Pairing Exum and Oladipo Is No-Brainer for or

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標題Pairing Exum and Oladipo Is No-Brainer for or

時間Sat May 31 14:34:00 2014

Pairing Dante Exum and Victor Oladipo Is No-Brainer for Orlando Magic http://ppt.cc/kiCy For many teams on draft night, there's an internal struggle of selecting the best player available or finding the best fit. That might not be an issue for the Orlando Magic if they hone in on Dante Exum. 在選秀日當天，或許很多球隊需要想誰在是最值得的、誰才是最適合的... 對我魔來說，沒有此困擾。假如我們的選擇是---Dante Exum。 The Australian point guard prospect may not be as exposed as some of his peers, but he doesn't seem to have very many areas of weakness. 這位澳洲的控衛，或許在同層級、同年齡層的對手中，沒有曝露缺點。但事情似乎不是大家擔心的那樣，因為她是天生的好手，真的沒有很多的明顯弱點。 Let's allow Jonathan Tjarks of SB Nation to introduce you to the young guard who should be a lock for a top-five pick: Exum is the son of Cecil Exum, an American who played at UNC in the early 1980s before a professional career in Australia. Dante, his oldest son, is a product of the Australian Institute of Sport, a year-round academy dedicated to producing Olympic athletes. In that sense, he is the best of both worlds, a fundamentally-sound international player with American-type athleticism. Unlike Monta Ellis, he really does have it all. At 6'6 and 190 pounds with a 6'9 wingspan, Exum has elite size and athleticism for a combo guard. He's a smooth player with a lightning-quick first step who gets wherever he wants to go on the floor fairly easily. It's essentially impossible to stay in front of him in the open court. 某個評論家說: D.Exum是Cecil Exum的兒子，這位大叔在80年代早期在UNC打球，之後再澳洲職業聯賽打球。 Dante Exum是他的大兒子，有著奧林匹亞等級的運動能力。是典型美國運動員型的國際選手(應該是指受到美國似的訓練方式)。 6'6的身高、190磅外加6'9的臂長，以一個雙能衛來說Exum擁有絕佳的身材加上運動能力。他還有很棒的協調性及很快的第一步，幾乎不可能有人能擋下他在開放式進攻中。 On paper, Exum has everything you want: size, speed, length and a basketball pedigree. On video, he puts all of that to use. Exum weaves his way to the rim with ease, attacking well by using smart angles in addition to his natural gifts. Sometimes you have to remind yourself that you're watching a 17- or 18-year-old kid and not a seasoned player. It's a little scary how polished he is and how well he sees the floor, both for his own driving lanes and for his teammates. 假如我們去具體化的話，就是他什麼都有: 身材、速度、長度、籃球背景、淵源。影片中、他很會善用他的天生能力，晃一下就輕鬆的攻擊籃框，聰明的運用運動天賦就可以的過人。當你看到這些事情發生在一個17~18歲的球員時，真的會很吃驚。影片:http://ppt.cc/sQNQ Exum's size and natural scoring instincts have raised some questions about what position he plays, but it might not really matter all the much. For what it's worth, Exum sees himself as a point guard, as he recently told Bleacher Report's Jonathan Wasserman: Exum told me at the NBA combine that he absolutely wants that ball as a point guard. Just imagine this type of size, athleticism and playmaking skill at that position. If it turns out that his strengths are able to translate and his shooting continues to improve, that would likely make him the focal point of every opposing defensive scheme—the guy opponents have to specifically game-plan for in order to neutralize the mismatch he presents. And that usually means sacrificing elsewhere. Exum的身材跟他天生的得分能力讓很多開始討論他的到底適合打什麼位置，但這似乎不是這麼重要。 Exum把自己當成控球後衛。並且在體測時說:他覺得自己是個控球後衛。想想看當控球後衛有這種體型、運動能力、製造空檔的能力。只要他持續加強他的強項-轉換快攻、以及增強他的投射能力，那他絕對是對手防守的重點人物，並且對方可能改變比賽策略，利用錯位防守特別去防守他。 It's not hard to see Exum fulfilling a role similar to the one Brandon Roy played in Portland as a ball dominant guard with size that can float between both spots. While that might not work with every team, particularly those that already have aggressive scorers at the point, it's a perfect fit for the Orlando Magic, who are sitting pretty at pick No. 4. Exum可能會像Roy在阿拓那樣，當個高大的控球者，但這不是每個球隊都可以這樣玩的，尤其是已經擁有得分欲望很強的控球後衛，但在魔術陣容來說，是非常適合。 http://ppt.cc/AE8U 還有一小段語音評論。 Last year's first-round pick, Victor Oladipo, is an interesting guard in his own right. It would seem that over time, despite playing a good deal of point throughout his rookie season, Oladipo will transform into more of a natural 2 along the lines of Dwyane Wade, who also started his career playing the 1. That should fit in well with Exum, as the two players can swap responsibilities offensively while causing nightmares on the other end. There's a formula to follow here. Just look at Phoenix Suns guards Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe, two slashing "combo guards" who are bulldogs on the ball defensively. A backcourt of Exum and Oladipo should be able to apply a similar amount of ball pressure while also wreaking havoc in passing lanes. There wouldn't be many backcourts more explosive than that one. 