[新聞] Yanks likely going with current pitching

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標題[新聞] Yanks likely going with current pitching

時間Tue Dec 21 11:13:10 2010

1.先發前三個是 CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Phil Hughes, 2.另外兩個從農場補 & 等 Andy Pettitte (文章中看起來不太樂觀) 農場選擇包含 Ivan Nova, 還有 Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, Hector Noesi, Manny Banuelos 之一也有可能 3.Joba Chamberlain 不會回先發 4.目前還找不到誰值得拿 Jesus Montero 交易 5.Felix Hernandez 不可能被交易 http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5938789 Yanks likely going with current pitching NEW YORK -- Having finished second, or maybe third, in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes, the Yankees are prepared to go into the 2011 season with a pitching rotation of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes , with the remaining spots filled out by youngsters, many of whom have never pitched above the Triple-A level. "I'm not saying I want to do it," general manager Brian Cashman said in a telephone conversation Monday morning, "but I may have to do it." Cashman is operating under the assumption that Andy Pettitte, back home in Deer, Park, Texas, following a an excellent season cut short by a groin injury, will not be returning for a 17th major league season. "If we get Pettitte back, so much the better," Cashman said. "But I'm not waiting for him. He told me not to." With Lee having signed with the Phillies, Pettitte mulling retirement and Zack Greinke being traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, the pickings are slim among available starting pitchers -- with the exception of Carl Pavano, a free agent whose disastrous first Yankees tenure rules out the possibility of a second. Cashman acknowledged his team could use a major league ready starter as well as another arm in the bullpen but seemed pessimistic about the chances of getting one before Opening Day. "Could I go out and get a starter? Yes, I could. But there's just not much out there," Cashman said. "I have March, April, May, June and July, really, to come up with someone." Cashman also ruled out, although not absolutely, the possibility the Yankees might include catching prospect Jesus Montero in a trade for a front-line starter now that the Yankees have signed Russell Martin to assume every-day catching duties. "There's just nobody out there I would consider trading Montero for," Cashman said. Asked if that included Seattle Mariners ace Felix Hernandez, Cashman said, "That ain't happening." So heading into spring training, Cashman said the Yankees would try to cull two starters from a young crop that includes Ivan Nova, who is virtually assured a spot in the 2011 rotation, as well as right-handers Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, Hector Noesi and left-hander Manny Banuelos. Of the six, only Nova has pitched at the major league level, appearing in 10 games the second half of last season (seven starts), and compiling a 1-2 record and 4.50 ERA but displaying enough stuff and poise that the Yankees are counting on him to fill one of the starting spots. None of the others has pitched at a higher level than Double-A, and Banuelos and Betances, who had ligament reinforcement surgery in 2009, spent last season in Class A ball. "We have 10 prospects starting from Double-A on up that our organization can choose from," Cashman said. The GM ruled out a return to the rotation for Joba Chamberlain, who along with David Robertson will compete for the job as eighth-inning set-up man vacated when Kerry Wood became a free agent. Over the weekend, Wood signed a contract to return to the Chicago Cubs. Cashman declined to say whether he was interested in free agent right-hander Freddy Garcia. According to a report, the Yankees asked for the medicals on the 35-year-old Garcia, who was 12-6 with a 4.64 ERA for the White Sox in 2010. "We ask for the medical records on every free agent," Cashman said. So for now, the Yankees are standing pat. "In the past, we might have gone out and traded away prospects just to get someone in here," Cashman said. "But realistically, I have until July to get this solved." --

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推 shihmis: 剛樓上也是06/13 16:51

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推 devilsky :Brackman現在狀況到底是怎樣 12/21 11:14

