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標題[情報] Cards won't fold should Albert leave
時間Thu Jan 27 23:31:46 2011
The St. Louis Cardinals ranked among Major League Baseball’s most successful franchises before Albert Pujols arrived. And the Cardinals will remain prosperous long after the Pujols Era finally ends, however it ends. Baseball is bigger than one player around here. It always has been, it always will be – despite perceptions outside the market. “Albert is the brand of the Cardinals,” one unnamed agent told ESPN.com recently. “Period. [Bill] DeWitt should have sold the team if he didn't think they could sign Albert Pujols.” Why would DeWitt sell the team? It is profitable and competitive now. It would remain profitable and competitive with Albert, should the two sides strike a mammoth new deal allowing him to retire here. And DeWitt knows the Cards would remain profitable and competitive should Albert depart as a free agent after this season. The team was drawing 3 million fans a year before Pujols arrived. The team will continue drawing 3 million fans a year, with or without Albert, as long as it remains reasonably competitive. No. 5’s exit would anger the fan base, for sure, but the citizens of Cardinal Nation wouldn't abandon Our National Pastime en masse to protest his departure. This is the team’s leverage. Albert’s leverage is his standing as the best offensive player of his generation and the eagerness of other teams to get him. Thus the impasse continues, as Joe Strauss wrote in his excellent analysis of the situation. Fans are understandably fretful. They fear the worst. They worry that DeWitt will be cheap or that Albert will be greedy. But remember how this franchise has weathered storms over the years. Iconic manager Whitey Herzog threw up his hands in frustration and quit in 1990 as his team staggered toward a last-place finish. Hindered by budgetary constraints and poor management, the team missed the playoffs the next five seasons. Yet the fan base remained eerily strong in the face of relentless mediocrity, never drawing fewer than 2.4 million fans for a full season. The Cards survived the great 1994-95 labor dispute, too. Some fans never returned after play resumed, but most eventually did. Since 1996, the average Cards attendance has never dipped below 32,000 fans per game. The franchise survived the unhappy end of the Ozzie Smith Era, which saw the beloved Hall of Fame-bound shortstop relegated to a secondary role before retiring. The bitter Wizard waged a one-man PR campaign against manager Tony La Russa from that point on. Fans shrugged and kept attending games. Media types became outraged when La Russa hired steroid cheat Mark