去年我魔用第一輪選了ola，類似wade的發展模式，先練了一年的控球，然後轉回她比較適合的得分後衛。這樣的訓練剛好跟Exum是絕配。當兩個球員可以互相分擔進攻、分球的責任。太陽隊的抓雞雞跟佈雷手就是很很棒的前例。而且ola+Exum的組合是更具有威脅性的... Earlier this year, Exum told Jared Zwerling of Bleacher Report why it could work: They’re (Orlando) having some point guard problems and they’re trying to get Victor Oladipo into the point guard. Also, having a good relationship with Victor, I think that would be a good fit. He could kind of mentor me a bit coming into the point guard. 在年初的時候，Exum告訴BP的記者: 魔術需要解決控球後衛這個點，所以不斷嘗試訓練ola成為一個控球。並且說跟ola還算蠻麻吉，可以跟ola討論很多控衛的事情，很適合魔術隊的陣容。 While drafting Exum might put Jameer Nelson and Arron Afflalo in difficult situations, the two veterans aren't likely to have big roles on a rebuilding roster anyhow, particular Nelson. Afflalo played some 3 this year in smaller lineups, and so it's not hard to imagine him doing it again next year if Exum is selected. 當魔術選了Exum，那二神跟AA的位置就很尷尬了。這兩位對於在重建中的球隊，腳色相對較低，尤其是二神。ＡＡ在選了Exum後還可以在小球陣容中充當SF的位置。 With the possible exception of Andrew Wiggins, Exum probably represents the biggest personnel need. Oladipo probably shouldn't be handling the ball and initiating the offense for the majority of the game, and there are productive players at the positions some of the other top prospects could potentially occupy. Duke forward Jabari Parker seems to have a lot in common with Tobias Harris, for example, and Nikola Vucevic is one of the most underrated centers in the game, likely taking off some of the shine with Joel Embiid. But is it smart to draft a guard with such a high pick, especially when it's possible there will be a franchise quality big man on the board? You can look at it in one of two ways. Either you can devalue the position because the market is saturated with great point guards, or you can say it's a point-guard-dominated league and that your team will be at a disadvantage every night without a good two-way player at that position. Either way, it's hard to deny Exum's talent. In nine games at the U-19 World Championships, Exum posted averages of 18.2 points, 3.8 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.7 steals and 7.1 free-throw attempts in just 29 minutes a game. Obviously, that's not a huge sample size, but neither is the NCAA tournament. 比起Wig，Exum比較像對症下藥的選秀方式，他能補足ola在控球上的問題，而Parker呢，隊上已經有類似的球員 Harris了，而Embiib呢? 隊上也有一個被嚴重低估的中鋒VV，他可能會降低Embiib的風采。但還是必須考慮當檯面上還有優質大隻佬，你選擇一個後衛，還用這麼高順位，這是否是明智的選擇呢?(很難有個答案) 我們可以從不同角度看同一件事，或許說市場上已經有許多優秀的控衛，所以獨特性降低繼而去降低這個位置的價值；或著說這是個控衛宰制聯盟的時代，當我們沒有這種雙能衛，球隊很難更往前走....，而去增加這個位置的價值。總之，真的很難拒絕Exum這種頂級的天分，在U19的比賽中平均18.2分3.8助攻3.6籃板 1.7抄截外加7.1次的罰球數在29分鐘。或許這不是很大的樣本數，但NCAA的錦標賽，不是也是如此嗎?? If there's one big concern with pairing Exum and Oladipo, it's a potential lack of shooting. Although Exum has appeared to have added weight to his frame and improved his jumper, the three-point ball was never really a primary weapon for him in Australia or in international play. With Oladipo shooting just 32.7 percent in his rookie year, this could be an issue. Ultimately, though, you would think both Exum, who turns 19 in July, and Oladipo, 22, will get much better in the skill department over time. As athletes, they both grade out incredibly well, so there's plenty of good putty to mold. Given his potential and fit, taking Exum at pick No. 4 seems like an easy decision for Orlando. Now the Magic just need to hope the Cleveland Cavaliers, Milwaukee Bucks or Philadelphia 76ers don't like him more. 硬要說Exum跟ola的組合缺點，就是投射能力。尤其是三分能力。Exum正在加強厚度，並且訓練他的跳投，三分球本來就不是他主要的武器當他在澳洲比賽或是在國際賽的時候，而ola在他的菜鳥球季32.7的三分命中率，這是值得探討的問題。但也不必過度擔心，一個才七月才滿19歲，跟一個22歲都有頂級的體能組合來說，他們還有很長的時間可以去增進他們的技巧。從潛力跟適合度來看，魔術用Pick#4選Exum是毫無疑問很容易的決定，唯一要做的事情就是祈禱騎士、公鹿、76人不要愛上他然後選他。 ----------- Exum/ola/Moe/OQ/VV 恩...感覺內線的球員投籃還比較準..... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.192.201.179 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Orl-Magic/M.1401518043.A.1A5.html

