[新聞] Joba Chamberlain ready to ditch Joba Rules

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張伯倫自己說已經準備好拋開Joba Rules的局數限制

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Joba Chamberlain ready to ditch Joba Rules


Joba Chamberlain hopes the training wheels are taken off next season. The

Yankees' young righthander said Friday he understood that the team was pacing

him with the so-called Joba Rules, but he wants to let loose in 2010.


"I hope the Joba Rules shirts, hopefully, can be gone for a while," Chamberlain

said, referring to the T-shirts that are popular among Yankee fans. Chamberlain

spoke to reporters at Yankee Stadium briefly after Friday's ticker-tape parade.


"I know what it takes to be successful in this game and I want to do it for a

long time. As a competitor, it's frustrating sometimes but you also know it's

for the better. The organization's done great by me, they've been tremendous t

hrough the last couple of years and I can't thank them enough.


"But at times it gets frustrating."


The frustration was obvious this season for Chamberlain, who was 9-6 with a

4.78 ERA in 31 starts. He was 7-2 with a 3.58 ERA over 1102/3 innings through

July. But then the Rules, which had Chamberlain slated to pitch around 160

innings, were tweaked.


At first, Joe Girardi tried skipping Chamberlain's starts to give him more

rest, but the righty was clearly uncomfortable with that routine. Then Girardi

kept him on regular rest, but severely limited his innings in each outing. He

went 2-4 with a 7.69 ERA over his last 11 starts.


Chamberlain finished the regular season having pitched 1561/3 innings as a

starter and one inning in relief.


The hard-throwing righthander returned to the bullpen with mixed results in

the playoffs. He threw 61/3 innings over 10 games, including three innings in

the World Series. His last appearance, a scoreless inning in Game 6, was fun,

he said.


"It felt great. It's funny because I was just facing guys, not being nervous,

but being so excited at being in the situation that a couple times I had to

catch myself," Chamberlain said. "I so enjoyed being there and pitching, I

almost forgot what was going on, that this was the World Series, Game 6 and we

were going to win. I had to stop and just had to slow it down. It was fun."


Fresh from enjoying the sight of his son, Karter, throw paper back into the

crowds at the ticker-tape parade, the key to the city still in the pocket of

his coat and his voice hoarse from celebrating, Chamberlain didn't want to talk

anymore about his role next season. "I am looking to sleep and relax right now,

it's been a long year," Chamberlain said. "Whenever that happens, we'll tackle

it, but right now, I just want to enjoy this."