推 ckbaboon :派派回來的機率大概不高~有點慘 12/21 11:15

推 GDBS :Brackman可以上了？！ 12/21 11:15

推 YHank :一個200M的球隊有兩個SP從農場挖，這是哪招...... 12/21 11:17

推 jackselina :PAYROLL都綁死了 CC逃脫的機率也因為鎂不值錢而變高 12/21 11:20

推 poning :隔壁的Lester跟Buchholz不也是自家農場出來的 12/21 11:22

推 poning :從農場找先發有這麼怪嗎我想你應該會說人家talent 12/21 11:24

→ poning :比較好不過從農場找個五號出來不也算好事 12/21 11:26

推 ckl1012 :幾個大約和養老約把Payroll吃的差不多只能期待小將. 12/21 11:31

推 prereality :收成看看也不錯,說不定有大驚奇 12/21 11:34

推 steven11230 :QQ直接期待2012 12/21 11:36

推 siliver :球隊都要從FA挖先發的話,那農場是擺來好看的嗎@@? 12/21 11:43

→ appshjkli :擺來交易用的。 12/21 11:44

推 aaps :可以從第四點推測以下兩點嗎 1.Montero不是非賣品 12/21 11:49

→ aaps :2.對Martin可否蹲捕感到樂觀 12/21 11:49

→ appshjkli :本來就不是非賣品阿,有誰說是非賣品了？ 12/21 11:52

推 jackselina :相對於5號SP 我們可是可能沒捕手可用的窘境當然謹慎 12/21 11:54

推 Sechslee :AAA都還沒上的真的要拉上來死? 12/21 11:55

推 Brackman :變速球看來很可能練不起來,變成RP的機率比較高... 12/21 11:56

推 duo131 :美金變不值錢對球員真的有差嗎?他們大部分人又不用換 12/21 12:05

推 jackselina :我是說CC看另一個CC EDGE LEE拿那種約也會心動吧~~~ 12/21 12:07

→ jackselina :何況NYY更沒有失去CC的空間了 12/21 12:07

推 dp44 :對Brackman沒什麼期待了~.~ 12/21 12:07

推 asd25 :可憐的3 12/21 12:26

推 qazpoi :我如果是現金人我就跟CC講好要是他真的跳脫 NYY 12/21 12:37

→ qazpoi :一定不簽回來寧可爛一年也不簽就賭他拿不到更大約 12/21 12:37

→ qazpoi :看他是要留下一起打拼還是要一起死 12/21 12:38

推 jackselina :所以現金人才會是GM 12/21 12:39

推 jaysont :好險你不是現金人 12/21 12:39

→ Tornadola :膝蓋開刀過不知有沒有影響? 12/21 12:40

推 decorum :Petro, come to daddy! :-) 12/21 12:41

推 jackselina :這是個有人用12.5M BUYOUT的年代 12/21 12:41

→ decorum :Pedro, ... 12/21 12:41

→ kthnuc :義大利人都可以忍受了為什麼不能讓耶穌慢慢長@@ 12/21 12:43

→ chihlanren :CC不簽回來只要爛一年嗎? '想清楚再推文你可以不必 12/21 12:46

推 j094097 :還好你不是 12/21 13:27

推 lef1986 :還好你只是 12/21 13:36

推 yichenglee : 鄉民一個 12/21 14:20

推 meier0112 :David Phelps被遺忘了 > < 12/21 14:29

推 meier0112 :Brackman 沒時間慢慢練了, 當RP上MLB較可能 12/21 14:32

推 GDBS :Phelps真的很少被人提起. Brackman當RP就不能補輪值 12/21 14:56

推 waderu :儉樸打球有很難嗎? 12/21 14:57

推 sunstart :只希望四五號都由農場補的話不要重演08年的悲劇 12/21 15:00