推 theparanoid:Exum體測結果並沒有頂級體能，只能算不錯 05/31 14:54

推 kirchize:最後一段，翻譯應該是不喜歡。 05/31 14:54

→ theparanoid:Smart至少有防守第一隊潛力 05/31 14:54

推 rbking21:如果選Exum SF就會讓Harris上吧? 05/31 15:02

→ rbking21:不過Harris的三分也是死屍級的悲劇... 05/31 15:02

→ rbking21:等應該會讓AA 05/31 15:02

※ 編輯: y1027330 (123.192.201.179), 05/31/2014 15:48:48

推 pal1231:公鹿有可能選Exum 所以目前還不是很明朗啊 05/31 16:13

推 rbking21:http://0rz.tw/eXiP0 小朋友開始練球練瑜珈了XD 05/31 16:36

→ rbking21:看起來都很努力身材保持得很棒 Harris是不是又變更大隻? 05/31 16:37

推 c8c812345678:怎麼突然覺得OLA22歲已經很老了 05/31 17:34

推 c8c812345678:OLA-Harkless-Harris-VV+ Exum或SMART 05/31 17:38

→ y1027330:http://ppt.cc/Uoev 這好酷 OLA在選秀會前用GOOLE GLASS 05/31 18:37

→ y1027330:感覺OLA跟MOE超麻吉 05/31 18:43

推 theparanoid:如果可以Smart+Ola+Moe的防，就可以像熱火宰溜馬那樣 05/31 19:38

推 theparanoid:直接全場壓迫，逼對手失誤，直接快攻得手 05/31 19:40

推 theparanoid:再來隻可以全場飛奔蓋鍋的PF,配上VV抓防守籃板，明年 05/31 19:42

推 josh17:Harris看起來比Moe高？而且好像也更壯了 05/31 19:42

推 theparanoid:希望可以用AA+#12弄來Favors/Henson 05/31 19:43

→ mygoing:為什麼6'6身高算是高大的控球者是NBA控衛身高下降了嗎? 05/31 19:45

推 theparanoid:Exum的體測只有Livingston的水平 05/31 19:50

→ theparanoid:進Nba可能沒那麼吃的開 05/31 19:51

推 theparanoid:切入破壞力可能要打折了，畢竟他是靠第一步爆發力 05/31 19:52

推 rbking21:Ola感覺就是那種人見人愛的好孩子XD 05/31 20:14

→ rbking21:Zeller和Exum跟他交情也不錯 05/31 20:14

推 wildwest:一直強調體測跟Livingston同級很怪 05/31 20:17

→ wildwest:Livingston最高也就跳30吋 Exum原地跳就超過了 05/31 20:19

→ wildwest:差距5吋的彈跳力不能說是同級吧 05/31 20:19

→ wildwest:何況這個時代高大後衛越來越少了身材優勢明顯 05/31 20:21

→ wildwest:還有Livingston也不能算是差吧要是不受傷的話... 05/31 20:22

推 theparanoid:Exum是衝刺跳35吋，這當年大胖子Sean may的水平 05/31 20:22

→ theparanoid:Okford也是這水平， 05/31 20:23

→ theparanoid:很明顯彈性在後衛只有中上，跟Ola完全不同水平 05/31 20:24

→ theparanoid:而Exum是以爆發力受到注目，所以很希望海神不要選他 05/31 20:25

推 wildwest:很多後衛都是故意摸高弄矮增加彈跳的 05/31 20:25

→ theparanoid:覺得他是地雷機率超高 05/31 20:26

→ wildwest:直接看最大摸高就得了遠超大部分後衛 05/31 20:27

推 theparanoid:Ola去年衝刺跳42吋，Exum只有35吋 05/31 20:27

→ wildwest:這屆除了LaVine還有哪個後衛體測超過Exum? 05/31 20:27

→ wildwest:所以這就是盲點跳的高就好那選Lakin? 05/31 20:28

→ wildwest:Larkin打錯了 05/31 20:29

推 theparanoid:就很普通的體能，MCW去年41吋 05/31 20:30

→ theparanoid:http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1368864831.A.2D3.html 05/31 20:30

