※ 引述《PatsyGallagh (再一次...用力)》之銘言：
: 看看一些國外歌迷對頭子吉他的看法：
: @ James Dean Bradfield (Manics)is a better guitarist than Noel Gallagher.
: That's a fact, not an opinion.
: I think Noel is a decent guitarist who's made some great guitar solos in the
: past.
: @ I think this is unfair...since
: James Dean Bradfield is naturally right handed
: Noel Gallagher is, at the end of the day, a left handed person who had to
: learn right handed
: you try and learn guitar like that...its bloody hard, even just learning it
: normally, never mind with your weaker side!!
: (這個歌迷說想想 Noel 是左撇子卻學著用右手來彈吉他...這一點還滿不簡單的哩
: 對哦不知道這樣“顛倒”的學習對 Noel 來說到底是怎樣呢...)
其實頭子兩手都可以彈....
我也看過他拿左手琴談過......
: @ Noel is no (Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page )but he is more of a song writer and
: rhythm guitarist than an out and out solo player. He said in Q once that
: Gem and Andy are actually far better guitar players than him but I still
: havent really heard anything from Gem to prove he is any better than Noel
: He hasnt written a solo like "Hotel California " recently has he?????
: (Noel 和大師級的吉他手當然沒得比，他比較像是個[用吉他來創作]的寫歌人
: 以及節奏吉他手。這個歌迷還疑問起 Gem 了，雖然說 Noel 一直說 Gem 和 Andy
: 比他強很多，但是 Gem 好像還沒表現出來？)
: @ Techinically Noel isn't brilliant, but the way he puts such simple things
: and little tricks together shows a great understanding of the Guitar and of
: his own abillity, on Ability vs results, Noel is possibly the best ever,
: ie Hendrix was great, but did he play within him self?
: (技巧上 Noel 根本不算哪根蔥，但是他能夠找出自己的方式把極簡單的東西和一些
: 小小的技巧融合在一起，表現出對吉他這項樂器的了解還有對自己能力的了解,
: 就呈現的整體效果來說，Noel 可能是最棒的。)
: @ why does the way he learned have anythin to do with it? yeah, guitar
: learnin/playin is hard in itself but its not like he was FORCED into playing
: the way he does. thats wrong. noel would have learnt the most comfortable way
: cuz anythin else is just stupid...unless he was copyin lennon which wouldnt
: surprise me.
: as for his ability its pretty standard. not good, not bad. hes good at making
: simple stuff sound effective. take for example the "3 note solo" on scyho.
: effective but rediculously easy.
: oh yeah, by the way, i thought paul weller played lead guitar on champagne
: supernova. i like the way someone credited on of THE BEST guitar parts
: oasis have to noel when it was someone else! thats funny. i dunno i could
: be wrong.
: (這位歌迷首先質疑其實左撇子學吉他應該也是“自然”的選擇正常的吉他把位
: Noel 應該不會強迫自己用不舒服的姿勢學琴，除非他刻意和 Lennon 一樣
: [原來 Lennon 也是左撇子學吉他哦！？]
: 另外他認為頭子吉他還過得去，不特好也不特壞，不過倒真是會用簡單的東西
: 達到效果，他舉例像 SCYHO 的“三音符 solo”雖然和整首歌滿搭調的
: 但是也簡單的太誇張了吧
: 最後他疑問 Champagne Supernova 的 solo 到底是不是 Paul Weller 彈的
: 因為他常聽歌迷讚美這首歌的 solo，似乎是美麗的誤會？)
沒錯....應該說在最長的那一段solo的部分....
到了約4分46秒的那一個部分....
就變成Paul Weller 彈的.....
雖然MTV中是頭子彈的...
不過....那個solo一個人也可以彈得出來啦.....嗯嗯...
: @ not a great guitarist and hes never made out to be one, been playing guitar
: for a year and a half now and i can do most of his solo's so they cant be
: that hard although the live forever solo is one of the best guitar solo's
: ever in my book
: (這位歌迷說他自己學吉他才一年半就會彈大部分 Oasis 的 solo
: 所以就高難度來講，Noel 從來不是個棒的吉他手。
: 不過他倒是說 Live Forever 的 solo 是他自己覺得最棒的之一)
這一首歌.....也有進入英國某雜誌票選的百大solo歌曲之列....
是oasis歌曲裡面在該排行中最高的歌曲....
: @ What about the jam at the end of "gas panic" all Noel is doing is using his
: "FLANGER" pedal and his reverb & feedback to make his favoured sound
: ( In "Roll it over" and "Little by little" he uses a very similar sound.
: But it isnt hard to do in anyway at all (Sounds good though!!)
: I think even Noel would admit when it comes to lead guitar playing he is
: not even in the same league as his idols (Dave gilmour, Jimmy page etc)
: (這位歌迷說明 Noel 很愛某種特定的效果，在數首歌中都有用到
: 但其實那是一種做起來還滿簡單的效果，只不過聽起來不錯！
: 還有他認為即使 Noel 也不會把自己放到和那些偶像吉他手一樣的高度吧)
: @ i don't think i'd be surprised. noel's not a great guitarist. he's very good
: in several areas, his touch is fantastic, he has an excellent vibrato, and
: excellent pitch. that's why he pulls off those unison bends so well that
: you rarely hear from other guitarists. And yes, paul weller only handles
: lead on the second four bars of the supernova solo. listen for the tone,
: his is very distinctive.
