→ noguest:Another BS Heisman vote, it's not best college player 12/13 10:39
→ noguest:award, it becomes best-stats-on-#1-team award. 12/13 10:40
推 yij:樓上何解? 12/13 10:41
→ noguest:two words: Ndamukong Suh 12/13 10:46
→ noguest:Suh is the best and most dominating college football 12/13 10:49
→ noguest:player, hands down. Heisman again shows no love for 12/13 10:49
→ noguest:defensive player. 12/13 10:50
推 Xtreme:best-stats-on-#1-team award有什麼不好? 12/13 11:11
→ Xtreme:要看數據有各項獎項可以得 12/13 11:11
推 TKtrojan:05年Reggie Bush...USC那年輸給了Vince Young領軍的Texas 12/13 12:03
→ TKtrojan:不過Leinert 04年拿Heisman 結果USC那年還是贏Oklahoma 12/13 12:04
→ TKtrojan:拿下全國冠軍 所以Curse是從05那年開始的... 12/13 12:04
→ noguest:It seems like Xtreme agrees Heisman should be renamed 12/13 12:08
→ noguest:to best-stats-on-#1-team award instead of most 12/13 12:09
→ noguest:outstanding player award. XD 12/13 12:09
推 nacarafog:this is full of crap and all about media love 12/13 12:34
→ nacarafog:Ingram is not even the best RB in the nation 12/13 12:35
→ nacarafog:and second worst stat in the Heisman history 12/13 12:35
推 Xtreme:支持的人拿不到獎就是BS是Crap? 既然知道是crap又何必生氣? 12/13 12:36
→ nacarafog:HOW COULD YOU WIN THE BEST PLAYER AWARD 12/13 12:36
→ Xtreme:獎只有一個 天下哪有公平的事? 12/13 12:36
→ nacarafog:IF YOU ARE NOT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER IN YOUR POS? 12/13 12:37
→ Xtreme:Suh可以拿到最大NFL合約，McCoy還有一場可以證明自己 12/13 12:37
→ nacarafog:Thing is Ingram doesn't deserve the best player 12/13 12:37
→ nacarafog:I don't care whether McCoy get Heisman 12/13 12:38
→ Xtreme:Best position自己有獎項ok? Heisman=MVP近年來都是這樣的 12/13 12:38
→ Xtreme:要看數據那Graham Harrell Case Keenum應該拿這二年 12/13 12:40
推 nacarafog:So it's "one game" MVP? huh? 12/13 12:41
→ nacarafog:Alabama is could be undefeated not because 12/13 12:43
→ nacarafog:of Ingram 12/13 12:43
→ nacarafog:look back Bama's scheudle tell me how many game they 12/13 12:44
→ nacarafog:won because of their defense? huh? 12/13 12:44
→ nacarafog:Ingram just provides some steady contribution 12/13 12:45
→ nacarafog:and have one or two big games 12/13 12:45
推 nacarafog:and his number is the second worst in the history 12/13 12:49
→ nacarafog:you tell me this is MVP in the nation? 12/13 12:49
→ nacarafog:face the truth it is all about media love 12/13 12:49
推 tirple:樓上We all know who you gonna say who really deserves 12/13 13:32
→ tirple:it, so save it. 12/13 13:32
推 nacarafog:no I don't give a crap on McCoy 12/13 13:33
→ nacarafog:I think he deserves last year 12/13 13:34
→ nacarafog:this year is just not his year 12/13 13:34
→ nacarafog:he could have this trophy 12/13 13:34
→ nacarafog:but they are other people deserve this trophy 12/13 13:35
