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ew York Yankees won't deal for Mariners ace Cliff Lee, likely won't make move for starter: source 官方說補強 Lee或是任何先發投手都不在洋基的計畫當中 不過新聞開頭寫Cliff Lee might become a Yankee someday, but don't expect that day to come any time soon. 峭壁李也許有一天會穿上條紋球衣 但是別期待那一天這麼快到來 "There is no urgency to do anything with the rotation," 對於現在輪值並沒有任何迫切性需要去改變 "Our focus is trying to get our guys healthy and back on the field." 我們焦點只放在讓自己球員健康並回到球場 這是Cash說的 BALTIMORE - Cliff Lee might become a Yankee someday, but don't expect that day to come any time soon. The trade deadline is more than seven weeks away, and while the Yankees continue to scout every player they believe may become available in the next month or so, a team official told the Daily News Wednesday that adding Lee - or any starting pitcher - is not in the Yankees' plans. "There is no urgency to do anything with the rotation," the official said in response to a published report that suggested the Yankees were going to be bidders for Lee. "That's not an area that we're focused on." The official said that only three players had already been made available by their teams, and while he wouldn't name the players out of respect to those organizations, he confirmed that Lee was not one of them. Lee, the 2008 AL Cy Young winner, is 4-2 with a 2.77ERA in eight starts this season for the last-place Mariners. Most industry experts believe Lee will be dealt before the July 31 deadline, but even if and when that happens, the Yankees won't be in on the bidding, the official said, unless one of their five current starters suffers a serious injury. "Seattle may be doing its prep work by scouting a bunch of different teams," the official said. "But it sounds like they're doing more prep work than we are on this one." Brian Cashman wouldn't comment on his interest level in Lee, but the general manager said he wasn't currently involved in active trade talks with any teams. "We just finished the draft, and teams really haven't decided whether they're going for it or not yet," Cashman said. "Our focus is trying to get our guys healthy and back on the field." The Mariners would love for the Yankees to get in the mix for Lee, according to a major-league source, as Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik