[外電] Why Steve Nash should not be traded...

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Why Steve Nash should not be traded and

a look at the Phoenix Suns’ future.

http://0rz.tw/BnoSA



有點長，簡短說，除非有好到受不了的提案才需要考慮交易。

例如KD for Nash...(毆飛)


翻譯開始

I was not the least bit surprised by all the Amare Stoudemire trade rumors
that swirled through the Phoenix Suns organization for the past two years
(and then some).
STAT was getting set to be an unrestricted free agent, and the Suns had to
 weigh the virtues of keeping him to win in the short term and retain the
best chance of re-signing him with dealing him to acquire some assets before
 he bolts for nothing but a trade exception.

對於過去兩年一直出現關於Amare的交易傳言，我並不是非常驚訝。

Amare即將變成UFA而太陽除了需要他幫助球隊贏球，也需要開始處理
他的續約以免最後只剩下TE。


But for a national analyst like Ric Bucher to stick his neck out and say
Steve Nash is the top name to be mentioned in trade discussions other
than Carmelo Anthony kind of caught me off guard. Not that I didn’t spend
much of Friday’s game against the Grizzlies debating the very idea with
KTAR’s Adam Green, but I just didn’t think it was reality at this point
in the season.

有位專家提到Nash才是最該交易的人而不是Anthony，不過我不覺得在這季的這個時
間點是真實的，

Alvin Gentry did all he could to put a stop to the chatter by proclaiming
 at Wednesday’s practice that Nash “is not going to be traded” (no word
 on if he also proclaimed that the sky is still going to be blue). Frankly,
 I take Gentry at face value and feel that a number of circumstances would
have to occur for this to become even a reasonable discussion.

Gentry盡他所能的滅火，但說真的，我覺得某些特定情況將可能發生而讓Nash的交易
討論變成合理的。

Entering the offseason, the Suns had a number of different courses they
 could potentially chart. Plan A (in theory) was re-sign Amare, maintain
 the status quo and then have this become “Amare’s team” once Nash
retires.

就進攻方來說，太陽有許多可能選擇的路線，計畫A就是續簽Amare讓太陽在Nash
退休後變成Amare的隊伍。

Once STAT bolted to New York, the Suns could either reload by acquiring
 a David Lee or Al Jefferson to replace Stoudemire or roll over their
cap space to the following offseason when Jason Richardson was coming
off the books and they could be a major player in free agency.

而Amare去尼克之後，太陽可以找David Lee或是Al Jefferson來取代Amare，或是
在今年靠著Richardson成為FA之後所空出的薪資空間去補人。

The Suns sort of chose the latter option by reloading, yet they replaced
Amare with a combination of Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress and Hakim Warrick
 rather than a traditional four man. In doing so the Suns made a statement
that they were going for it one more time with Nash (albeit without a
traditional pick-and-roll partner).

太陽則是選擇重建清單，沒錯，他們找來Hedo+Childress+Warrick取代Amare而不
是傳統的四號球員，這表示太陽將有可能再做一次來取代Nash(儘管沒有一個傳統的
P&R夥伴)。

By also re-signing Channing Frye and now during the season extending
Jared Dudley, the Suns have made it impossible to rebuild through free
agency during the foreseeable future.

加上續約Frye和延長Dudley，在可預見未來太陽將不會透過FA來重建。

During the Lon Babby press conference, Robert Sarver stood up and said
 he surveyed the future free agent market, realized the Suns weren’t
going to sign a Carmelo type of star and decided to this route.

在Lon Babby的記者會上，Sarver站出來說太陽將不會在自由球員市場簽下Carmelo
之類的明星球員並決定之後的發展路線。

Take a look at the Phoenix Suns salaries for the next few seasons.
When the offseason began, only Nash and Leandro Barbosa’s player option
were committed for next season aside from guys on their rookie deals like
Robin and Goran. Now they have close to $50 million in commitments for
next season if you factor in minimum rookie deals, and that’s even with
J-Rich’s $14.4 million coming off the cap.

The two seasons after that they already possess about $33 million in
commitments, and with likely raises due to Robin and Goran it’s unlikely
 that the Suns will have a ton of cap space for some time.

