Re: [討論] Pineda被趕出場

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一樣是官網的新聞

這篇看上去不少東西科科

挑有料的地方翻

沒什麼的段落就簡單帶過



BOSTON -- The Yankees expect that Michael Pineda will have to serve a
suspension after the right-hander was ejected from Wednesday's start against
the Red Sox at Fenway Park for pitching with pine tar smeared on the right
side of his neck.

Pineda將因他在脖子上抹松焦油被禁賽。

Official Rule 8.02 states: "The pitcher shall not apply a foreign substance
of any kind to the ball." Pineda admitted that he applied pine tar to himself
before the second inning, saying that he was having trouble gripping the ball
on a cold evening and did not want to hit any batters.
"I know I made a mistake," Pineda said. "I feel so sad today. It was a really
cold night and in the first inning I [didn't] have a really good grip on the
ball."

正式規則8.02：投手不得在球上塗抹任何的外加物質。
Pineda承認他在第二局之前在身上塗了松焦油，表示他在寒冷的當
晚無法好好地握住球，而他不想丟到任何打者。

「我知道我錯了，我很難過。今晚真的很冷，而且第一局的時候我就握
不太住球。」

Pineda also appeared to have pine tar on his palm during an April 10 start
against the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium, but Boston didn't complain that night
because the substance disappeared the inning after Red Sox manager John
Farrell was made aware of it.

他在4/10對紅襪的比賽中似乎也有在手掌抹松焦油，但襪襪來不及抗議
，那物質在總教練Farrell注意到後的下局就消失了。

This time, Farrell spotted the smudge on Pineda's neck quite clearly and
brought the issue to the attention of home-plate umpire and crew chief Gerry
Davis, interrupting a 1-2 count on Grady Sizemore with two outs in the second
inning.

這次，Farrell頗清楚地注意到Pineda脖子上的汙痕並上前告知主審，裁
判小組組長Gerry Davis在此時暫停比賽。(二局，兩出局，Grady
Sizemore，兩好一壞。)

"I could see it from the dugout," Farrell said. "It was confirmed by a number
of camera angles in the ballpark. And given the last time we faced him, I
felt like it was a necessity to say something."

「我從休息室看都看得到，」Farrell表示，「球場裡很多不同角度的
攝影機也確認了這回事。而基於我們上次面對他的狀況，我覺得這次是
有必要說些什麼。

Davis went to the mound, first looking at Pineda's glove and his pitching
hand. Davis instructed Pineda to turn around, then pointed and touched the
spot on Pineda's neck before ejecting him from the game.

"John Farrell mentioned that he felt he had a foreign substance on his
person, and [we] went out to check him and he did," Davis said.

裁判上丘檢查，在投手脖子上摸到松焦油，然後趕他出場。
Davis:「Farrell說他覺得有，我們去檢查，發現真的有。」

Manager Joe Girardi and pitching coach Larry Rothschild had multiple
discussions with Pineda after the April 10 outing, trying to make Pineda
aware that pine tar use is illegal and that he would be risking discipline
from the league by continuing to do so.

基基的吉總跟投教Larry Rothschild，在4/10出場後與Pineda談過很多
次，試圖讓他對「使用松焦油是違規的」與「他繼續這樣下去是冒著被
聯盟處罰的風險」這兩件事有所警覺。

（譯註：.......難道就不能直接阻止他嗎= =）

"We certainly are responsible," general manager Brian Cashman said. "There's
certainly failure on our part as an organization as a whole that he took the
field in the second inning with that on his neck. He's responsible for his
actions, but we failed as an organization for somehow him being in that
position."

現金人表示：「我們當然有責任。做為一個團隊整體我們確實有錯。他
要為自己的行為負責，但我們做為一個組織，讓他站上那個位置是我們
的錯。」

Girardi said that Pineda's decision to apply the pine tar was unknown to the
team, and that he used "poor judgment" on Wednesday. Rothschild said that
Pineda might have believed that on a windy, 50-degree night, the ends would
have justified the means.

吉總表示：隊上不知道Pineda打算用松焦油，而這是個「糟糕的判斷」。
Rothschild：或許Pineda覺得在個有風的、氣溫10度Ｃ的晚上，目的能
正當化手段。
（譯註：.......）

"I'm not sure that he understood the implications, and I think it was more in
his mind that he needed to grip the baseball," Rothschild said. "Whatever he
had to do, I'm not sure if he thought there'd be an understanding of it, but
it's one of those things where I'm not sure he understood what the penalties
were -- even though I had told him what could happen. I think in his mind, he
needed to grip the baseball."