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推 cogi:明年Joba跟Hughes應該要佔去兩個SP的位置,後者選擇權用完了
→ cogi:Joba應該可以投180局,換大帝有局數限制,所以我覺得簽王是必要
→ cogi:或許在明星賽後,會有必要頂替已經接近局數限制的大帝
→ cogi:今年張伯倫就是局數限制到了,卻沒人可以接,一整個冏
→ shongzcwea:那也是今年開季明明是5號卻必須提前上班的緣故
→ cogi:藉這篇討論,如果能用比較便宜的價格重簽王,蠻符合洋基需要的
推 presentcake:王應該會去一個有辦法給他固定先發的球隊吧
→ fred0780:應該是 大帝要接Joba      王可以一整季阿
推 cogi:他也要六月才能上場,以洋基的隊形對他來說剛好,當然如果別人
推 argoth:一整季不太可能 手術後要真的能投沒這麼快
→ cogi:給他更好的offer,沒有不去的道理,但我覺得洋基應該簽回來保險
→ cogi:大帝接Joba的意思是季中轉SP? 拜託不要啦   XD
推 pathfinder:結果討論了一堆 現金人跑去姜雷姬家洗碗.....XD
→ cogi:姜雷機是三號SP,不衝突啦,簽姜就不會簽派帥了
推 shongzcwea:Hughes跟Joba明年開季就直接先發就好了
→ cogi:如果能夠評估Lackey的傷病狀態,我覺得簽他不錯,畢竟重簽派帥
→ cogi:應該也不便宜,有blog估要12-14m(I doubt it),姜大概要16m吧
→ shongzcwea:重簽派帥不會這麼貴啦  這麼貴就會去找Garland了
推 argoth:我記得Lackey是想找一個類似AJ等級的合約
→ shongzcwea:Lackey當3號最好是在EA sports裡想想就好
推 mea7211:簽派帥不太可能到這麼貴 今年加上激勵都沒這麼多…
推 ivanos:Joba也只能靠實力來證明自己了  對Girardi來說講很多的用處
→ ivanos:其實不大
→ mea7211:我猜給派帥的約應該是底薪加一些 還是有部份要靠激勵
推 cogi:抱歉,我的意思是前三號,意思是跟討論Joba/大帝/王 是兩回事
→ cogi:如果Lackey進來,應該會擠身2號吧,不過他跟AJ同時受傷就哭哭了
推 argoth:前三號隨便傷兩個都會哭哭
推 shongzcwea:我們明年應該是需要什麼補什麼 真正的洞不在SP 簽雷姬
→ shongzcwea:就不用想補外野了
→ argoth:走兩管砲管要怎麼補問題恐怕也不小
→ cogi:真正的洞 就LF,C,SP呀 C暫時不用管他,LF鎖定目標了
→ argoth:就算假日或灣哥能兩個簽一個 要補上大門和松井離開的火力
→ shongzcwea:明年先發陣容完整  應該是玩樂透就好了  可以睹Sheets
→ shongzcwea:Harden和王  但前提是都不能太貴
→ argoth:還是有點難度  而且老波 隊長等人也更老一歲了
→ cogi:其實明年松加大門26M,Nady7M,王5M,派帥10M....可以做很多事哩
推 DaLanPa5566:不然joba跟大帝就當第四號，場場雙先發!!!
→ shongzcwea:那你知道CC明年貴9M嗎  Cano薪資也漲3M  Swisher多1M
→ shongzcwea:清出來的比想像中的少很多
推 cogi:明年SP當然還是洞啊,把派帥簽回來or簽一個FA 怎麼不是洞?
→ cogi:然後簽個LF,C就不管他了 這樣應該就ok了 我覺得錢夠用啦
→ shongzcwea:LF要花接近20M  SP 10M  這樣薪資只比去年少5M
→ cogi:所以SP的上限可以到15M呀 所以一開始我說考慮Lackey也沒錯
→ argoth:DL大神一來搞 XX海這樣是洞啦
→ shongzcwea:是一定夠用  可是就不能去強求Lackey  不然LF品質要降
→ cogi:當然...傷病和又臭又長的約是一定要考慮的,風險很大
推 nickyang:有什麼道理payroll要降-_- 今年GM換洪瑞河嗎
→ cogi:最好假日簽個18M/y,這樣搞定SP的時候會比較充裕一點
推 shongzcwea:Payroll是不用降  但也不能預期他還會上升
→ nickyang:算那個幾M是沒意義的，這支球隊可是NYY耶
→ cogi:n大,也沒這麼誇張啦,你真的以為薪資無上限喔?
