[外電] 湖人巨星正在傷害他的球隊嗎?

[lesnaree2 (lo)]

這篇用了三個Play的影片來解釋Kobe在防守上的錯誤，值得參考

http://nba.si.com/2012/12/10/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-court-vision/


Kobe Bryant gambles a ton on defense. When those gambles pay off, limited
opponents can be completely handcuffed by that additional ball pressure. When
Kobe is caught cheating off his man, the Lakers pay for it with uncontested
layups, open threes and necessary fouls. He puts his team in a horrible
position on an all too frequent basis, as Darius Soriano illustrates in his
video breakdown of some of Bryant’s more annoying defensive habits:

科比有太多的賭博性防守了，當這些賭博成功時，對手就會受到更多壓迫而打得拘束

但是當他失敗時，湖人就要因此付出代價:無人防守的上籃、空檔三分球和必要的犯規

他常常讓球隊陷入很糟糕的處境:就如Darius Soriano在他的影片中解釋科比那擾人的

防守習慣:

http://0rz.tw/v6yxQ

Lakers’ Defensive Problems Include Kobe Bryant

湖人的防守問題包含了科比

The Lakers’ have fundamental problems on D, mostly related to denying
dribble penetration and how they don’t always help the helper. Any team can
make the first rotation just fine, but the difference between a solid defense
and an elite one is the ability to make the second and third rotation on any
given possession. Right now, the Lakers don’t make those late possession
rotations very well and they’re paying for it.

湖人的防守有相當根本的問題，通常是在防止切入和第二波的幫忙防守

許多隊都能在第一次的轉換防守做得不錯，但不錯的防守和很好的防守的差別就在於

在做第二次和第三次防守轉換時的應變能力，現在，湖人隊就是沒辦法作好這後者，

他們也因此付出代價

But those are the big picture issues. On an individual level, this defense is
failing countless times over the course of the game. And while no one is
immune, there are players whose bad habits are sticking out like a sore
thumb. And while it may be difficult for some people to hear, one of the
chief culprits is Kobe Bryant.

但除此之外還有更大的問題在，在個人防守方面，比賽過程中防守已經出現無數的失誤了

當然沒有人是免疫的，有些球員的防守壞習慣就被突顯出來，這對有些人來說很難入耳

但最大的罪魁禍首是科比。

Mr. Bean may be playing his heart out on offense (we’ll get to this later)
but he’s not showing that same commitment to the defensive side of the ball.
There are multiple possessions each game in which he makes fundamental
mistakes and it’s costing the Lakers. Again, he’s not alone. But as a
leader of the team, he needs to be doing better.

科比可能在進攻上耗費太多心力了(等等會提到)但他在防守端卻沒有拿出相當的貢獻

他在每場比賽中都犯下不少的根本錯誤，這也傷害到湖人。但他也不是唯一一個人，

只是他身為球隊領袖就要做得更好。

One of Kobe’s chief mistakes is that he gets caught watching the ball too
often

其中一個錯誤就是他太常盯著球看

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2u2YhHAcXmI

On this play, Kobe is playing on the weak side and his man (Gordon Hayward)
is in the corner. Kobe is intently watching the ball on the strong side wing
while peeking at the action in the paint to see if the ball is going to be
whipped into one of the Jazz big men off their interior screen action. While
all that’s happening, Hayward cut back door. Kobe, never once looking at his
man, only reacted to the pass and fouled a mid-air Hayward who was trying to
make the catch.

在以上的影片中，科比在弱邊而他所看管的人(Hayward)在底角，科比就盯著球看

看是不是球會落到內部擋拆的長人手上，這時Hayward就從後門跑進去，而科比從頭到尾

都沒在盯他的人，只能以撈球並對在空中試著接球的Haywar犯規收尾。

At the lowest levels of organized basketball, players are asked to see the
ball and their man. Kobe loses his man at the very start of this possession
and never found him again until committing the foul.
Kobe also has a nasty habit of watching the ball and going for steals that
aren’t that likely, and compromising the rest of the defense in the process:


在最低等的球賽中，球員會被要求盯球時也要盯人，科比一開始就丟失他的人，直到犯規

才找到他在哪，科比同時也有一個盯著球看準備抄不太可能抄到的球的壞習慣，讓當次防

守失去了效果。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8HS32uXx98&feature=player_embedded

On this play Kobe is guarding DeMarre Carroll, who starts on the strong side
but then drifts to the weak side as the Jazz run a sideline P&R. Once Carroll
clears the side, Kobe again is mostly watching the ball and cheating towards
Enes Kanter who is setting up for a mid-range jumper. The ball never goes to
Kanter, however, and instead is skipped to Carroll spotting up on the wing.
Kobe tries to steal the pass, fails, and then doesn’t recover to Carroll
quick enough to deny penetration. Meeks, hoping to try and play two players,
cheats off the strong side corner (a cardinal sin in basketball) to help on
Carroll. Like Kobe, Meeks is unsuccessful in slowing Carroll but also gives
up the pass to the corner. Hayward makes the Lakers pay by hitting the wide
open three.

這球科比在防守Carroll，他一開始在強邊，後來在爵士執行了一個擋拆後跑到弱邊

當Carroll清出空間後，科比這時又在盯著球看，並往準備接球跳投的Kanter那側靠攏

但是這球卻往在右翼的Carroll手上傳去，科比試著攔截這球但失敗了，回來的太晚而

無法阻止Carroll的切入。而Meeks希望能一次防守兩個球員，也往強邊靠攏

(這在籃球可是要不得的錯誤)來幫忙防守Carroll，也因此漏了在底線的Hayward，

他也因此投進了這個空檔三分。


Kobe’s mistakes here aren’t so drastic but he made several on that single
play. Going for the steal was likely the worst offense since it put him in a
position where he couldn’t contain the penetration of his man. Scouting
tells you that Carroll isn’t a three point shooter so denying his drive is
the number one goal of defending him. Once Kobe let Carroll get by him, the
greater integrity of the defense was compromised and that was that.

科比在這邊的錯誤並不是很嚴重，但他卻做了很多個。想要抄截是最糟糕的想法，因為這

會讓他失去他可以防守切入的位置，球探報告說Carroll並不是一個三分射手，所以要守

他應該是守切入就可以了。當科比讓Carroll越過他時防守的凝聚度就被打壞了。


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IWHzE4x_sAA

On this last possession, Kobe simply plays a lazy brand of defense that hurt
the Lakers on two separate occasions:

最後這個影片科比展現了他防守端懶惰的一面，並在兩個情況下傷害了湖人。

This play starts with Kobe on the left baseline guarding Randy Foye. The Jazz
run a screen action to free Foye coming across the lane. When Ron’s man
comes to screen Kobe, you see him not want to fight through the pick and
calls out a late switch to Ron. This leads to Foye getting a wide open jumper
that Ron barely contested due to the timing of the switch. To make matters
worse, after switching onto Marvin Williams, Kobe didn’t box out and allowed
Williams to sneak underneath Howard to tip in the missed shot. Two lazy plays
on one possession for Kobe, there.

這球科比在左邊的底線防守Randy Foye，爵士跑了一個單擋的戰術讓Foye可以切入底邊

當世平的人來擋科比時，我們發現他並不想要努力繞過這個單擋，

並且很遲才叫世平換過去防守，這個轉換時間讓Foye得到了一個兩分跳投的大空檔，

當他轉換防到Marvin Williams之後，他也不努力去卡位讓Marvin Williams可以

繞過DH去做一個補籃的動作，兩個防守偷懶。

While I’m singling out Kobe here, he’s not the only one playing this way.
On one of the first plays of the game, Ron got beat on an alley oop to Marvin
Williams where he was watching the ball similar to Kobe in the first clip. I
could have put up multiple clips of Jamison losing his man on screens and
getting beat off the dribble, not only from the Jazz game but from every game
this season. If the Lakers’ defensive problems were a one man issue, that
would be simple enough. They’re not and that complicates matters a great
deal.