「我不是很確定他了解自己做了什麼。我想他自己是覺得他需要能確實
握球。......」
（譯註：刪節號內無限跳針「他只是想要確實握球」，即使「（我）已
經跟他說過會有什麼後果了。」）

In the future, Pineda said that he will "go out there and pitch my game. I
won't use it anymore."

Pineda說他未來不會再犯。

For any violation, the official rules provide a guideline that "the pitcher
shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended
automatically for 10 games," but that applies only to National Association
(Minor League) games.

在小聯盟，犯了該條規則的話，為立即驅逐出場加自動禁賽十場。

Major League Baseball has latitude to decide the length of a suspension and
will review the incident. In 2012, Rays right-hander Joel Peralta was found
to have pine tar on his glove and was ejected from a game; Peralta was
suspended for eight games by Major League Baseball.

Cashman said that Pineda's blatancy had essentially forced Farrell to bring
it to the umpires' attention.

"Listen, I would want our manager to do what John Farrell did," Cashman said.
"I would want, on behalf of our fan base and our team, to do the same thing
that they did."

After Pineda's ejection, Girardi shoved a remotely-controlled ESPN camera
that was stationed on the home-plate side of New York's dugout. The camera
had been capturing video of Pineda talking to Rothschild and head athletic
trainer Steve Donohue.

"I don't want it down in our tunnel," Girardi said. "That's our private area.
It has been clearly stated that that is for the dugout, not for the tunnel,
not for conversations and what happens between players and coaches. That was
my beef. If I was really going to tear up the camera, I would have torn it
up."

Because the umpires did not observe the substance back on April 10, Major
League Baseball executive vice president of operations Joe Torre said then
that Pineda would not face discipline, though Torre did speak to Cashman
about the issue.

Pineda repeatedly claimed then that the substance on his pitching hand was
only dirt, which he had applied to his hand because he was sweating too much.

"This is the past. I don't want to talk about it," Pineda said. "I know I
made a mistake today. That's it."

Though it is in violation of MLB Rule 8.02, pitchers have been known to use
pine tar, spray-on sunscreen and other sticky substances to help with their
control.

"When it's cold out and windy, those balls are like cue balls and it makes it
really tough," Rothschild said. "Look, he's not doing anything to try to
change things and get a hitter out -- scuffing the ball, using Vaseline or
anything like that. It was strictly what he said, and that's trying to get a
better grip on the baseball."

And the Red Sox have had their own recent history with pitchers and
substances on the mound. Clay Buchholz was accused of throwing spitballs in a
start against the Blue Jays last May, and during the World Series against the
Cardinals, Jon Lester's glove showed a green substance that was said to be
resin.

"Most guys I know use some sort of something: rosin, sweat, suntan lotion,"
Boston catcher A.J. Pierzynski said. "Since the beginning of the game, guys
have always tried to use something just to get a better grip. It helps your
command. As a hitter, I'm not against it.

"I don't want guys up there with the ball slipping out of their fingers
throwing it everywhere. You want a guy who has somewhat of an idea of where
it's going. It doesn't bother me at all that guys do that. It just bothers me
that he can't make it so blatant."

Pineda's ejection and expected suspension provide a double hit to the
Yankees. New York lost right-hander Ivan Nova to a torn right ulnar
collateral ligament earlier this week, likely ending his season, and the
Yankees had to use four relievers to soak up the remaining 6 1/3 innings on
Wednesday.

"I mean, it's a young kid," Girardi said. "I don't think he's trying to do
anything to cheat. I think he's trying to just go out there and compete. It's
unfortunate it happened, but we'll deal with it and we'll get through this.
It's a little bump in the road and we'll be all right."



太長了　晚點再補orz

後面有提到Giradi撥攝影機的事件跟說法（那台是搖控的耶科科）

Peralta的先例

然後大部份是各方意見跟洋基方的辯護

還有一些事件後果戰情分析

報導還有附規則跟罰責的規定

但我沒想到本文就這麼多...


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→ charlie01:在場邊的Cashman也很老實說第二局中有人跟他講 但他想
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推 s4340392:推翻譯
推 CanoNYY:純推查理大
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