推 fishtom :...爛一年??不好意思我們球迷對於球隊爛一年沒興趣 12/21 15:47

→ fishtom :光看AJ投就快看不下去了... 還爛一年勒 12/21 15:47

推 iamckman :推:光看AJ投就快看不下去了... 還爛一年勒 XD 12/21 17:43

推 kobejo4 :SP農場挖是沒啥問題但是好像沒有大物耶? 12/21 17:57

推 PlusP :CC只要不要受傷,一跳出合約,新約起碼100m/5y起跳 12/21 18:20

→ PlusP :比洋基剩餘的約好,且爛一年而已嗎?AJ or Hughes變成 12/21 18:22

→ PlusP :扛Ace的腳色...而下一個從FA找到Ace等級的.有的等了 12/21 18:23

推 MontaEllis8 :為什麼Joba先發被拔掉了啦哭哭 12/21 18:32

推 wangfan3 :義大利人是指披薩先生嗎 12/21 19:02

推 s80454 :qazpoi專長是搞笑? 12/21 19:20

推 rayen :Joba已經被定位成牛棚了嗎 12/21 19:45

推 a45806722 :看推文好像洋基現在狀況.....CC想要跳脫合約喔!? 12/21 19:58

→ a45806722 :sor 雖然看比賽很久但對內部沒有研究很深 12/21 19:59

→ a45806722 :如果有大大有空可以的話跟我講一下多謝: ) 12/21 19:59

推 kiuo :CC跳脫合約是明年的事,他是說他不會跳,不過今年FA 12/21 20:14

→ kiuo :瘋狂到這種程度,幾乎沒人會相信他真的不會跳 12/21 20:14

推 notmuchmoney:從農場拉4號真的比Joba回先發好嗎? 還是說這只是現金 12/21 20:53

→ notmuchmoney:人在策劃如何搶別人之前先放個風聲.... 12/21 20:54

推 KusoPvt :100m/5y比剩餘的約好? 我洨了 12/21 21:06

推 PinChunH :不是每年市場行情都這樣= = CC想拿到更優的很難吧= = 12/21 21:08

推 externaload :CC現在可不是簽大約那年的28歲而已了哪可能逃脫出去 12/21 21:41

→ externaload :還能簽到每年20M起跳說笑嗎 12/21 21:42

→ OoyaoO :31歲的Lee可以在NYY外的地方拿到120M/6Y以上的約 12/21 21:44

→ OoyaoO :那CC為什麼不行？ 12/21 21:44

→ larusa :CC的之前的優勢是年輕穩定剛好又夠殺沒有釀酒人時 12/21 21:52

→ larusa :期的瘋狂演出他的價碼起碼會減掉1-2成這兩年他的 12/21 21:53

推 larusa :表現當然夠穩定對洋基來說也足夠贏球了但31歲的 12/21 21:57

→ larusa :CC 願意給他6年約我想可能除了洋基很難有其他球 12/21 21:59

→ larusa :隊願意出當然若明年又是瘋狂的一年那就另當別論 12/21 21:59

→ searoar :CC跳洋基也一定要買單沒什麼好論的 12/21 22:13

推 dp44 :我相信CC是個有情有意的胖子-.- 12/21 22:21

→ OoyaoO :瘋狂？你有看CC和Lee這兩年的成績嗎？不管是ERA+ 12/21 22:22

→ OoyaoO :還是局數CC都勝過Lee耶 CC還更年輕 Lee拿得到的 12/21 22:22

→ OoyaoO :CC有什麼理由拿不到？ 12/21 22:23

推 sd5566 :不管怎樣簽5樂透SP 都沒關係我只要今年總冠軍就好 12/21 22:26

→ OoyaoO :都有NYY外的球隊願意給大約買Lee的32～37歲了 12/21 22:29

→ OoyaoO :他如果跳脫明年FA還比現在Lee年輕近兩歲耶 12/21 22:30

推 freeover :贊同O大~ CC成績絕對不比LEE差.. 若跳脫只有更高... 12/21 22:37

→ freeover :就算今年約都有點太過瘋狂.. 但年數一定可以延長 12/21 22:40