→ wildwest:Larkin 44吋呢你說呢你會前五順位選他? 05/31 20:31

推 theparanoid:Exum比去年評為體能普通的Burke還差一點 05/31 20:32

推 theparanoid:不是跳的高就好,而是體能型後衛35吋，算差了 05/31 20:34

推 wildwest:別人也沒他長得那麼高 05/31 20:37

推 theparanoid:體測數據出來更覺得Smart選大於Exum 05/31 20:37

→ wildwest:Burke光身高就差多少了 05/31 20:38

→ wildwest:Embiid能前三靠啥主要也是七呎吧扣掉五吋能看嗎 05/31 20:39

→ wildwest:Exum光身高就高Burke 5吋以上了 05/31 20:39

→ wildwest:我只覺得Smart比較硬 Exum比他高各有勝場 05/31 20:40

推 theparanoid:後衛很吃體能，而MCW跟Exum同型但體能差超多 05/31 20:45

推 theparanoid:很怕Exum又是魔術Penny接班人失敗品，體能令人失望 05/31 20:47

推 wildwest:大夢的接班人怎就很有勇氣選了 05/31 20:58

→ wildwest:體能輸MCW不代表體能差還是比大部分的後衛優秀 05/31 21:01

推 theparanoid:因為他是7呎長人，又有腳步，背傷值得賭 05/31 21:01

→ wildwest:MCW也是新人王很強缺點就投籃也不關體能的事 05/31 21:02

推 theparanoid:41吋跟34.5吋最大彈跳，恩差二個層級 05/31 21:03

推 CraigHansen:魔術需要一個很有星味的球員 Exum有我也喜歡Smart 但 05/31 21:04

推 theparanoid:MCW的節奏控制，恩，Exum肯定要練很多年 05/31 21:04

→ CraigHansen:是#4選Smart不甘願....三王如果沒有掉下來剩誰有星味 05/31 21:05

→ CraigHansen:魔術下季一定要想辦法搶進季後賽培養贏球文化利用 05/31 21:07

→ CraigHansen:選秀補強PG/PF 大前鋒Vonleh好像不錯但會用#4選嗎? 05/31 21:08

推 wildwest:跟Livinston不同級能讓你瞭解就好了 05/31 21:08

推 theparanoid:現在反而期待七六人選Exum,我們拿#4換MCW 05/31 21:09

→ wildwest:至於練反正年紀小那麼多 MCW跟本大四的年齡參選的 05/31 21:10

推 theparanoid:看完體測，覺得Exum不可能有Penny的水平，希望不要選 05/31 21:12

→ y1027330:不愛MCW 05/31 21:15

Lane Agility Time Shuttle Run Zach LaVine 10.42 1 Zach LaVine 2.8 1 Dante Exum 10.75 2 Dante Exum 2.88 3 Elfrid Payton 11.06 4 Elfrid Payton 2.92 4 Marcus Smart 10.82 3 Marcus Smart 2.96 5 Tyler Ennis 11.12 5 Tyler Ennis 2.84 2 MCW 10.68 MCW 3.7 OLA 10.69 Ola 3.14 Burke 11.2 Burke 3.01 Three Quarter Sprint Standing Vertical Leap Zach LaVine 3.19 1.5 Zach LaVine 33.5 1 Dante Exum 3.19 1.5 Dante Exum 31.5 3.5 Elfrid Payton 3.23 3 Elfrid Payton 31.5 3.5 Marcus Smart 3.26 4 Marcus Smart 33 2 Tyler Ennis 3.3 5 Tyler Ennis 29 5 MCW 3.22 MCW 31.5 Ola 3.25 Ola 33 Burke 3.16 Burke 29.5 我想Exum的彈跳能力應該不是主要武器吧他比一般控球高了4~5吋了臂長又是6'9 跳的高真的不如長的高跟臂長長要觀察他的是速度吧.... 他在速度方面的成績還是很不錯的.... 而且最近他一直在增重變壯了!! ※ 編輯: y1027330 (123.192.201.179), 05/31/2014 21:20:27

推 wildwest:結果挑體能挑成這樣選體能也沒好到哪去的Smart? 05/31 21:17

→ wildwest:沒Penny強又不怎麼樣這時代第一sg都變哈登了 05/31 21:19

→ theparanoid:Smart防守很棒 05/31 21:20

→ theparanoid:個性又強悍很適合當球隊領袖 05/31 21:21

補上 MCW Burke Ola的數據老實說沒有差很多啦!! ※ 編輯: y1027330 (123.192.201.179), 05/31/2014 21:25:52

推 wildwest:喜好不同我比較期待Exum的控球能力防守也不差 05/31 21:25

→ y1027330:另外之前看到一個數據我忘記多少了但EXUM比MCW狀多了 05/31 21:29

Height(沒穿鞋) Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat Vert Max Vert MCW 6'4.75'' 184 6'7.25 8'5 4.4 31.5 41 EXUM 6'4.5'' 196 6'9.5 8'7 6.4 31.5 34.5 EXUM真的是長臂猿... ※ 編輯: y1027330 (123.192.201.179), 05/31/2014 21:37:48