is looking to add a premier catching prospect to his organization, making the Yankees an ideal trade partner thanks to their wealth of catching talent in the minors. Still, the source called the report of the Yankees' interest in Lee "ludicrous," questioning why the Bombers would mortgage the farm by trading one of those stud catching prospects, Jesus Montero or Austin Romine, for Lee when there is no hole in the rotation to fill. Lee, who is in the final year of his contract, does figure to be one of the Yankees' top free agent targets this winter. "After the year, when (Javier) Vazquez's contract is off the books, they'll make a push for him," the source said. "But the idea of them trading Montero for Lee now is ludicrous." http://ppt.cc/h@l4 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.113.180.65
GanLinBa :Sabathia Lee ..... 06/10 20:16
regina1d :簡譯:我雖然流口水,但不代表我是傻逼!XDDDD 06/10 20:16
GanLinBa :CLE:..... 06/10 20:17
poiuy0918 :先把牛棚補好再說 該火的快點火一火 06/10 20:19
DAMAEE :放話了XD 撲梗吧 06/10 20:22
chrisinptt :Sabathia + Lee + Burnett + Pettitte + Hughes o.ov 06/10 20:30
lef1986 :季後Vaz鐵定走人,Lee正好補上,嘿嘿 06/10 20:46
stan7228 :Cashman腦袋很清楚 06/10 21:04
chinhsi :Vaz回神了 維持最近的表現到playoff OK的~ 06/10 21:10
appshjkli :Pettitte給我回家退休,把Joba移回輪值;再放個FA的SP 06/10 21:20
noahlin :Joba連RP都當不好掉球速沒控球憑什麼當SP 06/10 21:22
proletariat :Joba趕快找回失去的球威吧...... 06/10 21:22
noahlin :Pettitte這麼穩也沒什麼退化跡象只要他肯投明年還是 06/10 21:22
noahlin :可以留著當個好用的工作馬 更不要說季後賽派派多穩 06/10 21:23
appshjkli :喔,拜託;那是因為沒位置,不然Joba在別隊一定是擺上去 06/10 21:26
appshjkli :還有Pettitte都幾歲了,他的背,手肘都是不定時炸彈 06/10 21:27
djcc :目前是缺牛呀 Lee不用別人說 他自己就會跳入FA了 06/10 21:27
stonemonkey :老派自我感覺良好中...季初才講感覺沒那麼好過XDDD 06/10 21:35
freeover :絕對支持派帥留下!!! 毫無退化跡象 超穩的!! 06/10 21:37
freeover :只怕他不肯留 不然真是一樣超值得的 06/10 21:38
appshjkli :阿,對了;另一個Andy應該回家吃飯的理由就是;他太貴了 06/10 21:38
appshjkli :11.75M貴死了 06/10 21:38
chancewen :樓上對派派意見很大( ‵□′)───C<─___-)||| 06/10 21:41
appshjkli :還有他的FIP跟xFIP分別是3.86跟4.00 06/10 21:41
sunshiny527 :以今年的成績來看不算"貴死了"吧 06/10 21:41
appshjkli :tRA也是4.01;BABIP.262也只有所以一定會上修 06/10 21:43
freeover :今年表現 她絕對是物超所值 而且他都簽短約 有啥好嫌 06/10 21:43
appshjkli :說物超所值也沒到那種程度,耶;11.75M很多耶 06/10 21:43
appshjkli :去年的FA市場根本就是慘淡無比;還拿了11.75M 06/10 21:44
freeover :恩..也是 不過還算不錯啦~ 爾且他真的很穩 季後又威 06/10 21:45
appshjkli :我是覺得他留下來就是擋人,他還能再投幾年? 06/10 21:45
freeover :爾且他都是確定自己能投 才繼續簽約 感覺很好!! 06/10 21:46
