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標題Re: [討論]還給Cano跟Melky Cabrera一個公道
時間Wed Jun 19 12:09:47 2013
Active Leaders & Records for WAR Position Players
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR Bats
1. Alex Rodriguez (19, 37) 115.5 R
2. Albert Pujols (13, 33) 92.8 R
3. Derek Jeter (18, 39) 72.3 R
Manny Ramirez (19) 69.1 R
4. Adrian Beltre (16, 34) 67.1 R
5. Carlos Beltran (16, 36) 66.4 B
6. Todd Helton (17, 39) 61.2 L
7. Ichiro Suzuki (13, 39) 57.9 L
8. Chase Utley (11, 34) 56.2 L
9. Lance Berkman (15, 37) 52.4 B
10. Jason Giambi (19, 42) 51.7 L
11. Miguel Cabrera (11, 30) 51.3 R
12. Torii Hunter (17, 37) 48.4 R
13. Mark Teixeira (11, 33) 47.6 B
14. Miguel Tejada (16, 39) 46.6 R
15. David Wright (10, 30) 44.5 R
16. Jimmy Rollins (14, 34) 42.4 B
17. Joe Mauer (10, 30) 41.9 L
18. David Ortiz (17, 37) 41.3 L
19. Placido Polanco (16, 37)40.6 R
20. Robinson Cano (9, 30) 40.2 L
21. Rafael Furcal (13, 35) 39.3 B
22. Matt Holliday (10, 33) 38.0 R
23. Eric Chavez (16, 35) 37.5 L
24. Carl Crawford (12, 31) 37.2 L
25. Ryan Braun (7, 29) 35.2 R
26. Dustin Pedroia (8, 29) 35.0 R
27. Curtis Granderson(10, 32) 34.2 L
28. Evan Longoria (6, 27) 33.1 R
29. Kevin Youkilis (10, 34) 32.6 R
30. Ian Kinsler (8, 31) 32.0 R
31. Ryan Zimmerman (9, 28) 31.5 R
32. Jose Reyes (11, 30) 31.3 B
33. Adrian Gonzalez (10, 31) 31.2 L
34. Mark Ellis (11, 36) 31.1 R
35. Joey Votto (7, 29) 30.9 L
36. Troy Tulowitzki (8, 28) 30.6 R
37. Aramis Ramirez (16, 35) 30.1 R
38. Vernon Wells (15, 34) 29.6 R
39. Paul Konerko (17, 37) 28.9 R
40. Ben Zobrist (8, 32) 28.7 B
41. Brian Roberts (13, 35) 28.4 B
42. Alex Rios (10, 32) 28.0 R
43. Hanley Ramirez (9, 29) 27.1 R
44. Coco Crisp (12, 33) 26.7 B
45. Alfonso Soriano (15, 37) 26.6 R
46. Victor Martinez (11, 34) 26.2 B
Carlos Pena (13, 35) 26.2 L
48. Shane Victorino (10, 32) 26.0 B
49. Travis Hafner (12, 36) 25.5 L
50. Michael Young (14, 36) 24.9 R
51. Josh Hamilton (7, 32) 24.6 L
Nick Markakis (8, 29) 24.6 L
53. Jason Bay (11, 34) 24.3 R
54. Jhonny Peralta (11, 31) 24.1 R
55. Aaron Hill (9, 31) 24.0 R
Yadier Molina (10, 30) 24.0 R
Brandon Phillips (12, 32) 24.0 R
58. Prince Fielder (9, 29) 23.4 L
59. A.J. Pierzynski (16, 36) 23.3 L
60. Shin-Soo Choo (9, 30) 23.1 L
61. Russell Martin (8, 30) 22.9 R
62. Mark Kotsay (17, 37) 22.6 L
63. Justin Morneau (11, 32) 22.4 L
Jayson Werth (11, 34) 22.4 R
65. David DeJesus (11, 33) 22.3 L
Marco Scutaro (12, 37) 22.3 R
67. Brian McCann (9, 29) 22.2 L
Hunter Pence (7, 30) 22.2 R
69. Andrew McCutchen (5,
26) 22.1 R
70. J.J. Hardy (9, 30) 22.0 R
71. Nick Swisher (10, 32) 21.9 B
72. Ramon Hernandez (15, 37) 21.8 R
73. Howie Kendrick (8, 29) 21.4 R
74. Jose Bautista (10, 32) 21.3 R