McGwire as his hitting coach. How could the team bring back the man who embarrassed the franchise and the city with his admitted use of performance-enhancing drugs? Fans shrugged and kept attending games. Now the Pujols Contract is front and center in the debate. The Cards stand to lose season-ticket holders and perhaps some corporate support if he departs. Fans would be especially upset if they believed DeWitt and Co. insulted Albert with low-ball offers. But baseball would still be baseball and the Cardinals would still be the Cardinals. The franchise has locked in other star players, like former batting champ Matt Holliday, former Cy Young Award winner Chris Carpenter and former World Series hero Adam Wainwright. Given their durable fan support, the Cards would be able to redistribute the money Albert rejects to other high-end players. Life would go on. St. Louis isn’t Cleveland. The Cardinals aren’t the Cavaliers. And Albert Pujols isn’t LeBron James. 全文大意在於: 小普在紅鳥的時代將要結束了,某位經紀人提到假使沒辦法續簽的話不如把球隊賣了 球迷怕老闆太小氣或是小普獅子大開口而導致談判破裂 但即使雙方各分東西,球還是要看的,而不會因為看板的離開就不看球了 紅鳥也不會像某隊一樣因為看板走了就倒地不起 最後作者還小小的婊了騎士跟LBJ....XD 有誤請指正,thx http://tinyurl.com/4tw5aq6 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.121.24.115
推 ck3300511:借轉紅鳥 01/27 23:35
※ ck3300511:轉錄至看板 Cardinals 01/27 23:35
→ oralboralb:還蠻希望Pujols穿費城球衣，可惜有霍華德了 01/27 23:36
推 x24627785:WTH 01/27 23:37
推 accprote:Decision 01/27 23:41
推 Nagasumi:Pujols:我如果也開個Decision特別節目收視率不知道多少 01/27 23:43
推 Connec:三樓......費城人要開始收集公仔了嗎XD 01/27 23:43
推 CGary:紅襪跟洋基都是在評估Pujols不會進FA的前提下分別補進了Tex 01/27 23:54
→ CGary:跟A-Gon, 雖然A-Gon還沒簽長約, 但是有A-Gon明年FA等於紅襪 01/27 23:54
推 highmimi:看來剩梅子跟白年有財力了 ... 01/27 23:54
→ highmimi:更正 百年 01/27 23:55
→ CGary:有退路 又少了洋基拉抬 要簽出這種價碼跟長度 難度非常高... 01/27 23:55
→ CGary:期待遊騎兵再度來攪局吧 XD 01/27 23:55
→ searoar:CGary第一行說的有連結嗎 01/27 23:58
推 CGary:沒有連結 那只不過算是推估 那是Tex簽約時候的氛圍 大家評估 01/27 23:59
→ CGary:都是講Tex vs A-Gon 而 Pujols 會是終身紅雀人... 01/27 23:59
推 kobegod:真希望躲人有這財力...我要看loney這小水槍多久阿 = = 01/27 23:59
→ CGary:不然也很難會出現這種十年約綁死1B的狀況... 01/27 23:59
→ CGary:而A-Gon 很明顯 因為教士根本沒錢留他... 01/28 00:00
→ searoar:鐵爺簽約的時間和普吼獅進FA的時間差很遠耶 01/28 00:01
→ CGary:如果Pujols有任何風吹草動可能會進FA, 你不會讓你自己陷入 01/28 00:01
→ CGary:沒有機會簽下歷史上數一數二1B的機會的 尤其是像NYY這等級的 01/28 00:02
→ CGary:球隊 不過那時Pujols話是說得蠻死的...XD 01/28 00:02
→ CGary:而A-Gon也一樣 如果Pujols會進FA, Redsox是否會冒險清農場 01/28 00:03
→ stonemonkey:洋基的The boss如果要硬來的話,可能性是有,只是不大 01/28 00:03
→ searoar:就是nyy這種等級的球隊才不太會空著大棒的位子等四年吧 01/28 00:03
→ CGary:換次一等的選擇就很有疑問了 雖然A-Gon也是非常優秀的選擇 01/28 00:03
→ stonemonkey:但如果肯放權給Cashman,那8成不會做這傻事就是了 01/28 00:04
→ CGary:大棒子願意簽四年的多得是 NYY選擇不是只有Tex的 但是Tex是 01/28 00:04
→ CGary:十年二十年一遇的選手 沒有Pujols這選項 Tex 就肯定是最好的 01/28 00:05
→ CGary:NYY 一定是這樣考慮才合理... 01/28 00:05
→ oralboralb:Teixeira是十年二十年一遇...有這麼誇張喔... 01/28 00:07