appshjkli :等到到時青黃不接的話就很悲慘了 06/10 21:46
appshjkli :至於感覺良好只能說;受傷不是你感覺良好就可以避免的 06/10 21:47
freeover :反正他自己都只願意簽短約 他會不會續約 是他的表現 06/10 21:49
freeover :決定的~ 不好 現金人會簽嗎~ 其實也不用擔心這問題 06/10 21:49
freeover :我覺得跟長約比 短約卻穩定的還是很值得! 06/10 21:50
siliver :若是持續短約,洋基繼續買單也是正常. 06/10 21:52
siliver :至於Joba只能說可惜了,去年好不容易操到局數夠說.... 06/10 21:52
pathfinder :今年春訓扔的比Hughes差也沒辦法,連Vaz掙扎的時候 06/10 21:54
chancewen :去年明星賽後喬巴表現直直落 06/10 21:54
pathfinder :也沒讓他再試看看,而是讓米崔之類的來扔 06/10 21:55
freeover :這就是現實面 喬巴太讓人沒安定感~ 06/10 21:55
freeover :就如現金人會花大錢繼續簽派帥 也是因為他穩啊~ 06/10 21:57
pathfinder :Joba蠻妙的,ERA5.06 FIP 2.17 xFIP 2.91 BABIP.379 06/10 22:01
pathfinder :總覺得Joba有點雖小,希望他接下來運氣好一點 06/10 22:02
siliver :年輕投手就是這樣啊,起起落落的很正常,Hughes07~08 06/10 22:07
Teixeira :以派派去年季後到今年的表現來說, 比我便宜多了 orx 06/10 22:07
siliver :不也是這樣??Joba的狀況在我看來根本問題不大. 06/10 22:08
stonemonkey :"把握時機"這4個字說來簡單真要做到的可就難了... 06/10 22:11
stonemonkey :不然也不會有一些人在換了環境以後大放異彩... 06/10 22:11
waderu :話說當年火哥球速也很火, 現在看JOBA上場比火哥還抖. 06/10 22:20
waderu :今天一上場差點就2支長打, 要不是乙組爆氣守備幫忙.. 06/10 22:22
chrisinptt :現在Joba 跟 BB尼有什麼兩樣 o.o 06/10 22:41
larusa :好好笑 xFIP3.92 23M的不嫌貴 XFIP4.44 16.5M也不嫌 06/10 23:30
larusa :貴 06/10 23:31
stevely :Cliff Lee!!! 06/10 23:43
appshjkli :提那些例子很蠢耶..就算那些貴,不代表11.75就不貴 06/10 23:51
noahlin :扣掉領新人約的跟板凳 要鞭誰貴今年的派派一定是倒數 06/10 23:57
noahlin :Rotation裡面除了新人約的Hughes誰比他值 06/10 23:58
noahlin :打線裡面比派派對得起薪水的也只有Cano和Swisher 06/10 23:59
appshjkli :一樣,就算別人也貴了;但是還是不代表Andy不貴 06/11 00:03
appshjkli :這是兩件事,OK? 06/11 00:04
noahlin :拿全聯盟的標準來看當然大家都overpay 但這裡是NYY 06/11 00:05
noahlin :用NYY過去幾年簽人的標準實在看不出派派貴在哪 06/11 00:05
appshjkli :喔,好笑;嗯歪歪就該撒錢亂花嗎?嗯歪歪只是更有能力 06/11 00:05
appshjkli :吃下薪資而已;去看看去年的FA市場投手拿到什麼價吧 06/11 00:06
noahlin :事實上用你的標準Cashman是一直灑錢亂花很多年了啊 06/11 00:06
larusa :我只是看不慣 有人更貴更離譜的不批罷了 06/11 00:08
appshjkli :是喔,既然照你說的敢花錢;那怎麼不留王葛格當備胎 06/11 00:08
noahlin :更何況用平均算並不客觀 短約對球團風險低 多付一點 06/11 00:08
noahlin :本來就是正常的 06/11 00:09
appshjkli :╮(╯_╰)╭ 06/11 00:10
djcc :現金人表示:一切我說了算 科科 只有我可以噱人 06/11 00:10
appshjkli :反正,如果又簽Andy又簽Lee;就等著看輪值薪資肥大又老 06/11 00:12
appshjkli :化;然後哪個傷了結果Joba在牛棚沒人可以接上來 06/11 00:13
appshjkli :又要叫Mitre之類貨色的撐下去的時候就曉得了 06/11 00:14
appshjkli :等著重現Samll傳奇 06/11 00:15
larusa :什麼球隊會沒事多屯幾個三號四號啊 06/11 00:15
noahlin :連誰會受傷都預測好了喔 06/11 00:16
noahlin :而且用你的標準Lee一定會overpay的啊 還是別簽好了 06/11 00:16
appshjkli :老人容易受傷,這有問題嗎.... 06/11 00:17
appshjkli :AJ,Andy能投到現在都還沒進DL已經是奇蹟了 06/11 00:18