→ nickyang:為什麼不能預期？新球場+冠軍，你今年的payroll比去年低
推 DaLanPa5566:小老闆:錢不夠阿，我這邊有些現金先拿去花
→ nickyang:薪資大概有個頂，但是不會是那個幾個M
→ cogi:應該可以預期和去年維持平盤,甚至小降一點,畢竟清出幾張大約
→ cogi:我們隨便講,都是30-40M,會沒差這幾個M?這是別人一整隊的薪資
→ nickyang:...........算了。真是一群專業的洋基迷
推 s80454:今年季後賽難道還看不出來SP有洞嗎...總不可能每次只用3SP
→ cogi:n大,我也希望薪資無上限,但不可能啊,所以才要討論怎樣用最好
→ cogi:又不是玩MVP,隨便你簽,那我就簽雷機,Garland,Sheet...好嗎?
推 s80454:基本上要衛冕總冠軍的球隊，你沒有進步那就是退步
→ poning:拿到總冠軍了 The Boss 哪會管payroll多幾M少幾M
→ cogi:的確是啊,老實說今年3SP打季後有點幸運,隊型實在不完整
→ poning:又不是Marlins拿到總冠軍就大拍賣
推 s80454:而且FA有薑雷姬..真的可以試著談看看
→ s80454:LF應該會跟bay Matt接觸...DH由現有人員輪值
→ s80454:然後在重簽派派...事實上Payroll大概會升個10M左右
推 cogi:就不知道肯不肯賭Lackey,因為他不是簽一年,一錯得要錯五年
→ s80454:就看球團要不要買單摟
→ cogi:基本上Lackey跟派帥應該只能擇一,薪資和位置的考量
→ cogi:除非要讓Hughes和Joba輪五號,但這樣對他們的發展都不好
推 gerkk:小王很可能要到五月才能投球,讓他從牛棚出發也是個選項
→ cogi:讓Hughes季中轉,可能又會重蹈覆轍,何況他也有傷病史
→ poning:就一個上季待了2/3季牛棚的投手而言 從5號開始合理阿
推 fiona:雷姬要的約應該不會比AJ小吧...事實上AJ今年能完整打完我很
→ cogi:我是說,讓他們兩個輪五號....意思是又要有人rp轉sp....
→ poning:Joba明年一定得讓他待在輪值了
推 s80454:雷姬葛格一直都有穩定表現阿...我認為真的可以試著談談
→ fiona:驚訝，明年如果有季後應該不會再繼續3SP了 哪有天天在過年的
→ poning:還有Yankees不一定會要王
→ cogi:如果有雷姬,就可能不能有派帥了這點得要接受,Joba/大帝四五號
→ s80454:王葛格應該會用底薪續約吧  我猜
→ cogi:我原本的想法就是,王去支援Joba/大帝的四五號位置 剛好
→ s80454:所以還是需要一個2-3號  雷姬很適合阿
→ cogi:給個2M加激勵應該很夠了吧,別隊能出更高嗎?
→ cogi:老實說我也很想Lackey啦,但一來要基迷捨棄派帥,二來雷姬的傷
→ poning:難講 09年wang的表現就像是個不太穩又容易受傷的5號
→ poning:而且他30歲了
推 s80454:王續約機率很小，就算續約也是1年底薪約賭看看會不會復活
推 cogi:底薪應該簽不到,因為底薪的話很多隊都願易賭,我猜兩2M啦
→ cogi:不然來開賭盤好了....(大誤)
→ poning:很多隊要賭不代表Yankees一定要賭
→ poning:Yankees並不會缺錢買5號
推 cogi:p先生,請你把整個推文討論串看完好嗎?我說簽王為了當backup
→ cogi:因為看來4/5號就是要給Joba跟大帝了,我知道你覺得洋基很有錢
→ cogi:但什麼時候需要再另外砸錢去簽五號?
推 nickyang:其實你這整串最值得的就是創意賞而已
→ poning:我看完啦 但backup為何一定要簽王 這中間沒有必然性
→ saew:前面如果不巧有sp受傷或是不穩'王可以頂上去c大是這意思吧!!
→ cogi:我沒說有必然性,只是代價不高可以試試 你也可以覺得王沒救了
→ cogi:只是這時候放掉,蠻可惜的,畢竟代價真的不高,洋基又需要backup
推 s80454:把雷姬跟派派一起簽回來就不會有sp不足的問題摟  揪咪
→ poning:能當backup的投手並不少 08Rasner都可以給他113.1局了
→ Aldousphyx:backup用一個有美東實績又便宜的農場投手 還過分嗎 XD
→ argoth:哈哈
→ saew:鋪
→ poning:那個19勝實蹟到明年就已經是3年前的事情了
