亟欲需要的控球後衛。然而雖然這個決定將使球隊可能失去如Gasol般全能的貢
獻，但找來像Scola這樣的球員來填補，應該會減輕一些損失。


Despite the nouveau Laker front office's desire to depart with Gasol, though,
it wouldn't appear to make much of a difference. Because in spite of the team's
newfound willingness to put the ball in Andrew Bynum's hands down the stretch
of close games, this offense wouldn't appear to take to on-paper improvements.
The ball is still going to be going to Kobe Bryant for long stretches, and the
team would still need a lights-out shooter more than anything at the point
guard position.


儘管湖人新的制服組很想把Gasol給交易出去，然而，這還是不會有什麼太大的改變。因為
不管球隊在上一場比賽到了最後關鍵時刻時(95-94湖人領先老賽1分時)，找到了新招主動提
出把球交給Andrew Bynum的手上也把最後勝負關鍵交給了他(Kobe在賽後說這是他的決定而
不是總教練Mike Brown的要求)，但那次的進攻策略並不代表實際上的改善。主導球的人依
然會長時間地在Kobe Bryant手中，而球隊將還是需要一位關鍵時刻殺手(clutch player)
勝過任何在控球後衛上的需求。


It's a lovely luxury to have, if Los Angeles would just own up and realize it.


如果湖人願意就承認並且認清這一點，這是一個甜蜜的負擔。


Taking down a brittle Boston Celtics team at home, even coming off the end of a
tough road trip (that first game back is always the toughest) shouldn't be
thought of as a major step forward for these Lakers. But it could be a start,
especially with the Los Angeles Clippers fading in the Pacific standings. The
team has just three days left to avoid making a deal; even if (on paper) adding
a borderline All-Star (this year, at least) in Lowry and an 85 percent
approximation of Gasol in Scola would help the team immeasurably.


在主場擊敗老弱的波士頓賽爾提克，就算才結束艱困的客場之旅(3/6 @DET、3/7 @WAS、3/9
@MIN)，應該也不會想到湖人隊在想法上會有這麼大的突破。但這可能只是一個開始，尤其
是當洛杉磯快艇在太平洋組的排名逐漸下滑的情況之下(進入3月後快艇戰績3W4L)。而湖人
距離交易截止日期只剩下3天的時間；就算找來勉強算的上是All-Star的Lowry(至少今年是)
和擁有幾乎Pau Gasol 8成5功力的Scola或許在戰力上也能帶給湖人無法預料的正面能量。

That's on paper. Scola would still be asked to do the things that Gasol is
often forced into, like shooting pick and pop jumpers as if he was Carlos
Boozer or Kevin Garnett. Gasol (and Scola) don't have that sort of perimeter
talent, despite the occasional outside flush. These are players that need the
ball, and in a Kobe-centric offense, they're not going to get the ball.

在理論上。Scola應該還會被要求做一些Gasol被迫要做工作，像是撿子彈或是跳投就好像他
是Carlos Boozer或是Kevin Garnett的功用一樣。Gasol(和Scola)並沒有那種天賦，雖然偶
爾也會在外線神來一筆(Gasol今年投進3顆3分球)。適合像這種球員的打法是需要有球在他
們手中，而在以Kobe為進攻核心的系統裡，他們將拿不到球。


The same goes for Lowry, and especially Rondo. Adding a penetrator and creator
at that position would seem to be the right tonic when you add up the
Efficiency Ratings and look at things from an "anything's better than
Fisher"-angle, but in practice I'm having a hard time seeing this work. Let's
say Lakers coach Mike Brown hands the keys to Lowry or Rondo, let's them
dribble into the paint endlessly and find whoever's open. This makes Kobe
Bryant (shooting 28 percent on 3-pointers this year) your spot-up shooter?
You're asking the bigs to finish with baseline jumpers?