推 kirchize:我一直覺得很奇怪為什麼這些人穿鞋後都變成6'6... 05/31 21:47

→ kirchize:美國人的鞋墊有 5公分這麼厚唷 05/31 21:48

→ y1027330:穿5CM的鞋子會扭到吧...= = 05/31 21:50

推 kirchize:所以才好奇~~怎麼6'4.75...可以報到6'6....太不科學了 05/31 22:06

推 snowberry:我懷疑theparanoid另一個身分是湖人迷，不然就跟EXUM有 05/31 22:21

→ snowberry:仇，我知道鬍人肖想EXUM很久了 05/31 22:22

推 theparanoid:不好意思我是penny迷，我討厭Kobe 05/31 22:23

→ theparanoid:我希望魔術選Smart 05/31 22:24

推 theparanoid:只是單純對Exum的彈性很失望，不認為他是Penny接班人 05/31 22:26

→ hunight:認真講以他的速度34.5也夠用了況且他明顯就是還沒經過 05/31 22:31

→ hunight:重訓的身材應該還有一些成長空間 05/31 22:31

推 urbanroot:Exum感覺很地雷有小米粒窮人版的味道 05/31 22:35

推 theparanoid:U大講出了我的心聲，我認為Exum可能是今年最大地雷 05/31 22:37

推 theparanoid:但去年海神能選中OLA,海神的眼光令人放心 05/31 22:40

→ theparanoid:看看騎士狀元，巫師探花，OLA很明顯遠勝這二位 05/31 22:42

推 urbanroot:呃……我是暴力籃球的擁護者因此覺得防守上smart會強過 05/31 22:43

→ urbanroot:exum 體測成績我真的覺得能進nba體測都不會太差 05/31 22:43

推 theparanoid:防守至上，除非有Embiid,不然放掉Smart太可惜 05/31 22:44

推 urbanroot:而且澳洲出品的第一印象就玻璃因此我投smart一票 05/31 22:45

推 theparanoid:光幻想OLA+Smart讓對手過不了半場，就High了 05/31 22:46

推 josh17:各位魔術同好，我們來理性討論，別有火氣啊。本版可是隊版 05/31 22:48

→ josh17:中少見的清流…大家各有所好很正常，我們可以像是做專題報 05/31 22:48

→ josh17:告從各方面論述這樣是很棒的^^ 05/31 22:48

推 CHERRYCOLA:不是有消息說76想要Exum?那我們是選不到的... 05/31 22:48

→ y1027330:我是選哪個都沒差但我希望能組防守地域後場 05/31 22:48

→ y1027330:所以兩個都很符合我的需求哈哈XD 05/31 22:48

→ y1027330:公鹿跟76人都有這消息我最怕就是PARKER掉下來 05/31 22:49

推 josh17:最好是當天又有跌破眼鏡的情況出現，光用想的就夠嗨的了 05/31 22:49

→ y1027330:不選很像又說不過去選了交易掉很像也說不過去只好自用 05/31 22:49

推 urbanroot:結果七六人選exum掉下來賈霸二那大家會選賈霸二還是sm 05/31 22:51

→ urbanroot:art 我比較好奇這點 05/31 22:51

→ y1027330:一定是PARKER... 05/31 22:51

推 josh17:我也想要後場地獄的組合，前面有朋友說兩個猩球崛起的後衛 05/31 22:51

→ josh17:這點子太讚了，以後各隊後衛的噩夢… 05/31 22:51

→ urbanroot:Y大我們還是很有默契 XDDD 05/31 22:51

→ y1027330:選完拿PAKER+AA <-> SMART+FAVOR 05/31 22:51

→ y1027330:猩球崛起哈哈 XD 05/31 22:52

→ urbanroot:Y大搶劫開外掛 05/31 22:52

→ josh17:給y大，這樣太虧了，至少在一枚首輪籤… 05/31 22:53

→ urbanroot:倒是我想海神是不是想走04活塞那種堅壁清野方式的建構 05/31 22:53

→ urbanroot:模式…… 05/31 22:53

→ y1027330:那內線應該不適用VV吧... 05/31 22:54

推 theparanoid:真打劫到Smart+Favors，可以期待跟熱火打東區決賽 05/31 22:54

→ y1027330:所以是 PAKER+AA+12換SAMRT+FAVOR+23 這樣合理了吧 05/31 22:55

推 urbanroot:套句總版的口頭禪我魔小虧話說我好希望lin可以來…… 05/31 22:55

→ urbanroot:想當時要是在魔術可以用舞王跟勇士換來有多好 05/31 22:55

→ y1027330:拜託不要LIN..... 05/31 22:56

→ urbanroot:不過我們真的是清流沒話說和平又溫暖的隊版沒了dh還是 05/31 22:56

→ urbanroot:很多人討論…… 05/31 22:56

→ y1027330:有請爵士n大來評論Parker+12+aa換 smart+Favor+23的可 05/31 22:56

→ y1027330:能性還是再補個AN 05/31 22:57

→ urbanroot:Lin真的很不錯阿當時在勇士我就幻想他來了 05/31 22:57

→ y1027330:我看BP的MOCK 還更誇張 4選完EXUM 然後用12+AA換阿爵的5 05/31 22:58

→ y1027330:直接補VONLEH... 05/31 22:58

推 theparanoid:Parker+AA+AN+12換Smart+Favors+二輪就很讚了 05/31 23:00

推 urbanroot:Bp以為打電動…… 05/31 23:01

→ y1027330:老實說 12 蠻希望能自用的想選個射手... 05/31 23:03

→ y1027330:不然AA再走了真的完全沒射手了... 05/31 23:04

推 theparanoid:我們前年二輪海神慧眼選OQ,超神的 05/31 23:04

推 theparanoid:海神二輪再選隻射手就好了，大狗兒子攻守俱佳的角色球 05/31 23:07

→ theparanoid:魔術頭號瘋狂射手阿尼還在 05/31 23:08

→ y1027330:還是最愛我JJ 05/31 23:11