→ stonemonkey:以今年Hal硬簽Sori的情況看來,年底如果Pujols進FA的話 01/28 00:09
→ CGary:如果只講棒子 他倒還好 如果有這等級還有手套 目前聯盟也只 01/28 00:09
→ stonemonkey:說完全不可能出手倒也不見得 01/28 00:09
→ CGary:有A-Gon可以配跟他爭而已 而Pujols是外星人 別理他XD 01/28 00:10
→ oralboralb:所以既然有人可以爭 那算個五年一遇我覺得比較恰當 01/28 00:11
推 sarserror:Teix也還好吧= =...比他優秀的一壘手現在也有幾個阿 01/28 00:11
→ oralboralb:要論巔峰的棒子 十年內孩排不上前三吧 01/28 00:12
→ searoar:洋基簽下來就拿冠軍耶 真的有為了等普吼獅的必要嗎 01/28 00:13
推 maikxz:Cashman如果真的今年被逼出走話 The boss今年那種行徑... 01/28 00:14
→ oralboralb:光 Cabrera Fielder Berkman 顛峰棒子都贏他 01/28 00:14
→ maikxz:砸錢下去也沒啥好意外 01/28 00:15
推 sarserror:Pujols不用說 Fielder、A-Gon、Votto、Cabrera也都未必 01/28 00:18
→ sarserror:會輸Teix.. 01/28 00:18
推 Rodriguez:來勇士吧XD 01/28 00:19
推 Pujols5:如果小普也來個the Decision 我也跟進燒球衣 01/28 00:20
推 sarserror:阿...少算了Howard跟Morneau 01/28 00:21
推 CGary:Votto已經是下一世代的人了 等他進FA Teix都要退休了 小王子 01/28 00:21
推 waitla:樓上 你不能用現在的成績看當時的約 01/28 00:22
→ CGary:守備實在是普通 雖然一壘不是甚麼防守位置 不過這年頭很在乎 01/28 00:22
→ waitla:指sar 01/28 00:22
→ OoyaoO:沒這麼快啦XD Votto最快3年後FA Teix這張約都還沒跑完 01/28 00:23
→ CGary:這種東西 卡布倒是可以一談 現在來看Teix的約紐約應該是會虧 01/28 00:23
→ CGary:但是那時鐵爺的確是十年一選的人 也沒有人想到 2010 鐵爺的 01/28 00:24
推 sarserror:我哪裡用現在的成績看當時的約了 單純看成績而已阿.. 01/28 00:24
推 purusire:明明人家是說Tex是有守備加棒子 怎麼後面推文都只提棒子 01/28 00:24
→ CGary:WAR 會這麼不好看的, 08年要簽的時候 大家都認為他會是一個 01/28 00:24
→ CGary:WAR要衝上8的人...所以也講了純講棒子他沒啥 但在這等級還能 01/28 00:25
→ CGary:守備 讓他看起來會很不一樣... 01/28 00:25
推 ILER:08年的鐵爺的確如CGary說的強...但是世事難預料啊....... 01/28 00:26
→ oralboralb:有棒子的一壘手中守備最好的請問是Pujols吧？ 01/28 00:26
推 Tulowitzki2:Pujols五十年出一個都嫌多 01/28 00:27
→ CGary:是, 所以Pujols要進 FA, 沒有人應該不留下空間的XD 這也是為 01/28 00:27
→ ILER:NYY現在好多人要輪DH= =a 到底是要丟在原本守備位子等退休 01/28 00:27
推 waitla:沒有嗎? 那08年簽的時候 Votto贏Teixeira? 小卡布第一年轉 01/28 00:27
→ CGary:甚麼08年的時候 大家就在探Pujols是否有可能要進FA... 01/28 00:27
→ ILER:把Pujols簽下來 還是要放他進FA呢......? 01/28 00:28
推 sarserror:我只是絕得說十年出一個有點誇張 光現役論综合表現 01/28 00:28
→ waitla:1B 成績有超過Teixeira? 01/28 00:28
→ sarserror:也有一些人比他優秀阿 01/28 00:29
→ CGary:我想sarserror有點誤會我那句話了 那句話的時間點是08年 因 01/28 00:30
推 gonzalez0528:可憐的鐵爺 被看得好扁 = = 01/28 00:30
→ ILER:當初的守備跟棒子的確是這樣沒錯啊.... 01/28 00:30
→ CGary:為08年是簽約的時間 而NYY沒水晶球嘛～ XD 01/28 00:30
→ waitla:在他簽約的時間點 他生涯 war(BR)穩贏他的只有Pujols 另外 01/28 00:30
→ ILER:08年的鐵爺你真的會認為他到了洋基會把那些射在牆上的2B 01/28 00:31
推 a1868859:CGary大是就當時08年要簽約的那個點 不是就現在來看吧= = 01/28 00:31
→ CGary:現在看來 鐵爺可能沒辦法出眾到這種地步 不過還算是一流水準 01/28 00:31
→ waitla:有兩個稍微贏Teixeira不到2 01/28 00:31
→ ILER:通通變成HR 而09年的時候他也做到了部分 不過10年的時候= = 01/28 00:31
推 OoyaoO:08年那個時間點Teixeira是大聯盟第二的1B 當時Boras還開到 01/28 00:32
→ OoyaoO:200M/8Y 01/28 00:32
→ ILER:就莫再提了= = 01/28 00:32
推 sarserror:恩...是我誤會 我是指現在這個時間點 01/28 00:32
→ ILER:忘記國民是多有誠意的喊到多高= =? 而且還是從頭喊到尾最高 01/28 00:33
→ CGary:所以現在對NYY其實有點麻煩, NYY沒有守備光譜末端的位置可以 01/28 00:33
→ CGary:清出來了 但Pujols真的進FA, 不出手感覺一點也不像NYY... 01/28 00:34
