Re: [外電] Ryan Braun Wins Appeal; No Suspension

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※ 引述《Tukiyomi (月讀)》之銘言：
: https://twitter.com/#!/Haudricourt/status/172804608597557249
: Ryan Braun has won his appeal of a drug suspension and will not be suspended
: for 50 games.
:     逆轉勝，陪審團投票以2：1翻盤
: https://twitter.com/#!/BillHall_III/status/172810361983086594
: #FREERYANBRAUN #FREERYANBRAUN #FREERYANBRAUN!!!!!! Congrats to Ryan for
: winning the appeal.... HE'S INNOCENT HE'S INNOCENT!!!!
:     Bill Hall也太high了吧

照目前新聞的資料看來

似乎出問題的地方是收集員沒立即把樣本交給快遞

而是把樣本先放在自家冰箱兩天後送出

這部分是Braun攻擊程序有問題的勝出點

http://tinyurl.com/6v2b8ld

According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample,
was supposed to take the sample to a FedEx Office for shipping.

But the source said the collector thought the FedEx Office was closed because
it was late on a Saturday and felt the sample wouldn't get shipped until
Monday.

As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home
and kept it in a cool place, in his basement at his residence in Wisconsin,
according to the source.

Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as
possible.


不過關鍵票 - 仲裁員Shyam Das是不是做出正確判斷

其實是有可議之處的

根據USADA的說法

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172833433955995648

USADA CEO Travis Tygart tells Y! Sports of the Braun decision: "It's frankly
unreal. And it's a kick in the gut to clean athletes."

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172833625388228608

Tygart: "Clean athletes have been underserved. All the athletes that don't
have positive tests, that abide by the rules, this is insulting."

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172836609962676226

USADA CEO Travis Tygart says it's commonplace for collectors to keep samples
refrigerated when taken late at night and on holidays, weekends

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172836795720007680

Tygart: "This stuff happens around the world all the time. They're collected
at people's homes after the UPS or FedEx or DHL is closed."

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffPassan/status/172836851214856193

Tygart: "The DCO (doping control officer) keeps it with them. These are
well-trained people whose job it is to maintain it. I'm stunned."


似乎在周末時收集員把樣本放在自家冰箱中是一般常見且正確的作法

這個判決照一般USADA或是WADA的標準來看是頗有問題的


不過，既然已經決定不禁賽了

那就恭喜Braun吧

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推 Marsch:我覺得Braun今年會壓力很大,萬一陷入低潮很容易被貼標籤...
推 EricByrnes:跟禁藥扯上關係，怎麼打都會壓力大的
→ blackdevil:用程序問題來解套本來就會讓自己有個疑雲
推 HXZ:有專業的可以解說一下 多冰兩天真的會影響檢驗結果嗎
推 pathfinder:律師:冰起來不馬上送，我哪知有沒有被銃康(這樣?
→ PlayStation3:真是厲害阿..
推 ps20012001:推一下會壓力大...只能說 期望他能"持續"發揮實力吧...
→ gentleman888:要不要請林杰樑來說看看多冰兩天是否影響結果
→ msn12345679:怎麼會把尿尿放在自己家冰箱冰兩天...
→ JOHNJJ:沒第一時間送檢誰知道會不會被加料之類的
推 mcshang:程序問題!!! 哇~~不知會不會拿來跟oj simpson做比較
推 jerriver3:說真的，程序如果是這樣要銃康他超容易的阿...希望是真
→ jerriver3:的沒吃藥純粹誤會就是了
推 JOHNJJ:如果真的被加料查不出來嗎 感覺沒有真相大白 ><"
推 FireLake:要銃康的方法很多，沒必要故意帶回家冰起來再銃康。檢驗
→ FireLake:人員把檢體帶回家冰是被允許的，但前提是要在FedEx已經下
→ FireLake:班，沒辦法當天把檢體寄出。整件事的關鍵在於檢驗人員在
→ FireLake:收集Braun的檢體後，時間已經很晚，以為FedEx已經下班休
→ FireLake:息，所以帶回家冰起來。結果算是Braun的律師厲害，抓到
→ FireLake:FedEx關門時間要再晚一點，就變成不符合程序，沒有照規定
→ FireLake:在FedEx開門收件的情況下立刻寄出檢體
推 peadon:勝訴但是沒得到清白 單純律師利害
推 AhUtopian:美國的律師真的很會這樣子的打法
推 k33536:青木表示:
推 xyzzz:還是有個 * 啊
推 ultratimes:奇怪，另外再把人抓來驗一次，用新的檢體不就好了
→ PlayStation3:他有驗第二次阿。
推 dp44:其實都是這樣打訴訟的啊 程序上可以解決 當然就是先打程序
推 redzero:今年沒吃藥不知道會打怎樣喔
→ GigiBuffon:主打程序正義勝訴很常見阿...之前湯普森也是打程序阿..
推 EVA96:所以她到底有妹有吃藥
推 adu:人難免會失誤  abc大別在意阿XD
推 lwei781:Braun took -- and passed -- a second test.
→ lwei781:so the suspension have to rest on the first sample
推 tomho1202:其實這樣不代表他在禁藥方面沒疑慮，只是免除禁賽
推 ckbaboon:之前都這樣的程序做 只能說律師太厲害 有沒有吃藥?嘿嘿
推 kee32:幸普森戰術成功
推 sslk:真的只是不用禁賽 但可以確定的是他藥檢依舊不合格...
→ sslk:除非真的是檢驗員陷害他 否則他就是有吃禁藥阿
→ sslk:大聯盟當然不爽 這根本只是在抓漏洞 而不是證明自己的清白
→ PlayStation3:藥撿的檢驗結果很難翻盤..
噓 nolander:程序問題也是問題 正規途徑得到的結果哪裡*了
→ nolander:推文的為何不能面對事實?
→ nolander:更何況驗第二次沒有問題 根本沒可能真正證明清白
→ nolander:球員一次沒過就貼標籤得這些人 到底在裝什麼聖人?
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推 jayin07:鄉民的標準一直是白海豚啊
推 kspete:沒照程序來本來就不對 這有甚麼好說嘴的
推 ckbaboon:Braun有驗第二次結果是negative嗎???
→ ckbaboon:然後程序有問題確實本來就是問題啦 這也是真的XD
推 bearlex:不知道兩次藥檢多久？真的吃藥有可能第二次驗不出來嗎？
推 VOY:先程序後實體 程序有瑕疵 自然就不用進入實體審查(有無用藥)
→ VOY:當然也就無法排除真的有(或沒有)用藥的可能
推 reyes2222:剛聽espn，今天這個話題被提到多次，Lin退居第二
推 gn00152097:想知道當年A-ROD那些人驗了幾次沒過??
→ jayin07:自從藥檢以來所謂的A-Rod那些人可是沒被禁賽過耶
推 lwei781:Braun 那後面被驗很多次了吧 都沒被爆positive
→ lwei781:immediate 的補驗的是說在正常範圍