雖然我只拿科比出來討論，但他並不是隊上唯一這麼做的人。在一開始的幾個play裡

世平也犯了和第一個影片中科比相同的錯誤並讓Williams做了個輕鬆空中接力，我也可以

拿出很多影片來講Jamison在單檔中丟失了對手並且輕鬆被過。不只是這場，還有很多場

都是如此。如果湖人只是一個人防守出問題那還簡單，但情況不是這樣，這讓事情很複雜

What further complicates things is that Kobe is a major culprit. His off-ball
defense stands out as particularly poor this year. He’s gambling for steals,
losing sight of his man, and roaming in ways that make the team’s defense
structurally unsound. In essence, Kobe is making the easy choice way too
often rather than making the harder play that is more taxing physically.

讓事情更複雜的是科比是主要的罪魁禍首，他這季的無球防守做得相當差，

他因為賭博抄截而漏掉他自己的人，在場上夢遊而讓團隊防守受到破壞

簡單的說，科比選擇用輕鬆的方式去防守，而不是用較艱難並消耗更多體力的方式

In a way, this is easy to understand. Kobe is playing heavy minutes (44 hard
ones against the Jazz) and is carrying a tremendous burden on offense. The
energy he’s expending on that side of the ball is massive and to think that
won’t affect him in other areas would be a silly conclusion, especially for
a 17 year veteran. That said, he’s clearly coasting on defense in order to
conserve energy on offense and that simply won’t do. Not only does it hurt
the team in countless tangible ways, it sets a bad example for how the team
needs to play on that end of the floor.

這就某方面很好理解，科比上場時間很久(對爵士上了44分鐘)而且在進攻端有

很沉重的負擔，他在那邊花費太多精力，如果認為他不會被這些影響到就太蠢了

尤其是他已經是打十七年的老人了。就是說呢，他在防守端忽攸是為了儲存用來

進攻的能量，但是這樣是不行的唷。這樣不止會對球隊各種傷害，也給球隊在防守時

一個壞的示範。

Dwight Howard was brought in to help solve some of the Lakers’ defensive
woes. And, he too can be better than he has been. But he can’t make up for
everyone’s mistakes. Jamison and Duhon are turnstiles on D. Ron is getting
beat more this season than in year’s past. And Kobe, as shown, isn’t
holding up his end of the bargain. As a leader and a yearly member of the
all-defensive team, he needs to be better.