推 josh17:OQ應該是魔術隊史上最強的二輪自選新秀… 05/31 23:12

→ josh17:大班和outlaw原本好像都是落選 05/31 23:13

推 urbanroot:JJ+1 可是我還是最懷念Arroyo 還有人記得他嗎…… 05/31 23:14

→ urbanroot:魔術是最會養中鋒的球隊沒有之一…… 05/31 23:15

推 theparanoid:魔術年有薪資空間開全額中產給E.Davis 05/31 23:21

推 wildwest:我喜歡Arroyo 當初他和Nelson競爭球隊先發PG我比較喜歡他 05/31 23:22

推 snowberry:總之沒前三大物，就選EXUM 聰明哥只有防守可以選秀就是 05/31 23:24

→ snowberry:選潛力就是一種賭博除非兩個候選者強弱很分明了否則 05/31 23:25

推 urbanroot:想當初他還在和nelson爭先發現在nelson已經是老將了 05/31 23:26

→ urbanroot: 時光飛逝阿（菸 05/31 23:26

→ y1027330:ARROYO國際賽之王... 05/31 23:26

→ snowberry:潛力優先 2004年就是很好的例子 05/31 23:27

推 wildwest:Nelson老得太快了才30出頭... 05/31 23:28

推 myflame:板上人氣2X... 眼花了嗎@@ 05/31 23:29

→ y1027330:跟熱火超賽這種高人氣球隊差不多了哈哈XD 05/31 23:29

→ wildwest:重點是Exum不是那種幾乎無開發的糙哥籃球智商也有 05/31 23:30

→ y1027330:靠杯熱火有80多這麼兇悍... 05/31 23:30

→ wildwest:不像會養壞的樣子... 05/31 23:30

→ y1027330:出手感覺EXUM比SMART出手在軟一點.... 05/31 23:31

→ wildwest:人家冠軍隊要三連霸這人數正常我們大大的異常.. 05/31 23:31

→ y1027330:魔術很少養壞前幾順位的球員吧... 05/31 23:31

→ y1027330:印象中樂透區選的都還不錯... 05/31 23:32

→ y1027330:不過我也只想到歐肥 PENNY MM JJ LEE DH 阿尼 05/31 23:32

→ y1027330:雖然阿尼跟LEE不算樂透區 05/31 23:33

→ wildwest:Smart去年說要練投射豪情萬丈結果只有賽季一開始亮一下 05/31 23:33

→ y1027330:加上去年的歐拉 05/31 23:33

→ y1027330:SMART最猛就第一場阿.... 三分狂轟還有超帥大轉身 05/31 23:33

→ wildwest:領導力嘛...人是很積極可是球隊好像也沒走多遠= =" 05/31 23:34

→ y1027330:我記得那場KD還在現場的樣子 05/31 23:34

推 theparanoid:Gooden養壞了 05/31 23:34

→ y1027330:有拉有一場很關鍵帶領球隊贏了WIG的堪賽斯... 05/31 23:35

→ y1027330:Drew Gooden 有很壞嗎至少他還打了很多年的球... 05/31 23:35

推 GGGHILL:#4換MCW...不是開玩笑吧= = 05/31 23:36

推 theparanoid:他第四順位天份高，養成浪人 05/31 23:36

推 urbanroot:魔術什麼時候正常過了…… 05/31 23:38

→ y1027330:他是第四順位= =??? 真的假的 05/31 23:38

推 wildwest:沒有打很差吧而且也沒待很多年 05/31 23:38

→ urbanroot:個人感想我們除了c和pf其他的養成其實真的都還好 05/31 23:39

推 GGGHILL:Gooden一開始不是我們養的吧況且他也沒打得很差 05/31 23:40

推 wildwest:對啊他是灰熊的來打個一年多而已 05/31 23:41

→ wildwest:我覺得小安要算我們養出來的= ="(大范養出不少前鋒嘛..) 05/31 23:42

→ wildwest:T-Mac:我一來就超強不是魔術養的 XD 05/31 23:44

推 theparanoid:舉Gooden只是想說，也是有養失敗的 05/31 23:44

推 urbanroot:現在大范要去養裝猛了…不知道DH現在會不會懷念起在魔術 05/31 23:44

→ urbanroot:的時光 05/31 23:44

→ y1027330:我正要說小安也算我們的 05/31 23:44

→ y1027330:大飯說他覺得裝猛跟孟羅是絕配看來這兩隻活賽留定了 05/31 23:45

→ y1027330:這樣講HARRIS跟VV也要算我們的 05/31 23:46

→ wildwest:人事有變動主事者都不同 Gooden如果在大飯手下可能會好 05/31 23:46

→ wildwest:而且他那種算過水... 05/31 23:46

→ y1027330:K大選秀日要不要辦一下哈哈XD 05/31 23:46

→ y1027330:制服組換完目前新人養成算成功的 OLA VV HARRIS OQ 05/31 23:47

推 urbanroot:想一想我們還有好教練出品河流…… 05/31 23:47

→ y1027330:有點失敗 MOE AN ... 05/31 23:47

→ y1027330:好教練河流大飯 05/31 23:47

→ y1027330:不過我對MOE還是充滿信心.... 05/31 23:48

推 theparanoid:JohnnyTaylor/StevenHunter/ReeceGaines/ 05/31 23:48

推 wildwest:Moe我覺得還好耶 3D球員就是這樣的 AN防守實在太坑了 05/31 23:49

→ y1027330:Hunter我超有印象... 05/31 23:49

→ theparanoid:我對把Moe養成Ariea有信心 05/31 23:49

→ y1027330:有印象是因為tmac超北爛 05/31 23:50

→ wildwest:2004年之前那一大段黑歷史已經被笑很久了 05/31 23:50

→ y1027330:MOE會帥氣切入大轉身...........然後........... 05/31 23:50

→ y1027330:之前的選秀真的是超級黑暗選的幾乎都不認識 05/31 23:51