date310164 :簽啦XD 我想看Cliff Lee的比賽.. 06/11 00:18
appshjkli :你總不能要求老人輪值都很健康 06/11 00:19
appshjkli :另外我也沒覺得簽Lee是好事:P,不簽也好阿 06/11 00:19
noahlin :Andy05年之後至少都投到190局 要看衰也不是輪到他 06/11 00:19
ninini :我覺得今年Andy的約不算貴了 06/11 00:19
FlyFreedom :Ally1213表示: 06/11 00:20
appshjkli :喔,你知道當初嗯歪歪為什麼會放棄Pettitte沒續約? 06/11 00:20
noahlin :至於AJB那個約本來就overpay很嚴重每個人都知道 06/11 00:20
noahlin :如果有一年投不到100局就不要簽AJB早就被逐出MLB了 06/11 00:21
appshjkli :老人根本很難預料什麼時候會出狀況,當初KB來就是爛掉 06/11 00:22
appshjkli :喔,你不知道簽AJB跟簽炸彈差不多嗎? 06/11 00:22
larusa :對 老人狀況難預料 三年前根本不該簽MO 今年更別續簽 06/11 00:24
appshjkli :Mariano那時候FA市場沒人可以頂替;農場也沒養出來 06/11 00:25
larusa :所以照你的邏輯 至少也該一年一簽就好啊 06/11 00:26
appshjkli :要是當年市場有個像K-Rod的FA貨在那;那就很難講了 06/11 00:26
appshjkli :Posada也是一樣的道理;要維持競爭力就得簽,因為沒人 06/11 00:27
appshjkli :可以補上缺口;當時FA根本沒好捕手 06/11 00:28
appshjkli :我講了這麼多還聽不懂;那我也懶得再講了╮(╯◇╰)╭ 06/11 00:29
larusa :那還是真難為你了 06/11 00:30
larusa :因為我也沒有意思對發牢騷的人講太多 06/11 00:36
hassanstar :派派的表現現在拿11.5M很合理阿 而且它是一年約耶 06/11 00:42
DDDDing :紐約才不會在乎這點錢,在那邊吵心酸的 06/11 00:43
prince629 :再吵下去 Ally姐就不出來跳舞了!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 06/11 00:49
appshjkli :如果真的不在乎錢,那我們的LF應該是Matt 06/11 01:00
freeover :對於用自己優良表現 而且只簽短約的投手 一直嫌很無 06/11 01:08
freeover :聊~ 年紀大的問題大家都知道 ~ 現金人更知道~ 06/11 01:09
freeover :但為啥現金人還花大錢簽他 因為他值得阿~ 06/11 01:09
adonisXD :我想看Andy在NYY拿300W捏 06/11 01:27
Minamii :NYY當初放棄派派是老闆嫉妒他太帥好嗎...然後我們04 06/11 01:43
externaload :扯K-Rod幹麻? CL都被MO卡死了 要跳針也不是這樣跳的 06/11 01:43
externaload :哪裡跑出來的一日球迷啊 帶回去好嗎 我想大家對你很 06/11 01:43
Minamii :年就被科科了...雖然說派派的手那年的確是爆了 XD 06/11 01:44
sylviehsiang:除非他有老磨牙的肉體... 06/11 01:44
externaload :客氣了 你可以去襪版這樣鬧看看 06/11 01:44
externaload :都給你講就好了啊 你2K10應該也是用嘴巴就玩到WSC吧 06/11 01:46
Minamii :隊長 MO 派派沒有衰退到某種地步 我都捨不得他們走 06/11 01:46
externaload :波波老派MO都被拖下去了 只差沒扯個隊長出來 06/11 01:47
externaload :數據拿不出來用嘴巴看球的喔 你神算啊? 受傷都能預 06/11 01:47
externaload :測的喔? 06/11 01:48
externaload :只有老人會受傷這什麼鬼邏輯啊?? 06/11 01:48
externaload :Grandy 馬鐵 前年的IPK躺DL躺假的啊?? 他們都老人? 06/11 01:49
externaload :Swisher也老人囉? 去年的阿肉也老囉? 06/11 01:50
jayin07 :K-Rod很鳥,即使他是FA也不會簽他 06/11 02:00
jayin07 :年輕歸年輕 但是他速球品質一年比一年差 06/11 02:00
jayin07 :加上讓人害怕的投球機制 06/11 02:01
jayin07 :說老人會受傷也不是空穴來風 06/11 02:02
jayin07 :Jeter保養得宜就不講他 06/11 02:02
jayin07 :捕手本來就是容易受傷、損耗的位置 06/11 02:02
jayin07 :這個長約一簽下就先進了生涯第一次DL 06/11 02:03
jayin07 :Pettitte一直都有舊疾,每年都可以看到他背部緊繃 06/11 02:03
jayin07 :然後跳過先發,去年也有,但是好像不是背 06/11 02:04