情況對Lowry來說是一樣的，尤其當我們講的是Rondo的時候。在控球後衛這個位置上找來
具有切入能力和創造隊友機會，而且當你找來的是一個在EFF排行榜上更有效率而且在任何
角度比較起來不管怎麼看都是「完勝老漁」的後衛時，看起來都會是一個正確的決策，但回
到現實的時候我陷入了深思。打個比方來說， 湖人的總教練Mike Brown把球交給了Lowry或
是Rondo，讓他們不斷地運球切入禁區裡面，然後再找到空檔把球傳出去。用這種打法把
Kobe Bryant(本季在3分線上的命中率是28%)當作定點射手來用？要求大個子們在底線跳投ꄊ

These are players that need to dominate the ball, and that's not a knock on
Lowry or Rondo. This is just how they function, and how (not why) they put up
those fantastic numbers. Adding that to the Lakers takes away Kobe Bryant's
ability to dominate the ball, or the chance of dumping the ball into Gasol down
low, just to see what he can create.


適合這種球員的打法是讓他們主導球權，不是故意要挑剔Lowry或是Rondo。這只是他們的功
能，而也就是這樣的打法讓他們在助攻數據上繳出亮眼的成績單(Lowry平均本季7.2次、
Rondo則是10次)。找來這樣的球員與Kobe Bryant主導球的能力相互牴觸，或是失去Gasol在
低位拿到球時，他在低位的影響力。


Worse, it means giving up on something that could lead the Lakers to another
title. Despite the presence of Fisher and Blake. Despite Mike Brown's up and
down coaching.


更糟的是，這意味著湖人將放棄球隊可能贏得另一座冠軍的希望。儘管有Fisher和Blake的
存在。儘管Mike Brown搖擺不定的執教方式。


Kobe Bryant just isn't going to work with another creator. That's not some
side-stepped way of telling you that Kobe is selfish, rather, that's just a
function of his position. Kobe ain't Ray Allen or Kevin Martin, ready to roll
off a dozen screens and go up for the jumper. He's an all-around destroyer of
worlds, and you don't take away that ability just because you're able to trade
for someone that contributes more than Fisher and Blake, or because you think
dumping that big, softy, mopey (7-footer with incredible skill, and low-post
anchor on two championship teams) in Gasol is worth it just to do something at
the trade deadline.


Kobe Bryant 只是無法與其他需要長時間持球的playmaker一起搭配。而不是拐彎抹角地跟
你說Kobe是個自私的球員，更確切地說，那只是他在球場上的能發揮的功用。Kobe不是Ray-
Allen或是Kevin Martin，在擋拆戰術中找到絕佳地出手空檔並直接投射。他是在這個世界
上一位具有全面性破壞力的球員，而不能因噎廢食地只因為可以透過交易找到一個比起
Fisher或是Blake更有貢獻的球員而捨棄了這種能力，或是只因為你覺得要拋售高大、打球
很軟、看起來意志消沉(身高7呎並有著不可思議的技巧，而且在球隊拿下2次總冠軍時還是
球隊在低位最有力的支柱)的Gasol，趁他還有交易價值時在交易大限前做一些改變。



Los Angeles shouldn't pull the trigger because they can. This is a team that
needs to look in house and realize what it has. A top-heavy unit, sure, but one
that can succeed in a Western Conference that is looking more and more takeable
by the day.


洛杉磯方面不應該只因為他們可以交易而為交易。這是一個需要關起門來認真檢視，並去了
解球隊到底擁有什麼。當然，現在球隊不是很穩定， 但是他們是有能力闖過西區冠軍賽，
且隨著賽程進行看起來也正越來越步入正軌。


This isn't to pump up Fisher and Blake. The team is getting just 11 points,
seven assists and 37 percent shooting in 50 damn minutes of per-game play from
these two, to say nothing of the dodgy defense. We're not here to tell you
about some intangible factor that these two exude, enough to keep you from
dealing for a player like Lowry or Rondo.


這不是要把Fisher和Blake的臉打腫充胖子。他們兩位平均每場比賽只為球隊貢獻11分(Fish
-er：5.7pts；Blake：5.6pts)、7次助攻(Fisher：3.4asts；Blake：3.5asts)和37%的投籃
命中率(Fisher：38.3%；Blake：37.1%)，這還不包括他們慘不忍睹的防守。我們不是要告
訴你因為他們倆還有在數據上看不見的幫助，所以值得留下他們而捨棄找來像是Lowry或是
Rondo的球員。


And this isn't to tell you that everything is going swell in El Lay. This is a
team that has won 25 games through what is usually half of an NBA season. You
do the math. The Lakers don't do 50 wins. They do 60.