75. Michael Bourn (8, 30) 21.1 L
76. Yunel Escobar (7, 30) 20.9 R
77. Raul Ibanez (18, 41) 20.5 L
78. Alex Gordon (7, 29) 20.4 L
79. Dan Uggla (8, 33) 20.1 R
80. Mike Napoli (8, 31) 19.4 R
81. Matt Kemp (8, 28) 19.3 R
82. Asdrubal Cabrera (7, 27) 19.2 B
83. Brandon Inge (13, 36) 19.0 R
84. Ryan Howard (10, 33) 18.8 L
85. Carlos Gonzalez (6, 27) 18.6 L
86. Brett Gardner (6, 29) 17.8 L
87. Juan Pierre (14, 35) 17.7 L
88. Josh Willingham (10, 34) 17.6 R
89. Denard Span (6, 29) 17.4 L
90. Jamey Carroll (12, 39) 17.3 R
Adam Jones (8, 27) 17.3 R
92. Marlon Byrd (12, 35) 17.2 R
Jacoby Ellsbury (7, 29) 17.2 L
94. Lyle Overbay (13, 36) 17.0 L
95. Andre Ethier (8, 31) 16.9 L
Omar Infante (12, 31) 16.9 R
97. Alexei Ramirez (6, 31) 16.7 R
98. Austin Jackson (4,
26) 16.5 R
Kelly Johnson (8, 31) 16.5 L
100. Carlos Ruiz (8, 34) 16.1 R
Melky Cabrera (8, 28) 15.0
Chien-Ming Wang(8, 33) 13.7
Hung-Chih Kuo(7, 31) 4.7
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照這樣看Cano應該是有很大的機會進HOF，純好奇是當初為啥會被說suck，
單季最爛OPS還有0.715
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◆ From: 49.159.60.115
推 maxspeed150:Cano最爛明明是08 06/19 12:18
→ maxspeed150:當年他就是個身體素質沒問題可是技術問題一堆的非頂尖 06/19 12:18
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※ 編輯: poplc 來自: 49.159.60.115 (06/19 12:19)
→ maxspeed150:新秀 結果後來技術長出來後就變無敵 06/19 12:19
推 JakeMcGee:Evan Longoria打6年也才27阿 06/19 12:21
推 duncan6502:你要對一個 球來就打的人有多高評價....? 06/19 12:24
→ duncan6502:防守也是問題 06/19 12:24
推 abc12812:他的問題是被拿來跟Rogers Hornsby相提並論吧 06/19 12:26
推 duncan6502:樓上說的也是原因之一 06/19 12:34
→ evic1224:這名單真的是每個都認識耶 06/19 12:35
推 alex710707:樓上都認識的話可以幫我要個簽名球嗎? 06/19 12:38
推 echomica:當初嫌他選球不佳愛亂揮 他就長出選球眼 嫌他防守不好 結 06/19 12:39
→ echomica:果現在也拿了兩個GG 最後變得沒什麼好嫌的了 06/19 12:39
→ x147159357:咦樓上的話讓我想起某位球員.... 06/19 12:42
推 noahlin:Cano沒有出太大問題一定會進的啊.. 06/19 12:54
推 nickyang:他那個不叫選球眼，叫做沒球打-_- 06/19 12:58
→ nickyang:他現在只能說機會很高，還不到一定，你看二壘手的生涯曲 06/19 12:59
→ nickyang:線，30初是個大關卡，Utley跟Biggio都落差很大 06/19 12:59
→ nickyang:Utley 29之前儼然是史上最強二壘手，之後大概沒機會了 06/19 13:01
→ nickyang:越是需要活動力的位置生涯越難長，像Jeter大概也是30+才 06/19 13:02
→ nickyang:能斷定他穩進 06/19 13:02
→ maikxz:30歲似乎是普遍上認為運動員體能開始下滑的年紀? 06/19 13:04
推 alex710707:應該還沒那麼快 32歲左右應該算分水嶺 06/19 13:06
→ alex710707:沒看過這方面的統計 不過大多數應該是32左右沒錯 06/19 13:07
推 Shauter:看位子吧 06/19 13:13
→ Shauter:不過棒球已經算是可以打比較久的運動了 06/19 13:14
→ Connec:老磨牙表示:那只是統計數據 06/19 13:16
推 ccl007:打者會受到動態視力下滑等影響 06/19 13:49
推 maxspeed150:其實Cano還是很會揮壞球啊 06/19 17:26
→ poplc:從菜鳥後每年成績也離suck的程度還很遠 為啥會被suck呢 06/19 19:08
推 aftermathx:因為CCLu認為 沒守備+不選球=suck 06/19 20:54
→ uranusjr:其實 CCLu 講那話應該是氣話比較多啦, 人家是 die-hard 06/19 22:17
→ uranusjr:Yankee, 好不容易滾了 Soriano 下一個卻還是不成材當然會 06/19 22:18
→ uranusjr:情緒化, 有點愛之深責之切的感覺 06/19 22:19