jayin07 :洋基本來要讓他休息,但是Pettitte堅持不要 06/11 02:04
jayin07 :幸好最後沒出事 06/11 02:04
jayin07 :今年也出問題了 06/11 02:05
jayin07 :當年把Pettitte送走就是他的背 06/11 02:06
jayin07 :最後也證明洋基正確了半年 06/11 02:06
jayin07 :而且有年輕人受傷不一定是年紀問題 06/11 02:08
b2209187 :真不知道連K-Rod都被說成很鳥?大聯盟很多投手該怎樣 06/11 02:09
b2209187 :談呢...? 06/11 02:09
jayin07 :譬如說Adam Jones守備都很拼-_-,結果常常去撞牆 06/11 02:09
jayin07 :說鳥也太過分了點,我只是表達他是個未爆彈 06/11 02:10
b2209187 :30歲前就有機會300次SV的投手再怎樣都有點實力吧 06/11 02:10
jayin07 :天使自己有銀子可以把他留下來 但是他們不留 06/11 02:10
jayin07 :你看他逐年成績就知道這傢伙狀態一直在下滑 06/11 02:11
jayin07 :Mets一買來小傷痛不斷 06/11 02:12
jayin07 :K-Rod已經不是從前的K-Rod了 06/11 02:13
b2209187 :他今年狀況至少是還OK,且這兩年吃的局數算合理啦 06/11 02:13
b2209187 :但的確以前比現在更有壓制力 06/11 02:15
appshjkli :其實我只是隨便舉個CL而已 06/11 02:18
appshjkli :因為重點不在那:P 06/11 02:19
appshjkli :不過我還是第一次被叫做一日球迷 06/11 02:20
Tukiyomi :K-Rod均速比去年掉了近2mile 不知道是什麼問題 06/11 02:20
appshjkli :反正有人腦袋硬的跟石頭一樣;也不是我能管的:P 06/11 02:22
magicagar :派派這種價格的一年約端出這種表現還被嫌?那到底是要 06/11 02:40
magicagar :怎樣 當初大弟跟Joba還不確定養起來派派這種等級肯簽 06/11 02:41
magicagar :這種價格的短約對NYY多重要耶?更別說今年目前的表現 06/11 02:42
magicagar :每次派派+MO拿下比賽就是爽 這有多大的週邊商業效益 06/11 02:43
magicagar :還有 K-Rod跟MO比起來的確是鳥 MO沒有明顯退化的時候 06/11 02:44
magicagar :就算要多幾M能選擇一定還是選MO 這根本不用考慮的 06/11 02:44
jayin07 :我不覺得錢對洋基是個問題... 06/11 02:44
guest001 :奇怪,現在FA市場可以用12M上下的價格買到一年約的三 06/11 02:47
guest001 :號投手嗎?如果不行一直嫌貴是甚麼道理?? 06/11 02:48
guest001 :還是打算放兩個新秀在投手輪值??要是兩個一起炸保證 06/11 02:49
guest001 :被罵死........ 06/11 02:49
ZMTL :這邊一開始是在討論明年要不要簽吧? 06/11 03:12
ILER :08年不就放兩個新秀一起炸了一段日子嗎= = 06/11 03:56
ILER :五月後就沒看洋基比賽 是不曉得Joba到底變得怎樣 06/11 03:57
stonemonkey :當年還怕RUSH到了呢- -..不過確定至少有1隻練的出來 06/11 03:58
ILER :今年目前累積的數據下來 你說Joba明年要頂派派的位置 06/11 03:58
ILER :打死我都不相信吧= = 06/11 03:58
ILER :IPK當初的球速到底去哪了Orz 完全是我心中的疑問 06/11 03:59
ILER :球探報告不是說有94mph...結果08年的IPK就跟前一年 06/11 04:00
ILER :季末爆炸的Moose一樣... 06/11 04:01
ZMTL :不過無論如何都要給Joba練不然也只是浪費... 06/11 04:01
ILER :樓上還在!! 問一下有Joba的報告嗎? 他究竟怎麼了= = 06/11 04:09
jdtrue :這篇真熱鬧 06/11 06:02
jdtrue :Joba的投球進階數據沒啥問題阿 06/11 06:04
jdtrue :他現在是被超高的BABIP跟hold不住的LOB%害慘 06/11 06:04
jdtrue :57.8的LOB% 要戰他的關鍵時刻軟趴趴就隨便鄉民了 06/11 06:05
jdtrue :至少比起去年 Joba的投球內容絕對是進步的 06/11 06:07
siliver :恩,還是很多人只會看表面啊,嘖嘖. 06/11 07:16
bluedada :app大的意思是...老派沒受傷都是奇蹟啦... 06/11 07:32
bluedada :老派拿勝投也是奇蹟啦 06/11 07:32
lugla2002 :派帥也是神 06/11 08:36
siliver :別講不過人家,就開始講一些幻想的話啦,很難看耶. 06/11 08:36
siliver :Pettitte小傷不斷是事實,這個很多外電都有. 06/11 08:37