而這也不是要告訴你說LA(El Lay的讀音 = LA，與Lao-Da異曲同工)將會發生什麼改變。
這支球隊在半個球季已經贏了25場比賽。你也學過算數，湖人不會拿下50勝，他們會拿下60
勝。(這裡說的是以82場例行賽來看的話吧)


At least they should. And if the ball is moving from the inside-out, with
Bynum, Bryant and Pau Gasol taking on equal offensive shares, then this will be
a borderline unguardable team. This core is championship-worthy. It's only up
to the core, and the executives that can break it up, to realize that.


至少他們應該要拿下才對。而如果湖人在進攻中以Bynum、Bryant和Gasol為主打inside-out
，讓這3個人在平均分配球並讓球流動的話，那麼這支球隊將幾乎是守不住的。用這個核心
組合的湖人隊稱得上是具有爭奪總冠軍實力的球隊。關鍵只是在於這3個人身上，能不能夠
好好執行分工合作，並認清這一點而已。



Metta World Piece：where the fxxk am I？


2011-12 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Point Guards


RANK           PLAYERS             PER   

1          Chris Paul             26.88  
2          Derrick Rose           25.09
3          Russell Westbrook      23.64
4          Tony Parker            22.04
5          Lou Williams           21.86
6          Steve Nash             21.75
7          Stephen Curry          21.62
8          Deron Williams         21.55
9          Kyrie Irving           21.43
10         Jeremy Lin             20.78  
11         Kyle Lowey             19.57
17         Rajon Rondo            18.8
53         Steve Blake             8.99
54         Derek Fisher            8.82



來源：http://ppt.cc/AcAM


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※ 編輯: taylorliao      來自: 61.220.50.74         (03/13 14:20)