→ ILER:就把那些準備輪DH的人通通丟在原位 讓TEX/Pujols去輪1B/DH 01/28 00:34
→ ILER:一開始看見這篇文章的時候 我真的覺得NYY會這麼做......... 01/28 00:35
→ OoyaoO:Teix也不會像去年一樣 去年的babip過低了 01/28 00:36
推 Westmoreland:Teixeira有回三壘的可能嗎 01/28 00:37
推 ILER:進FA的話不搶真的就怪了...問一下紅襪明年還有DH專屬的人嗎? 01/28 00:37
→ OoyaoO:不會有人花30M+去買個DH或是把一個20M+還可以守的放DH的 01/28 00:38
→ CGary:所以明年各家對Teix的預估都是WAR回5左右 但是5還是太低了 01/28 00:38
→ CGary:以Teix的被期待來說 我想NYY期待他是一個顛峰期可以7的選手 01/28 00:39
→ sarserror:Teix回三壘 那A-Rod打DH嗎 01/28 00:39
推 ILER:老爹的約到明年 然後.....我等著看戲= = 01/28 00:40
推 yayagogo:A-ROD回游擊 丁特去外野XD 01/28 00:40
推 searoar:感覺鐵爺快跑不動了 01/28 00:40
→ CGary:我猜NYY一定得出手 因為紅襪會出手的機率並不低 不搶的話在 01/28 00:40
→ OoyaoO:ARod為什麼要在明年去DH 他還可以守 01/28 00:40
→ CGary:美東接下來的幾年鐵定被打好玩 01/28 00:40
→ ILER:總覺得一切很難說.....畢竟他是NYY..... 01/28 00:41
→ CGary:如果紅襪可以逼到NYY得出手 30M 就不是沒希望了 XD 01/28 00:41
推 maikxz:他近任何一隊 誰是要讓出1B這位置 我想蠢蛋都回答得出來 01/28 00:42
推 searoar:鐵爺簡寫不是Tex嗎 01/28 00:42
→ CGary:但是紅襪跟NYY這幾年薪資都卡得蠻緊的 Theo願不願意這樣灑錢 01/28 00:42
→ CGary:也是重點...看起來Theo並不喜歡用這種超高價位簽FA... 01/28 00:43
→ stonemonkey:看鐵爺今年的表現吧..如果今年打的跟10年一樣的話... 01/28 00:43
→ stonemonkey:出手機率超高 01/28 00:43
→ maikxz:NYY看Cashman會不會真的被迫出走 真的讓他出走... 01/28 00:43
推 yayagogo:如果普神回外野這樣有搞頭嗎XDDD 01/28 00:43
推 ILER:情況大概會跟08年搶鐵爺很類似 01/28 00:43
→ maikxz:Hal的腦袋............................ 01/28 00:43
推 Westmoreland:A-Rod所有的防守數據只有球迷評價那項是正的 XD 01/28 00:44
推 Tulowitzki2:不要再叫Pujols轉守位了 01/28 00:46
推 CGary:Pujols這等級的選手 通常都是把別人踢離守位的 所以當年ARod 01/28 00:47
→ Tulowitzki2:他有傷，而且在一壘守得好好又最大咖 01/28 00:47
→ CGary:被踢離守位才會吵成這樣阿...:p 01/28 00:47
→ Tulowitzki2:而且Jeter游擊守的沒有A-Rod好 01/28 00:48
推 ILER:現在鐵爺在球迷心中的位置 並沒有當初Jeter那樣崇高= = 01/28 00:49
推 sarserror:不只是沒有 應該說差多了= =... 01/28 00:53
→ SlamKai:=.= 差很多 01/28 00:54
→ sarserror:應該說放眼MLB 也沒有其他球員的地位有Jeter之於NYY高 01/28 00:54
→ szza2000: 薪 01/28 00:59
推 KOSHON: 交友廣 01/28 01:07
推 frakx:Arod現在雖不頂尖 但在3B應該還是有平均左右 01/28 01:30
推 frakx:守備方面 01/28 01:32
推 jardon:我覺得A-Gon紅襪會想辦法留住 不然這次的交易簡直打臉 01/28 02:56
→ jardon:Theo沒那麼蠢 多等一年頂級1B有2-3隻會進FA 沒必要丟作物 01/28 03:00
噓 rex9999:我完全無法想像Albert Pujols離開St. Louis Cardinals。 01/28 03:25
推 htcheng:看NYY有沒有機會把鐵爺交易給其他隊 然後搶Pujols 01/28 03:33
推 CGary:Teix 如果 NYY 要在這個時間點賣出 可能要吃下一些薪資才行 01/28 03:37
→ CGary:更何況市場上有普猴 也可能有A-Gon... 01/28 03:38
推 CGary:A-Gon的狀況是如果他們簽得下普猴 也不會打臉 此一時彼一時 01/28 03:48
→ CGary:那時候沒人知道普猴可能會進FA,Theo當然得想點辦法... 01/28 03:49
→ CGary:現在看來雙方都不是很急著一定要簽下來 可能是在觀望普猴... 01/28 03:49
→ OoyaoO:當沒續約 Pujols又沒FA的時候就打臉了 花了自己這麼多農場 01/28 07:56
→ OoyaoO:換來比別人一年談約的機會 沒可能去等一個不知道會不會進 01/28 07:57
→ OoyaoO:FA的火星人吧 01/28 07:57
推 unc25:Sabean問：Pujols有33了嗎？ 01/28 10:21
推 OoyaoO:還沒 如果是10年約的話 買的是Pujols的32～41歲 01/28 10:32
推 honey4617912:Sabean:好,等Pujols 33歲拿盲腸波西Cain來交易 01/28 11:31
推 OoyaoO:雖然我也不信就算NYY有Teix Pujols進FA場他會不衝 01/28 12:19
→ shancko:說期待Teix的WAR要衝上8 我也只能點點點了...... 01/28 14:52
推 meier0112:老闆做主 cashman 閃邊 ,NYY就可能衝了 01/28 14:59