湖人隊買DH來是要解決一些防守問題，而且他是可以比之前做得更好的。但他也不能為

每個人的錯誤擦屁股，Jamison和Duhon在防守上是旋轉門，世平也不如過往般精明

而科比在這方面上更是沒做好。身為一個常常入選防守第一二隊的球隊領袖，

他必須要做得更好。

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※ lesnaree2:轉錄至看板 NBA                                        12/12 01:09
推 encorej77107:之前沒注意到..原來AJ也被稱呼 旋轉門...
※ 編輯: lesnaree2       來自: 220.136.172.209      (12/12 01:12)
噓 eternalzero:討論到爛了
噓 yinwi:你不知道KOBE不能批評嗎
→ eternalzero:三樓反串有點弱 請回酸酸總版
推 catclan:幫推　這篇明明就不錯
推 briannu:推
推 lonelysam:中肯
推 kobe760903:連敗中 板上什麼牛鬼蛇神都出現了
※ 編輯: lesnaree2       來自: 220.136.172.209      (12/12 01:27)
推 god2:防守是體質問題
推 free120:這三個Play實在是...前兩個連最基本的對位盯人都做不到
→ free120:擋拆也守不好,記著之前有個Play也是對方擋拆後被噴個三分
噓 grow:認真防守命中率四成平均17分你會滿意？
→ jimli:這三個play還真的是一針見血
→ grow:不知道KB是場上唯一可以抄截後快攻的人嗎？
→ grow:無言 什麼鳥文章
推 pursue2:嘖嘖 2樓就是不能接受老大被批評  怒噓咧xdd
推 jamesuper:pursue2不回火版去討論嗎??
推 pursue2:罵gasol時不遺餘力  看到kobe被檢討就說討論到爛了xdd
推 eternalzero:純噓ID pursue2回酸民版比較好
→ eternalzero:上面一堆文章下面推文都罵KB防守爛 酸民只會選擇無視
推 nepenthes7:這篇寫的不錯阿 囧 也說了KB攻守兩頭燒
推 pursue2:欸唷  你今天怎麼沒有來火板傳教了呢?
推 eternalzero:原來某p身兼酸酸跟中二火 嚇死了
推 pursue2:至少我不會酸自己人阿
→ eternalzero:啊 還真的是酸酸。
推 pursue2:我也不會因為版友跳槽去76人版就忘恩負義酸前版友
推 chinhan1216:KOBE已經完美詮釋怎樣用眼睛防守
→ eternalzero:看到路邊的狗亂叫我還是不要理他好了。
推 pursue2:還遠渡重洋跑來火版宣傳第一SG呢  真是偉大
推 QQBALL:老科太多賭博式防守是老問題了吧
→ eternalzero:賭博式防守偶爾還可以有抄截 但是漏人更多
推 pursue2:我只是來提醒你禮拜二教會沒休假阿  怎麼今天沒來了呢？
推 pursue2:一般賭博式防守都是年輕人在做的喔  老了沒爆發力還賭博
推 kb81:這篇比一狗票只會整天喊偷懶偷懶的要好太多了
→ pursue2:式防守的話  很可能只是他不想認真守喔xdd
→ kb81:老大的壞習慣完全被點出來,但偏偏冷笑話又不是重防守的人
推 laigei:====== pursue2 eternalzero 以水桶處理，以下請勿再 =====
推 kb81:湖人真的該找個防守教練好好要求一下球員了,他嗎的爛斃了。
推 laigei:====== 出現無關版上的言論，私人恩怨請站內信處理   =====
推 laigei:====== 謝謝合作。給我們一個好的討論環境，不是吵架 =====
推 kb81:煩死了整天在人家隊板釣魚,還好這個板有個很用心的板主
推 Xhocer:已經輸不停了...是嫌不夠悶嗎-.-
→ kb81:不然推文都不用討論了,吵架就飽了。
推 kobe1986:不是單純kobe的問題
推 ymca8:這篇很中肯阿
推 djcc:Kobe防守第一隊還需要你教   又有人想教Kobe打球了  做夢
噓 BigBai:這篇文章真無聊 找冷笑話來不就是要進攻麼!!!
推 a34567:守不住不會怪他 畢竟老了 可是連守都不守…
推 w9515:現在就是寧可他守的認真點 進攻回到開季模式 但好像不可能
推 huanbo:應該可以說我們接受kobe守不住 但不能接受他防守散漫
推 wzmildf:================k o b e 不可能有錯魂==================
推 bitegod0921:我也不覺得KB該全力拼防守，他的進攻目前真的太重要，