※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc)
※ 轉錄者: douglasyeh (112.105.133.221), 時間: 03/13/2012 14:26:53
推 cvbn7910:是"太平洋組"喔
→ richard1003:一篇廢話,又說湖人不該交易又說湖人陣容有洞
→ richard1003:說湖人陣容有洞又說湖人有冠軍希望,完全自相矛盾
→ richard1003:根本不知道他想表達什麼
→ cvbn7910:跟我們輸球後的討論串一模一樣阿
→ benson:三個人就能奪冠 那熱火第一年就得到了吧 雖然是早晚問題XD
→ afdm1234:有洞跟冠軍希望不見得有衝突吧
→ angelmax:他的意思是只要Kobe和雙塔連線能夠更平衡的分享球權
→ cvbn7910:感覺他想論述KOBE進攻方式跟補進PG的持球時間吧
→ angelmax:就可以彌補後場和板凳砲火不足的問題吧
推 richard1003:兩個洞在那邊,說有冠軍希望根本是自欺欺人
→ richard1003:怎麼可能,就算三主力分享球權好了,對手PG還是守不住
→ richard1003:外線還是丟不進,還是沒人能切入阿
推 taylorliao:我修正了原文!抱歉了各位湖版大大
推 cvbn7910:切入真的是重點 不然防守站位沒辦法造成重疊或破壞
推 cgd85421:這篇再跳甚麼針...
→ afdm1234:2S3B不見得比3S2C好
推 hawk920412:作者寫到頭暈了嗎XDDDDDD
※ 編輯: douglasyeh      來自: 112.105.133.221      (03/13 14:37)
→ richard1003:他講得好像雙塔每場出手40次就沒問題了一樣....
推 RogerBryant:只剩下3天了...到底會不會交易呢?不想看到GASOL走又想
→ RogerBryant:要有堪用的控衛...
推 sVs:現在感覺就是敵不動我不動 結果全部人卡住
→ sVs:都在等人開第一槍
→ angelmax:魔獸一動大家就跟著動了
→ jimli:是等魔獸開第一槍吧 還是很多隊幻想拿到他才不動交易
→ jimli:他如果最後一刻才成交 那真的其他隊都不用交易了
推 LBJKO:我覺得最後一段說的還OK阿 只是沒到冠軍深度那麼好...
→ LBJKO:像昨天那樣打  確實不是很好守XD
推 sVs:可是魔獸開的條件太多了 大家都怕他季外又跑了
→ angelmax:所以說就不要到時候魔術什麼都換不到 XD
→ douglasyeh:要留姐姐又補後衛的話就拿小黑換felton吧XDD
推 cvbn7910:魔術第一指標還是想留吧 可能到最後一天不行了 才會交易
推 transformer8:就算三人能COVER兩個洞好了 還有替補問題呢?
→ transformer8:三分球?
→ transformer8:最好是這樣有冠軍相啦
→ violing613:魔術就盡量哄那位公主說外面環境也很糟 買點禮物就好了
推 steven610381:祈求世界和平吧
→ angelmax:不過我不太懂 魔獸是不肯接受先簽後換嗎?
推 afdm1234:拿翹罷了~~交易前放的話都聽聽就算了
→ richard1003:他就是想去抱大腿,所以不肯承諾續約才會卡住
推 jimli:只有籃網他要先簽後換吧 但是籃網的菜魔術不喜歡
→ richard1003:有能力交易他的球隊都沒大腿可抱
→ jimli:想抱大腿又不承認 想換的球隊也不太敢換怕明年就跑了
→ violing613:看他們那樣 不分手也是怨偶 除非中彩卷
→ violing613:那魔獸越看越像嚴重公主病患者 只是真的正罷了 ww
推 kb81:他大概是想說三個主力每場都平均和得８０分最後一定總冠軍吧
→ cvbn7910:最近流行抱大腿
→ richard1003:湖人有腿給他抱他又不要,說不想撿子彈= =
→ violing613:獸：我不能給人家說我是個靠人家養的女人!
推 jimli:就是一個傲嬌的重度公主病患者
推 cvbn7910:想去籃網= = 還不是Deron老大
推 norman2:不希望姊姊走
推 GuinMau:如果老大能多分享一點球給禁區，那該有多好(望著天空~)
推 freeroce:好好執行工作...唉ˇˇ
推 lword:不希望姊姊換到賽隊去 他打賽對時有一股氣
推 transformer8:說真的 魔獸去了籃網 籃網馬上可以衝擊總冠軍?
→ transformer8:不相信...
推 Bigcookie2:這篇到底再說啥?
推 pringle348:這個作者從頭到尾都在打自己的臉 真有趣
→ pringle348:而且為什麼有人傳導kobe就只能砍三分? 不能C&S?
→ pringle348:然後大個子就只能底線跳投? 他的論點也太薄弱
推 oneders39:gasol撿子彈和跳投沒天賦?  這是比BO還差的意思？
→ mcbirdy:湖人已經第三名了！
推 clark78118:MWP復活+三分神準就剩pg一個洞了
推 gjack:PG只要Rank在Rondo前面的,誰都好
推 tealee:老實說我看不懂在說甚麼感覺像很多評論的雜燴= =
推 auron4041:就廢話一篇
推 OdomLamar:MWP只要能恢復防守+普通攻擊效果 就超夠用了
→ OdomLamar:MWP還真的是領多少錢做多少事啊...
推 jerryyuan:明天就第四了
推 zealeliot:雖然看不懂作者再說甚麼 不過好像很厲害的樣子
→ afdm1234:懶人包~無雙塔無冠軍
推 ping1777:如果當初簽到Lin就不用這麼卡了*吧
推 Bigcookie2:就算簽到Lin  他在湖人也只是跑跑龍套
推 ethan323:簽到林 他有機會上場"先發"嗎
推 SNAILRICE:簽到LIN他可能就是第二個SUN
推 s80454:阿泰以前真的很強...以前...
推 dehong:他的意思應該是指 簽個有三分投射 有防守 會導球 而且又不
→ dehong:需要長時間持球的PG吧?
→ nepenthes7:Rank在軟豆前面的我找不到超過五個....
→ chancewen:Lin在湖人也是老魚當先發拉...想太多
→ nepenthes7:羅莉生病 Curry受傷 Lin還沒有打滿整季 etc..
→ nepenthes7:湖人能交易的目標都沒啦XD
→ kobesniper:好險當初沒簽LIN 不然都不用看電視新聞了
推 rexagi1988:如果簽了LIN  搞不好會看到寶傑說KOBE去自盡吧XDDD
→ o0991758566:不會啦~Lin在湖人保證只有垃圾時間才會打,根本沒機會
→ sneak: 我覺得最後一段說的還O https://daxiv.com