推 theparanoid:Sasser/Gaines二大魔術選的Penny接班人都超慘 05/31 23:52

推 rbking21:Lin那個價格 05/31 23:53

推 theparanoid:VV/Moe都是打劫76人來的 05/31 23:54

推 wildwest:那時期的育成能力很差...黑歷史不要再去想了= =" 05/31 23:54

→ wildwest:Harris打劫公鹿的 05/31 23:55

→ wildwest:OQ是DH交易的二輪(金塊)選的 05/31 23:55

推 theparanoid:Harris是打劫公鹿，希望今年海神可以磨刀指向爵士成功 05/31 23:56

→ wildwest:目前DH=VV+Moe+OQ+AA+今年12順位 05/31 23:56

推 ibs:現在的DH已經沒有這樣的行情了 DH賣在最高點! 05/31 23:58

→ y1027330:我知道別人選的阿但真正養成算是我們這邊阿 05/31 23:59

推 wildwest:4+12+AA+AN換公鹿2+Henson+配套薪資然後搶Bledsoe? 06/01 00:00

→ y1027330:西狂大還不只喔還有幾年後的兩個一輪簽 06/01 00:00

→ wildwest:這樣後場一樣很殘暴 06/01 00:00

→ wildwest:我是說目前以後的可能會搭配交易也不一定 06/01 00:01

→ y1027330:那2絕對選WIG... 06/01 00:01

→ y1027330:Bledsoe/ola/wig/Hebson/VV 後場硬梆梆 06/01 00:02

→ y1027330:前場以柔克剛哈哈 06/01 00:02

→ wildwest:我覺得公鹿會考慮耶因為三王都不想去那邊他們很尷尬 06/01 00:02

→ y1027330:Bledsoe+ola+wig這體能好興奮喔... 06/01 00:03

推 theparanoid:那Harris/Moe交易掉？ 06/01 00:03

推 snowberry:Gooden是灰熊west爺欽點的，灰熊養的，也不算失敗，就是 06/01 00:04

→ wildwest:Wiggins和Parker剛好他們有字母哥和不錯的Middleton 06/01 00:04

→ y1027330:替補還有阿尼 MOE HARRIS OQ 不錯不錯 06/01 00:04

→ y1027330:HARRIS留著當板凳王也很好用阿 06/01 00:05

→ wildwest:Embiid很棒可是也要想辦法處理一下Sanders 都很麻煩 06/01 00:05

→ y1027330:MOE就可以考慮交易了 06/01 00:05

→ snowberry:個性古怪，它在公牛時還把鬍子留的跟章魚一樣做造型 06/01 00:05

→ snowberry:被評價為球場黑洞可是常常可以洗出五個助攻，還會大三元 06/01 00:06

→ y1027330:好奇BLEDSOE在肯達基的時候評價跟Smart比哪個好啊 06/01 00:06

推 wildwest:新人約的球員自用和交易都可 Harris轉職第六人 Moe繼續練 06/01 00:07

→ snowberry:至於Sasser/Gaines跟另外一隻來是克羅埃西亞的古登都是 06/01 00:07

推 theparanoid:Bledsoe已經證明他跟Westbrook/KI有同等級切入單打能 06/01 00:08

→ y1027330:大學時期呢就是選秀前評價有比SMART高嗎?? 06/01 00:08

→ wildwest:所以可以開高薪跟太陽搶 06/01 00:09

→ snowberry:河流主政時期迷戀的高空衛失敗選秀，這些人連SG都不行 06/01 00:09

推 theparanoid:Bledsoe一直到去太陽前都是聯盟最被低估的PG 06/01 00:10

→ snowberry:至於獵人是尤因之後還稍微看的C，特點是火鍋很強，後來 06/01 00:10

→ snowberry:到金塊也有用處，直到鳥人崛起，才淡出 06/01 00:11

推 theparanoid:之前很多專家都懷疑他的籃球智商 06/01 00:11

→ theparanoid:可惜海神前年用AA換不到 06/01 00:12

推 wildwest:球隊本來就對Bledsoe有興趣了只是被太陽拔頭籌 06/01 00:12

→ y1027330:不覺得是海神沒換到感覺是不想換耶 06/01 00:13

→ wildwest:評價的問題要問虎乃大了大學他是權威 06/01 00:14

→ y1027330:最後快艇是換到達利耶怎麼看都是AA比較值得吧 06/01 00:14

推 theparanoid:Bledsoe打了一堆專家臉，只有LBJ知道他們是同等級球員 06/01 00:14

→ wildwest:海神對AA的處理很微妙耶到底是要不要交易他? 06/01 00:14

→ y1027330:乾我那時也希望能用AA換Bledsoe 06/01 00:15

→ wildwest:達利不差耶...至少身材比較好(河流:我要3號位球員) 06/01 00:15

→ y1027330:不過現在想想其實真的沒有必要換耶 06/01 00:15

→ y1027330:DOC可能是要補JJ所以選擇三號的達利拉我猜拉 06/01 00:16

→ wildwest:就只能用一年而且影響今年順位還會被其他球隊搶 06/01 00:16

→ y1027330:假如那時候換了可能就是Bledsoe在打ola這個位置 06/01 00:16

→ y1027330:想要現在搶就好了反正今年搶跟去年搶都依樣... 06/01 00:17

→ wildwest:現在去搶不就很好只是他在太陽很成功就不好挖了 06/01 00:17

→ y1027330:去年搶了戰績太好還更虧哈哈XD 06/01 00:17

→ y1027330:RFA 看太陽願意花多少... 06/01 00:18

推 theparanoid:其實是只有太陽願意收Bulter濫約，他真的癈掉了 06/01 00:18

→ y1027330:我們可以出一千萬多一點點哈哈XD 06/01 00:18

→ theparanoid:頂薪，只可能這個價碼 06/01 00:19

→ theparanoid:去年ISO王，不再是KI 06/01 00:20

→ y1027330:搞不好海神真的會來做個大事... 06/01 00:20

→ y1027330:不過Bledsoe去年有膝蓋受傷... 06/01 00:21