→ bitegod0921:也實在沒體力兩頭燒，但是他防守的懶散跟錯誤實在太多
→ bitegod0921:每場都看的很痛苦，一堆低級失誤或爛觀念快速棄守
→ bitegod0921:只能說在場上我最關注他，所以第四節也看的最難過
→ WEIKUNG:怎麼火火都喜歡xdxd..
→ rexagi1988:現在進攻不可能回到開季模式阿，他還要負擔控球耶= =
→ rexagi1988:看了好幾個影片，發現他真的都是盯著球耶XDD
→ rexagi1988:既然不若往日可以進攻防守一肩扛，他防守的模式就要
→ rexagi1988:轉變，別老想著要阿鼻地獄了，好好把人盯好卡時再啦
推 snowenvoy:Kobe還是全力拚防守吧 順便看看剩下的明星能提供多少火
→ snowenvoy:力 如果沒了老科得分就不行 那湖人本來也走不下去
→ snowenvoy:究竟我們的禁區明星們能發揮多少火力呢 科科
推 lvk0:看完這一篇和上面這一篇文章，雖然現在進攻都得靠kobe的組織
→ lvk0:，可是他這種攻守失衡的情況，對贏球有幫助嗎？今天贏了一場
→ lvk0:，沒有做好團隊防守，這樣到季後賽碰到排名前面的球隊，情況
→ lvk0:一樣不妙，好吧~等Nash回來，用進攻帶動防守。 唉~
→ Aggro:又不是沒隊友 湖人真的少他的進攻會倒嗎....
→ Aggro:不能老是用進攻來替防守當藉口阿= =
→ lvk0:懶得移動腳步防守，單防已經退化中，團隊又沒做好，這樣下去
→ lvk0:有想把冠軍搶回來的意圖，可是事實上別隊就是比湖人好~
推 Aggro:單防退化這沒辦法 但團隊防守不能亂阿
推 ckshchen:怎麼行，線索無法延續
推 iverson88:其實這季可以輕鬆看球就好，用不著戰成這樣
推 lvk0:0rz 很難輕鬆啊，明明陣容不錯，靠Mitch神奇交易和簽約，讓
→ lvk0:球隊有競爭力，只是現在球隊們戰績實在不好看！以前黑暗期就
→ lvk0:算了，現在的替補陣容也不差            再嘆氣一次好了 唉
推 snowenvoy:不管贏輸球老科的得分幾乎都最多 所以也無法證明
→ snowenvoy:除非他用以前對上雷霆單場10分命中率五成輸球的方法證明
推 kb81:陣容不錯 ? XD 又老又慢還一堆沒防守的,加上一個不防守的領袖
推 kb81:又要批又要捧,沒冠軍就沒冠軍嘛,看得那麼痛苦幹嘛
推 kb81:又不是沒拿過冠軍,這種不三不四後場又完全不設防的球隊
推 kb81:就靠裡面一隻怪獸在補防,跟一個過氣整天被批的巨星在撐票房
推 kb81:這根本就只是支看起來也許還有救的爛隊而已,是好在哪裡 ?
→ SULICon:你崩潰的也太嚴重了XD
推 bitegod0921:你們都不用睡覺嗎?好厲害
推 ebv:這篇老梗了~問題在哪有在看球的都心裡有數不忍提而已，今年看
→ ebv:起來對到前幾名的球隊都很不妙，就定位在把進攻防守隊形練熟吧
→ ebv:魔獸不想等就算了，把老大的價值用到2014後就打掉重建吧
推 Sephiroth:水桶了XDDD 要取暖了嗎
→ Sephiroth:這一篇的第二個影片反而不太是KB主要的問題
→ Sephiroth:賭博式防守而失位對KB來說不是常見的問題
→ Sephiroth:第一個影片是KB半場防守的典型站位,他防守的人多半會沉
→ Sephiroth:底,而他就站在那位子~當有人切入或外線看似要出手時
→ Sephiroth:KB就會往籃下靠近,但是並不是去補防或者卡位準備爭搶籃
→ Sephiroth:板,這時候如果球傳了出去,傳導到他對位的球員手上
→ Sephiroth:通常是一個比海還大的空擋,KB要嘛很慢的補過去,要嘛目送
→ Sephiroth:皮球入網...這才是他最大的問題!要節省體力在進攻端我
→ Sephiroth:可以理解,但是放到這種程度...KB進攻有鬼神到比對手空擋
→ Sephiroth:更具有殺傷力嗎? 他應該要先知道自己的問題後找到平衡點
推 FSGuitar:...大家都知道KOBE的問題啊XDDD 但有個雕用 他老人家
→ FSGuitar:不改就是不改
推 oldfather:中肯~~  真的該找防守教練...
推 JPDREAM:阿就進攻打爆對手就好阿 防守幹嘛?
→ lvk0:-_- 當然要防守啊，今天對騎士下半場還不錯，輸了這場還好，
→ lvk0:看到一點希望，看live文崩潰推文好累。
噓 super6602:又要人進攻又要人防守 其他隊友在幹嘛 別一直想靠老大
推 LAAngels:他守自己的區域...如果配合KB,全隊改守區域聯防呢?
→ LAAngels:有沒有大師能解說?
推 spongebob56:防守隨便就好 把力氣放在自幹得分 超越mj為目標
推 arslupin:講解的很確實，KOBE有機會看到的話也很好