: please don't mention the jam on gas panic as great guitar. someone really
: needs to hear a little stevie ray i'm afraid. sliding a bottleneck up and
: down the neck randomly and hitting random strings is hardly great guitar.
: (哦這位歌迷提到 Noel 當然不是個偉大的吉他手，但是在幾個領域他彈得還滿好的
: 不過有些是吉他的術語，我就不十分清楚該怎麼翻譯了...
: touch =?
指他彈琴的力道.....事實上吉他彈奏的時候....
雙手的力道也會影響音色.....
: vibrato =?
指顫音....最簡單最明顯的可以去看T&T現場....
在進入acquiesce之前的幾秒鐘....
可以看到頭子的左手按著弦在抖.....
修飾的幾本技巧....
: pitch =?
: munison bends =?
^^^^^^^^ 應該是unison...^^
上面這兩個我也不太懂....不過大概是贊同頭子的編曲能力吧....
: 另外他還說要聽真正好的 jam 要去聽 Stevie Ray 的;)
: @ Hm, I don't get it. How did you come up with James B? Are you Manics fan?
: Second, just cuz somebody knows all Noel's playing doesn't make him a bad
: player. My brother can do all of Oasis, 90% of Manics, all of the Beatles
: without looking at the notes, just by listening. It says nothing about the
: musicians. The Beatles have tons of 2 chord songs but they are still one of
: the best bands and their songs are tops. I don't like these kinds of
: discussions. I want this deleted...LOL
: Anyways, James B respects Noel greatly and...Yea! When he was asked about
: the best gig he was ever @, he said the Main Road
: (呵這位歌迷首先不瞭為什麼「狂街傳教士」的吉他手會被扯進來？
: 再來他覺得有人會彈 Noel 全部的 solo 也不代表他就是個爛的吉他手吧
: 他舉例他兄弟會彈 Oasis 的全部、Manics 的百分之九十，披頭的全部
: 都沒看譜完全用聽的抓，可是這又能幫以上三個團的樂手證明什麼？
: 披頭有一堆只有兩個和絃的歌但他們仍然是偉大的樂團，他們的歌還是超棒的啊;)
: @ According to Noel the reason they wont be playing (Probably) All in the Mind
: Live is because neither Gem or Noel could reproduce the solo that
: Johnny Marr done.
: (這不知是真是假，這位歌迷說他聽 Noel 說過 Oasis 現場之所以不表演
: Probably All in the Mind 這首歌是因為不管是 Gem 或 Andy 沒辦法
: 再現 Johnny Marr 於專輯中跨刀彈的 solo？？？)
: @ Several important things:
: The melodic or musical value of a solo has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with
: the technical ability and skill required to play it.
: Unison bends are not difficult to play AT ALL.
: Noel has never done anything I would consider even remotely challenging.
: This is not to imply that he is a bad guitarist, but simply that he is not
: great. This has nothing to do with how he is as a writer and a musician,
: but is rather an unbiased analysis based on observation.
: (我覺得他綠字部分說得滿好的：
: 「solo [在歌曲裡的]的旋律性或音樂性價值和彈奏所需的技巧和能力一點關係也沒有。」
: 他覺得 Noel 基本上沒做過什麼有“挑戰性”的吉他功夫，
: 這並不代表他是個不好的吉他手，只不過不是棒的吉他手罷了。)
: @ to whoever asked if hendrix playd within himself...
: of corse he did he plays with more emotion than anyone.
: noel aint a great player if u want great tecnical players then listen to
: yngwie malmsteen.steve vai.joe satriani etc.. but id rather listen to noel
: anyday cos they bore fuk outa me
: (;))
: @ fool on the hill you are completely right all these guitarist like satriani,
: and malmsteen get shoved in my face constantly, and i'm like who cares.
: They may play very complex guitar parts, but they can't write songs,
: they're just boring as fuck. Thats why I like page and kirk hammett, they
: incorporate their guitar playing into their songs. Its also the reason i
: like noel, hes a songwriter first and foremost, hes not a shredder.
: Noel Gallagher is a very good guitarist hes doing a damn sight better
: than all the guitarists that are slating him on this board...
: i'd call it jealousy
: (這位歌迷覺得他比較佩服能把吉他活用到歌曲創作的人，
: 光是複雜的吉他技巧會讓他感到無聊...)
: Cheers!
: Patsy "Gallagher"
附帶再說一點....
我個人覺得....音樂就是音樂.....
技巧並不代表音樂.....
就像是Joe Satriani(前幾篇我稱之為佛的人...)
她的吉他技巧真的是出神入化...
但是...他卻公開表示他覺得John Lennon的solo很恐怖.....
他寫不出那種solo......
oasis終究會被一些聽技巧派的人歸類於沒有技巧的團....
不過...愛當井底之蛙....就去當吧....
沒有看清音樂的本質.....
和一個會談吉他的機器人....沒什麼兩樣....
只是差別在人彈有時會出錯而已.....嗯...
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