→ nacarafog:more than McCoy and that RB from Bama 12/13 13:35
推 tirple:Now you're just being ridiculous, my friend lol 12/13 13:37
→ tirple:McCoy Last year? Are we saying the one that compete 12/13 13:37
→ tirple:with Bradford? 12/13 13:37
→ nacarafog:such as Toby Gerhart 12/13 13:38
→ nacarafog:Do you realize that McCoy beat Bradford last year? 12/13 13:39
→ nacarafog:45-35 there you go! 12/13 13:40
→ nacarafog:We don't have defense last year 12/13 13:41
→ nacarafog:we didn't have running game neither 12/13 13:42
→ nacarafog:We won every game because of our offense 12/13 13:42
→ nacarafog:And McCoy is the our key to run offense 12/13 13:43
→ nacarafog:Without McCoy last year, we were full of shit 12/13 13:44
→ nacarafog:BTW he is our leading rusher as well 12/13 13:44
→ nacarafog:and McCoy beat Bradford!!! 12/13 13:45
→ nacarafog:we were underdog which ranked only 10 last year 12/13 13:46
→ nacarafog:This is what best player in the nation stands for 12/13 13:48
→ nacarafog:My friend. 12/13 13:48
推 broken543:Yds after contact可以到115...... 12/13 14:04
→ noguest:again, Xtreme you're wrong. While I support Gerhart 12/13 14:08
→ noguest:and want my alma mater to have another Heisman winner, 12/13 14:08
→ noguest:I know Suh is the best player in the country. What I 12/13 14:08
→ noguest:don't agree is Heisman goes to media hype again instea 12/13 14:09
→ noguest:d of choosing the best player in the country. 12/13 14:09
→ noguest:It's funny that you never argue Heisman fuck up one 12/13 14:10
→ noguest:more time this year. Heisman=MVP and Ingram is NOT 12/13 14:10
→ noguest:the MVP in college football this year. Since you like 12/13 14:10
→ noguest:to talk about position award (don't know your point 12/13 14:10
→ noguest:tbh), Ingram is not even the best player in his 12/13 14:10
→ noguest:position and he is even benefitted by a much better 12/13 14:10
→ noguest:O-line than Gerhart. 12/13 14:10
推 dwy:有點意外又有點不意外！私心是給Suh or Gerhart 話說前兩名 12/13 14:10
→ dwy:超接近！ 12/13 14:11
推 nacarafog:Ingram is one game MVP 12/13 14:13
→ nacarafog:the game is called SEC Champ 12/13 14:13
→ nacarafog:ESPN is still biased 12/13 14:13
推 dwy:也覺得有點受sec冠軍賽影響！沒辦法，他在那一場打得好啊！ 12/13 14:17
→ dwy:拿冠軍比較重要啦！去年我老婆學校的阿呆拿了還不是冠軍賽輸球 12/13 14:19
→ dwy:nacarafog你就想搞不好魔咒繼續，你們家今年就冠軍啦！ 12/13 14:19
→ dwy:雖然覺得你們有點運氣，那一場Suh超威啊... 12/13 14:21
→ dwy:這幾年的得主進NFL有多少是到現在還表現的不錯的啊？ 12/13 14:23
推 nacarafog:Suh is the real beast 12/13 14:30
→ nacarafog:He destorys McCoy's Hesiman hope 12/13 14:30
→ nacarafog:I don't want to think of Hesiman curse 12/13 14:32
→ nacarafog:because IF we win on Jan 07 in Pasadena 12/13 14:32
推 nacarafog:it simply states we are the best team in the nation 12/13 14:36