推 theparanoid:健康的Bledsoe是遠比Smart/Exum好，防守也頂級 06/01 00:22

推 urbanroot:重點是他痛痛 06/01 00:31

推 wildwest:太陽M.Elliott被評年度最佳體能訓練教練<=醫龍團隊人才 06/01 00:37

推 rbking21:不覺得會遠比更何況新秀還沒進聯盟 06/01 00:39

推 GGGHILL:爆 06/01 00:42

推 hunight:Bledsoe大學就看得出是能切能傳的小鋼砲不過在Wall表弟 06/01 00:43

→ hunight:身邊 UK又早早被淘汰其實除了先天條件他根本沒展現什麼 06/01 00:43

推 hunight:東西出來當然更談不上什麼打了誰的臉 06/01 00:45

推 ssd123698745:DH真的是第一C 除了他以外現在沒有別的中鋒可以硬 06/01 00:46

→ ssd123698745:一整場把人家禁區打爆的 06/01 00:47

推 urbanroot:也不看看誰養的 XD 06/01 00:47

→ ssd123698745:看完Hibbert的感想.. 06/01 00:47

→ hunight:況且說他是最被低估的PG....嗯其實去年看他PER大概也猜得 06/01 00:48

→ hunight:到會爆發而且他decision making大多還是靠先天條件撐起 06/01 00:49

→ hunight:防守頂級嘛...不管是從數據還是basketIQ都差很遠意識倒是 06/01 00:51

→ hunight:算還不錯但經驗還差很多 06/01 00:51

推 ssd123698745:exum的預估潛力真的高到讓人放棄那三支選他嗎 06/01 00:57

→ ssd123698745:76人居然還願意丟麥卡威賭他 06/01 00:58

推 hunight:那條新聞已經被否認了.... 06/01 01:00

→ hunight:不管選誰交易MCW絕對不合邏輯 06/01 01:01

推 kirchize:今天的魔術版很熱鬧阿因為端午連假嗎 06/01 01:12

推 wildwest:人氣直逼東區三甲簡直是夢回2010年XD 06/01 01:14

→ JoshSmith:魔術每個位置都有值得培養的球員了，不如想辦法換個明星 06/01 01:15

推 killer922:這篇竟然爆了@0@ 我們真的沒進季後賽嗎XDDDDDDDDD 06/01 01:17

推 kirchize:魔術迷都很M的~~~而且都是夜貓子！XDDD 06/01 01:22

推 urbanroot:我們是三甲沒錯阿……倒數的……（毆飛 06/01 01:56

推 wildwest:Kristaps Porzingis這個如何 7呎 Dirk和AK47的綜合體? 06/01 02:56

→ wildwest:能練出肌肉有超級PF的潛力 06/01 02:57

→ wildwest:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WOEG1k2eCw 06/01 02:59

推 urbanroot:太軟了增加肌肉照道理會影響敏捷度他的感覺比較類似大 06/01 04:02

→ urbanroot:後鋒 06/01 04:02

推 urbanroot:在來是他可以幾乎可以說是沒有籃板卡位的部分也不成熟 06/01 04:04

→ urbanroot: 但要是沒有被選到選完在簽短約抓來練練倒是划算 06/01 04:04

推 wildwest:1.籃板我們有VV+Harris 2.他17歲在西甲聯盟打球 06/01 07:40

→ wildwest:難免感覺對抗性籃板輸點但是他對上皇馬有很好表現過 06/01 07:41

→ wildwest:Embiid(1994生)也一樣被寫對抗性有點不足他1995的 06/01 07:43

→ wildwest:3.他現在的敏捷度都可以打上3號了增重打4號剛好 06/01 07:45

→ wildwest:現在沒來體測是因為還在打比賽 06/01 07:55

→ y1027330:倒數26天 06/01 09:00

推 Drexler:朝聖爆文爬完這篇推文了Orz 06/01 10:22

→ y1027330:賭馬刺贏。想說賺了結果開延長賽shit.... 06/01 11:37

→ killer922:無恥黑雷放暑假圓仔哭哭找媽媽爽 06/01 11:46

推 c8c812345678:推豹紋 06/01 11:59

推 ssd123698745:魔術版的人氣和暴文數量比真的不科學 06/01 12:00

推 kirchize:爽~~黑雷放假 06/01 13:11

推 snowberry:今年如果熱火嗑掉老馬，三連霸之後會讓這支球隊迅速衰敗 06/01 13:12

→ snowberry:佛州的另一支球隊就要升起了 06/01 13:13

推 kirchize:我希望老馬可以剋掉熱火 TD就可以光榮退休了跟大羅一樣 06/01 13:24

推 killer922:我也想再給三劍客一枚戒指光榮退役 06/01 14:00

→ killer922:雖然有點對不起雷槍可是有點不爽熱火的幾個....... 06/01 14:01

→ y1027330:老馬+1 06/01 14:35

推 pal1231:TD好強無視裁判負加成好想要一隻啊~ 06/01 14:47

推 urbanroot:老馬總冠軍給TD一個光榮的舞台吧 06/01 17:00

推 slashmac:今年跟去年的NBA有差嗎...又是喇叭VS老馬... 06/01 20:56

→ Drexler:不過兩千萬開始發揮了想幫他加油旅魔就是行 06/01 23:32

推 ssd123698745:好難抉擇...3連霸和5冠都是偉大的成就 06/01 23:57

推 wildwest:我喜歡TD的低調內斂馬刺的團隊打法 06/02 08:33

推 Verlander35:馬刺+1 馬刺三老去年就敗在雷槍三分啊... 06/02 11:43

推 vic1201:Wade的max vert 也才35' 不該因為這理由放棄Dante 06/03 09:19

→ y1027330:我覺得海神應該沒有勇氣放棄exum 除非有什麼好包裹 06/03 09:34

→ y1027330:讓他把4往下交易 06/03 09:35

推 josh17:y大，你可以看6847和6850這兩篇虎乃大的推文，有他對今年 06/04 11:14

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