siliver :不過我也不覺得,拿11M跟他簽一年約,是很笨的事情. 06/11 08:40
ihsan :又不是年輕的就沒受傷風險 06/11 11:52
ihsan :現金人都不擔心了,難道他會沒想過這些? 06/11 11:53
externaload :app你快舉數據證明老人受傷比例比年輕的高啊 不要只 06/11 11:56
externaload :會出一張嘴 要講大家都會 06/11 11:57
externaload :還是你又要吵可笑的機率論?? 我只能說你高中數學沒 06/11 11:57
externaload :念好 06/11 11:57
siliver :其實樓上看一下這幾年洋基陣中的老人受傷率就知道了 06/11 12:14
siliver :,沒看到Posada,Jeter,A-ROD這幾個沒進過DL的這幾年 06/11 12:14
siliver :陸續進去蹲嗎??一個很常識性的東西居然還要人家提數 06/11 12:15
siliver :據...... 06/11 12:15
Faith1128 :我只知道,去年少了派派,絕對沒有冠軍 06/11 12:45
Faith1128 :今年如果要冠軍,也少不了派派 06/11 12:46
larusa :有些人就算進一次DL或跳過幾場先發 還是比雜魚好的多 06/11 12:47
larusa :另外 年輕的肉體雖然比老人家不容易受傷 但有沒有誇 06/11 12:48
larusa :張到要這樣叫 一開始那位仁兄是針對Andy Pettitte 06/11 12:51
ninini :受傷這種事本來就是聽天由命 不過因為年紀大的 受傷 06/11 12:53
ninini :以後 恢復的風險高所以要仔細評估 06/11 12:54
larusa :當初洋基不要Pettitte是因為Pettitte那時有傷 隔年也 06/11 12:55
larusa :的確炸了 但之後的五年 Pettitte也證明縱使偶而有些 06/11 12:56
larusa :小問題 但問題還不大 那位仁兄還扯什麼去年市場蕭條 06/11 12:57
ninini :不過NJ這種都賭下去 好像沒理由來嫌Pettitte的 06/11 12:57
larusa :簽Pettitte簽貴 不然整隊有哪幾個不是簽貴的 06/11 12:58
larusa :或者說 去年市場上要簽誰? 06/11 13:01
jayin07 :有Randy Wolf...XD 06/11 13:02
jdtrue :也不能這樣講 年紀到Andy那個年紀本來concern就比較 06/11 13:04
jdtrue :多 2003年結束球團就是認定他的背傷有疑慮不續簽 06/11 13:04
jdtrue :隔年果然大爆炸躺了2/3球季 其實這幾年他的背傷一直 06/11 13:05
jdtrue :也偶爾會發作 只是身體夠鐵打都不影響先發 06/11 13:06
jayin07 :現在講都變馬後砲了,前年也是不少人在喊Andy老了lol 06/11 13:07
jdtrue :然後講11.75M/y是真的有點貴 不過一年簽就還好 06/11 13:07
larusa :Randy Wolf要30M/3y 而且長期都在國聯 況且之前有傷 06/11 13:08
larusa :炸更大 真要簽了Randy Wolf 基迷才會幹死吧 06/11 13:09
jayin07 :基本上 給一年就是好約 06/11 13:09
jdtrue :嘛 我只能說Andy沒有現在帳面上好 Wolf則相反 06/11 13:10
jayin07 :今年這個約不會像去年那樣就是個respect 06/11 13:10
jayin07 :就像Rivera、Posada那樣的合約 06/11 13:11
jdtrue :當然Andy比較健康 生涯FIP也比較好 06/11 13:11
kevin0149 :Pettitte的約重點在只跟你簽一年 不是11.75M 06/11 13:11
ninini :同樣情形NJ簽約前看起來是連一年能出賽130場就Jesus 06/11 13:12
kevin0149 :這種等級的投手誰不想跟你撈個養老約 總比拖到後面 06/11 13:12
larusa :這倒是真的 不過去年Pettitte實拿也拿了10.5M了 06/11 13:12
kevin0149 :變成DL常客還佔用球員名單好 06/11 13:13
ninini :Christ了 Pettitte就算03年後有傷還是每年有3左右WAR 06/11 13:13
larusa :老實說 Pettitte是不太會在意有沒有養老約的人 他要 06/11 13:14
larusa :的只是尊重 所以他能投就投 生涯也賺了120M了 06/11 13:15
ZMTL :老人受傷率比年輕人高這種事情還要數據舉證? 06/11 13:40
ZMTL :會說出這種話的生物肯定...XD 06/11 13:46
jayin07 :DL不會佔用active roster啊 06/11 14:14
kindai :嗆老派的實在讓人火大 他都只簽短約還投成這樣 06/11 23:46
kindai :不然想怎樣 沒DL很意外是吧 06/11 23:46
j07242054 :前一年用什麼約跟人家簽 今年不用還喔= = 06/13 23:31