→ nacarafog:The best team will win that game 12/13 14:38
→ nacarafog:if Suh beat texas that day, he is the man 12/13 14:39
→ nacarafog:the man with that trophy but he has bad luck 12/13 14:40
推 nacarafog:in opioin Suh is the best player in NCAA 12/13 14:42
推 nacarafog:BTW Bama is not No.1 team yet. not yet 12/13 14:51
→ nacarafog:So Ingram couldn't be MVP of No.1 team at this point 12/13 14:51
→ nacarafog:The No.1 still needs to be determined 12/13 14:52
推 dwy:way to go! 我們也要在Pasadena比啊！對了！你們明年的qb會是 12/13 15:15
→ dwy:有可能讓Case來接嗎？ 12/13 15:15
推 nacarafog:不會 Case 99.987654%會Reshirt 哈 12/13 15:42
→ nacarafog:他的身材還不行應該需要一年的重訓 12/13 15:43
→ nacarafog:雖說他的Arm strength比他老哥好 12/13 15:43
→ nacarafog:其他方面也很不錯 12/13 15:44
→ nacarafog:但是他跟他老哥高中的實後比起來 還差一個檔次 12/13 15:44
→ nacarafog:應該不是即戰力 12/13 15:45
→ nacarafog:明年的Back up QB應該不外乎是Sherrod Harris或是 12/13 15:45
→ nacarafog:Conor Wood-->這傢伙我們期望很大 12/13 15:46
→ nacarafog:Physical talent很棒但是比較晚接觸Football 12/13 15:46
→ nacarafog:也是需要好好磨練 12/13 15:46
→ nacarafog:明年的先發應該是#3 Garret Gilbert 12/13 15:48
→ nacarafog:所以假設大家都沒有redshirt的話 12/13 15:49
→ nacarafog:推測 1.GG 2/3. Sharrod/Conor 4. Case 12/13 15:50
→ nacarafog:其面排很多人所以Case應該是會redshirt 12/13 15:50
→ nacarafog:然後Shipley他弟後年要進來 12/13 15:52
→ nacarafog:所以 McCoy-Shipley可能還有續集 12/13 15:52
→ nacarafog:Wood的條件比較像是Ole Miss 的Snead 12/13 15:53
→ nacarafog:但是體能條件好很多很多很多很多很多y 12/13 15:54
推 nacarafog:大概是這樣子了 Case其實條件比他哥好 12/13 15:57
→ nacarafog:Gator那時後也有offer他的樣子 12/13 15:57
→ dougho:i wonder how many of you actually watched all of 12/13 16:21
→ dougho:Suh's games to say he's the best player in the league.. 12/13 16:21
推 mrkey:這也可以戰.....怎麼有點像是在看幾年前AL MVP 戲碼 12/13 16:29
→ dougho:defensive player本來就得不到太多愛 又不像qb rb 12/13 16:30
→ mrkey:今年已經是 close call 還要戰...吵完也還是 Ingram 拿回家 12/13 16:30
→ mrkey:Suh,Gerhart,McCoy 今年某些比賽/整個球季打的多突出 12/13 16:30
→ dougho:可以拿出很多好看的數據 而且他也得到defensive PoY 12/13 16:30
→ mrkey:投票的人,球迷都看在眼裡. Heisman 真的就決定一切? 12/13 16:31
→ dougho:我已經準備要下texas會贏nc了XD 12/13 16:35
→ dougho:感覺很多人只是為了反而反...~"~ 12/13 16:37
→ mrkey:Texas會贏嗎? um.....interesting 12/13 18:10
推 nacarafog:I feel this year has no offense dominate team 12/13 18:13
→ nacarafog:every team has inconsistent offense problems 12/13 18:13
→ nacarafog:but this year shows soem defense flash 12/13 18:15
→ nacarafog:so my best player will come from defense player 12/13 18:16
→ nacarafog:i watched several of his games 12/13 18:16
→ nacarafog:I am impressed how he create consistent preasure 12/13 18:16
→ nacarafog:to QB he forces every one to double team him 12/13 18:17
→ nacarafog:which leaves the space for his teammates 12/13 18:18