推 l06 :CC會跳的機率很高洋基再買單的機率也不小 12/21 22:42

→ freeover :當然CC會不會跳還難說.. 他還不至於像AROD那年.. 12/21 22:42

→ freeover :根本是非地球人表現..不過他也不會要求那種約就是了. 12/21 22:43

推 lef1986 :C.C.更年輕更耐操且已證明可殺美東 12/21 22:45

推 notmuchmoney:不跳>>4年保證約跳脫>>6年保證約跳脫的誘因還好... 12/21 23:03

推 larusa :這兩年進階數據看起來是Lee稍優於CC 但差距不大 12/21 23:14

→ larusa :吃局數的品質兩人也差不多這兩年Lee平均7.16IP/場 12/21 23:14

→ asdfzx :CC光是耐操這點就是超值了,Ace又耐操全聯盟有幾隻?我 12/21 23:15

→ asdfzx :只想到Doc和CC... 12/21 23:16

→ larusa :CC 6.87IP/場老實說光就拿CYA後的成績來看我個 12/21 23:18

→ larusa :人認為Lee是稍微比CC要好的但差距真的不大 12/21 23:18

→ larusa :當然只要CC明年有跟過去這段時間差不多水準的演出 12/21 23:20

→ larusa :就算他跳脫合約要拿到一張5年+ 100M以上的合約還是 12/21 23:20

推 PlusP :CC價碼掉一兩成???若11年他無病無痛表現正常 12/21 23:22

推 GDBS :CC剩下的約是92M/4y 要跳得話100M/5Y似乎不太夠就是 12/21 23:22

→ larusa :沒什麼大問題但我認為他穩穩的投到35歲約滿再去 12/21 23:22

→ PlusP :然後最後沒跳脫,那真的謝天謝地... 12/21 23:23

→ larusa :拼一張養老約也不會比較差如果他有機會挑戰300W 12/21 23:23

推 four5 :king : 我也很耐操還很耐斯 12/21 23:23

→ PlusP :洋基需要他比他需要洋基多太多了 12/21 23:24

→ PlusP :今年沒簽到Lee就有人開始悲觀,明年CC要是跳 12/21 23:25

推 purpleveil :光憑樓上一點就不用你在個人認為什麼LEE比CC好一點點 12/21 23:25

→ PlusP :GM會放才怪...這跟2008年缺ACE情況不也一樣 12/21 23:25

→ purpleveil :他一旦跳脫合約簽回來就是絕對不只現在的價和長度 12/21 23:26

推 lef1986 :只挑有利平均局數說 Lee這兩年少先發六場怎麼不說 12/21 23:26

→ PlusP :也不要以為只有洋基有錢,沒看到國民這幾年瘋狂的出價 12/21 23:26

推 larusa :所以CC跳 Cashman只好買單萬一他明年又爆衝是真 12/21 23:26

→ larusa :的有可能再拿到另一張6~7年 150M上下的約的 12/21 23:27

→ PlusP :還有突然殺出搶Lee的費城人嗎?加上遊騎兵出價也不輸 12/21 23:27

→ PlusP :洋基,你不要...Ace的市場大的很,且CC也才三十初 12/21 23:28

推 kai721114 :需要到爆衝嗎?再來個200局 era 3.8 新約說不定翻天了 12/21 23:34

→ kai721114 :還是這樣的成績就算暴衝了? 12/21 23:35

推 larusa :我不相信你投得不像Ace 會拿到頂級的Ace約看看隔壁 12/21 23:40

→ larusa :的北極過去5年80-42 3.92 ERA+ 117 拿到的是68/4 12/21 23:41

→ larusa :CC投那種成績大概連一年20M都拿不到所以現在是要 12/21 23:42

→ larusa :希望他明年先投差一點讓他不要真的跳脫合約? 12/21 23:43

推 sd5566 :誰叫北極不來洋基怪我囉 12/21 23:44

→ OoyaoO :CC過去五年是3.13 141ERA+耶搞清楚差別好不好 12/21 23:45