推 cogi:說真的,我會這樣討論是完全站在洋基角度,站在王的角度,他去別
→ poning:我認同要簽個SP 但不代表一定是王 王只是一個選項
→ cogi:隊,發揮空間可能更大 p大很不看好王,但或許他對洋基會有幫助
推 s80454:其實去年受傷前小王表現也很好 只是今年爆掉了
→ Aldousphyx:所以你寧願賭FA的二流投手來當No.5??..
推 argoth:二流當五號已經夠了 更甚者還有用洗的
→ poning:市場會告訴你wang跟你所謂的"FA的二流投手"差距有多少
→ poning:既然是或許那就該把王跟FA放在同角度觀察
→ s80454:好啦不要吵架  等著看現金人的佈局吧 雖然他說冬天不會有
→ s80454:動作   但有人會相信嗎XD
推 cogi:現在是王的市場價值最低點,我覺得剛backup剛好,反彈大賺
→ cogi:就這樣而已,王就此一決不振的可能性也是存在,但代價很低
推 argoth:不要簽王就不會吵了(茶)
→ cogi:我真的是站在洋基角度,今天王走了,我還是支持洋基而非王
推 s80454:王去兄弟的話會吵嗎XD
→ cogi:王去兄弟的話,就可以換一個版吵了,比較熱鬧....(誤)
推 Aldousphyx:王去別隊對洋基迷應該也沒啥傷害 頂多王先發當天播其它
→ poning:wang要是一蹶不振又沒受傷可是會佔去一個40人名單
→ saew:井川:........痾那個...我......!!
推 cogi:真的一蹶不振就DFA而已,也沒很難吧?佔40人名單有什麼打緊?
→ cogi:花一兩M簽就跟簽來洗是一樣的意思,不洗可惜而已
推 argoth:井川不在40人名單
→ cogi:你自己又一直強調洋基不差那幾M,那現在是差40人名單了??
→ proletariat:先補LF重簽1年派帥小王等2011年簽C.Lee等大魚補SP
→ saew:井川:......(默默)
→ poning:錢可以買球員 買不到一個球員名單
推 ppoll2:=   =...寄信去應徵NY GM說不定會比較快喔
→ proletariat:簽J.Lackey不如放眼2010年後FA的投手
→ poning:DFA後仍然要找個投手 到時候選擇沒有比現在多
推 cogi:40人名單最有差是差在rule5選秀,不然就DFA掉而已啊 = =
→ cogi:我從一開始就說了,我的立場是簽王來當backup,backupDFA會怎樣
→ poning:我只是說wang可以是一個選項 沒說一定不要簽他
→ cogi:還是你覺得四五號不要放Joba跟大帝,要另外簽FA當五號?
→ poning:希望Yankees可以多比較這樣罷了
→ FlyFreedom:怎麼那麼愛抬槓
推 meier0112:插話XD 王是擺60DL 不佔40人名單
推 zardbz:C大的想法ok啊~
推 jayin07:大家對closer這麼樂觀啊XD
→ saew:m大他總會好ok= =''
→ argoth:RP市場...恩  最近只聽說梅子不撿J.J Putz
噓 pupu1000:大弟應該不行吧~ 季後賽的表現....
推 raygod:不要J.J Putz~~
推 danny789:今年季後賽用3SP賭很大,明年前肯定會在SP部份有大作為
→ danny789:另外我猜小民不論是用何方式洋基都會留下他
推 GerritCole:好像大家都忘記IPK了= =
推 lafayee:王明年如果被簽下來 投不好可能就會被當交易籌碼了吧
推 Picoro:投不好要怎麼當籌碼換 ... 可以考慮的換法是 ... ?
推 leddy:怎麼看到英美雙碩士在這裡噓啊?
→ OoyaoO:投不好要怎麼當籌碼換？
推 leondemon:那投的好會拿出去當籌碼換？
推 maxspeed150:會阿 如果說他可以換到更好的東西的話
→ maxspeed150:medicore player只換的到medicore player
→ maxspeed150:但是一個表現不錯的新秀是可以換到很好的東西的
推 maxspeed150:拼錯...是mediocre
推 Sechslee:自己看看這幾年用了多少"二流投手" 5號還要要求一流 lol
推 lavigneA:在這裡說破嘴也沒用 交給現金人就對了
推 Rhomboid:洋基簽王就像是買跌到最低點的股票 就算還是廢一季也不虧
→ Rhomboid:更何況王自己也想要留 有更多議價空間
→ sneak       : 因為看來4/5號就是要 https://noxiv.com