→ nacarafog:and he still beats double team 12/13 18:18
→ nacarafog:i am impressed how OU lost its game to NEB 12/13 18:18
→ nacarafog:如果今天是Suh或是Toby 拿回家 12/13 18:19
→ nacarafog:我沒話說啊 McCoy deserves 但是有人比他更deserves 12/13 18:20
→ nacarafog:令人不爽的是這講根本是media love 愛誰就是誰 12/13 18:21
→ nacarafog:然後ESPN還一直在推銷他們喜歡的球員 12/13 18:22
→ nacarafog:而且Ingram不管是數字還是球隊重要性 12/13 18:23
→ nacarafog:都沒有其他球員好看 12/13 18:24
→ nacarafog:看看人家Ricky Williams那時候是怎麼拿到的 12/13 18:27
→ nacarafog:看看人家的數字 12/13 18:27
→ nacarafog:Ingram 不只不相近差的十萬八千里 12/13 18:27
→ nacarafog:論球隊重要性 12/13 18:27
→ nacarafog:Bama沒有Ingram 不一定會輸球 有他也不一定會多贏 12/13 18:28
→ nacarafog:看看Auburn 跟Tenn的比賽 12/13 18:28
推 nacarafog:Bama今年的比賽幾乎的都是靠防守打天下的 12/13 18:32
推 nacarafog:看看Toby的數據 你要不要試試看不讓他打 12/13 18:34
→ nacarafog:stanford 今年會是什麼樣子? 12/13 18:34
→ nacarafog:你要不要看看McCoy 今年受傷會是怎樣 12/13 18:34
→ nacarafog:你要不要看看Shu 受傷不打 Ned 會少贏多少場 12/13 18:35
→ nacarafog:默行其妙嘛 這是 12/13 18:36
→ nacarafog:而且跟其他winner 比起來他的數字是史上倒數第二 12/13 18:36
→ nacarafog:重要性比不過人家 數字也比不過人家 12/13 18:37
→ nacarafog:這樣拿的很理直氣壯嗎? 12/13 18:37
推 Xtreme:你有看過Bama第一場比賽嗎? 沒有Ingram第一場就敗了 12/13 23:40
→ Xtreme:每個人都很值得，獎就一個，都已經頒了不爽也沒用(茶) 12/13 23:40
推 mrkey:說實在的,有關於Heisman,我到覺得ESPN算是沒有偏頗任何人 12/14 00:05
→ mrkey:裡面幾個大佬說要投給誰的時候,其實都挺平均的 12/14 00:05
→ mrkey:Suh和Toby的表現,我也沒話講.看了TEX/NEB, OU/NEB, USC/STAN 12/14 00:06
→ mrkey:的比賽, 我也一度懷疑會是他們兩個拿. 但是我想 12/14 00:07
→ mrkey:1.regional排擠效應太強. Suh和McCoy同區,McCoy拿B12冠軍 12/14 00:07
→ mrkey:Suh和McCoy馬上先起衝突. 至於Toby,他欠缺某種程度上的包裝 12/14 00:09
→ mrkey:Ingram上CBS,ESPN太多次(轉播),Toby的STAN印象中幾乎沒有 12/14 00:09
→ mrkey:坦白說,今年給Tebow以外的四位,我都沒意見.選Heisman 12/14 00:11
→ mrkey:的方是我是不太清楚,但很明顯,戰績這方面實在很吃香. 12/14 00:11
→ mrkey:如果要比數據,那就像X大說的,Keenum,Harrell早該得了 12/14 00:12
→ mrkey:就看你怎麼定義Heisman的解釋是甚麼. 12/14 00:13
推 mrkey:既然人家是選Ingram,就可見數據並不是在所有投票者中認為 12/14 00:18
→ mrkey:最重要的數據. 或者, 也不是用甚麼"從一隊抽掉"的想法去評估 12/14 00:19
推 nacarafog:如果不是用數字或是重要性 那要拿什麼當依據呢? 12/14 02:26
→ nacarafog:雖說數據不是最重要的 但是也不能太爛吧? 12/14 02:27
→ nacarafog:i mean 不能太普通吧? 12/14 02:27
→ nacarafog:一整個投票的過程就偏向media love 12/14 02:28
→ nacarafog:這是最不能接受的地方 12/14 02:29
→ nacarafog:要拿這個獎就要該有的數字或是相對數字 12/14 02:30
→ nacarafog:也必須要該有的重要性 12/14 02:30
→ nacarafog:這也是這獎最原始的選擇方式 12/14 02:32
推 nacarafog:ESPN從SEC Champ 打完之後就開始每天大力推銷 12/14 02:34
→ nacarafog:Bama跟Ingram 然後一直在電視上說我會投誰我會投誰 12/14 02:36
推 Xtreme:投票啊 就像Jeter拿金手套一樣啊XD 12/14 03:35
推 ChaosCreator:樓樓上，ESPN在季初講最多的是Tebow、McCoy、Ingram 12/14 03:46
→ ChaosCreator:Gerhart的名字是在USC莫再提之後才冒出來，Suh在季末 12/14 03:48
→ ChaosCreator:稍微有被提到，大十二冠軍賽後變成熱門之一。 12/14 03:48
推 TKtrojan:ㄐ特拿金手套那個比喻真讚 XD 12/14 12:50
→ TKtrojan:不過拿Heisman跟以後在Pro的發展的關係並不是那麼強 12/14 12:52
→ TKtrojan:所以這種投票選出來的獎大家看看就好 12/14 12:54
→ yr:ESPN 的 E 就是 Entertainment 嘛！不用意外啦！ XD 12/14 23:40