→ OoyaoO :比Lee好比Lee年輕快2歲拿不到跟Lee一樣或更好的約? 12/21 23:47

推 kai721114 :你要不要看看CC前五年成績? 12/21 23:48

推 larusa :有人說200局 era3.8 新約說不定翻天我只是拿北極當 12/21 23:50

→ larusa :例子說明並不會翻天當然CC過去的成績是比北極好 12/21 23:50

→ larusa :某O如果要亂入請搞清楚我再回應誰 12/21 23:51

推 kai721114 :嘿我可不是說平均200 3.8阿... 12/21 23:52

推 larusa :你認為突然的成績衰退不會有影響？ 12/21 23:53

→ searoar :CC衰退明年洋基還要玩嗎 12/21 23:55

推 kai721114 :會有影響到拿不到大約? 再翻翻CC近年的成績吧 12/21 23:56

推 larusa :如果CC衰退到你說的那種成績他還能拿到Lee今年可能 12/22 00:00

→ larusa :拿到的最大張合約那只有一種可能市場上實在太缺 12/22 00:01

→ larusa :好投手了 12/22 00:02

推 purpleveil :如果CC今年200+3.8 加上前五年的成績拿不到才有鬼 12/22 00:08

→ purpleveil :lee到TEX後丟了快110局拿到的可是快4的era... 12/22 00:10

推 larusa :Lee季後的表現呢自動跳過？ 12/22 00:15

→ kai721114 :看季後賽喔? 那阿肉跟松井怎麼辦... 12/22 00:19

→ purpleveil :你很愛扯lee... 全天下都知道他季後殺很大 12/22 00:19

→ purpleveil :要不要去看看CC去年季後的成績？這種短期成績頂多 12/22 00:20

推 jayin07 :人啊，總是記得差的。 12/22 00:23

→ purpleveil :加進來參考跟全年度的貢獻值差的遠了 12/22 00:23

推 kai721114 :我特地挑一正一反的例子阿XDD 12/22 00:25

→ OoyaoO :看季後賽這種短期數據的意義又不大 12/22 00:28

推 NIKE74731 :現在就怕開季的時候輪值後段都撐不久牛棚天天提早上 12/22 00:35

→ NIKE74731 :班然後炸光光 12/22 00:35

→ searoar :Lee世界冠軍系列的表現呢自動跳過？ 12/22 00:36

推 larusa :沒有季賽成績的支持當然季後賽的成績意義不大 12/22 00:36

推 purpleveil :樓上現在在講什麼..... 12/22 00:38

→ larusa :Lee WS的成績還是比CC好上一截啊 :p 12/22 00:38

→ larusa :在說Matsui Renteria這種選手的情況 12/22 00:39

推 roxiang :兩個世界大賽的MVP 不過好像沒有MVP等級的待遇..XD 12/22 01:22

推 kiuo :WS MVP只對拿到WS的球隊有意義,本來就不是能拿來抬價 12/22 01:29

推 YHank :我的確沒講清楚，從農場挖是沒差，像是Hughes就無所 12/22 02:03

→ YHank :謂，但是一支200M的球隊要從農場挖兩個幾乎沒有保障 12/22 02:04

→ YHank :的兩個人來填SP的洞....會不會太扯了點= =a 12/22 02:04

→ appshjkli :扯？去看看近幾年到底有多少農場投手上來投過好嗎？ 12/22 02:10

→ jdtrue :若看去年農場2A~3A的SP表現比我們有資格挖小朋友上 12/22 06:55

→ jdtrue :來補輪值的球隊還真的沒幾隊呢呵呵 12/22 06:56

推 siliver :沒有保障??看來很多農場文是沒在看就是了...... 12/22 07:53

推 jackselina :隔壁的CC EDGE 都拿得到那種約了正牌CC拿不到? 12/22 08:41

推 jerrykk :洋基農場有沒有保障開季就知道你們兩邊不用在那邊吵 12/24 10:36