筆者:這兩段我不太懂為什麼薪資跟Barbosa有關，不過簡單說就是就算未來兩年的
到期約都不續簽，太陽的薪資還是達到33M，這之中當年也不包括Dragic和Lopez兩
人的約。

That brings us back to Nash. The Suns did not make the moves they did
this summer just to blow it all up a couple weeks into the season. If
the Suns wanted to rebuild, they would have either acquired an Al Jefferson
 type of player to build around or waited until this summer to make their
splash.

讓我們焦點回到Nash身上，太陽在開季前沒啥行動，如果太陽想重建，應該找來像
Al Jefferson之類的球員或是等到這個暑假再開始灑銀彈。

Instead they attempted to fashion a roster that could win this year.
 There’s no way the Suns will blow that up without finding out how good
 it can be, as well they should.

可是作為取代重建，他們儘可能的為了獲勝而調整球員清單，所以沒道理太陽這季
會爆炸而不做出任何改變。


Especially considering Phoenix’s treacherous November schedule, this
team needs at least until January or February to see if the pieces fit.
With the Suns integrating three new important pieces into an unconventional
style and with one of those players gutting it out through a broken finger
and another basically switching positions after a 10-year career, even if
they are a few games below .500 at the end of this month give them time.

尤其考慮到太陽十一月的可惡賽程(大概是指客場B2B)，這支球隊需要等到一月甚至
二月才能知道這些零件是否合的起來。這些非傳統的零件包括一個手指受傷的球員，
也包括讓一個已經打了十年的球員轉換位置。所以即使這支球隊勝率不到五成，但還
請多給他們一點時間。

After last year’s blazing hot start, the Suns were worse than mediocre for two months before becoming the best team in the West (well, with the Lakers cruising to the finish at least) throughout the rest of the regular season and up until the conference finals.

太陽去年有個非常好的開始，但中間有段非常糟的時間，但在明星賽後以勝率第一
成為西區最好的球隊(痾...湖人是從頭到位都是第一)，就這樣保持到季末。

This team needs time to see if Nash can make one final run in the Valley.

這支球隊需要看Nash是否能在溪谷做最後一次奔跑。

The counterpoint exclaims that this Suns team won’t win a title even if
 they do gel, so get something for Nash while there’s still time.

counterpoint(?)指出即使太陽各零件合在一起了仍然不太會贏，所以趁現在還是
時間替Nash做點事吧。

This goes back to the whole “Is it good enough to just be a really good
team for a really long time or are you ultimately judged by championships”
 question. No comment, Lakers fans.

所以回到整件事，"當個長期的強隊"和"為了冠軍而努力"哪個好？湖人迷不準回答。
(筆者:最後那句應該是在開湖人迷的玩笑吧？)


重點來了


If the Suns fall out of the playoff race (which I doubt will happen), Nash
 goes to management and nicely asks for a better situation (there’s no other
 way it could be done) and the Suns find a team willing to deal a young
potential centerpiece, that’s the only way I do it. I’m not talking cap
relief and a pick (remember, the Suns won’t be in a position to take
advantage of cap relief so it’s not an asset they should value), I want
a bonafide young big man.

如果太陽沒打進季後賽，把Nash放進交易區，然後找一好的買家願意提供年輕且有
潛力的中心球員，這是我唯一會做的。我不會考慮空出薪資或是選秀權，我要一個
年輕大個子。(記得，太陽沒有操作薪資空間的餘地)

I’m talking about a Josh Smith-type of player or better. And for the
dealing team, why would they give up such a vital piece to acquire a
soon-to-be 37-year-old point guard?

我是說像Josh Smith類型的球員，或是更好的。而對於想交易的球員，為什麼他們
願意放棄這樣的球員而要一個將要37歲的控衛？

Even without Nash the Suns have enough quality players to avoid becoming
 the kind of lottery team bad enough to draft a future stud. So unless the
 wheels fall off completely and a stud you can rebuild around is available,
I would hold on to Nash until the summer when trades aren’t made so much
on the fly. Also, I’ve always believed Nash can’t just come into a system
 and be at his optimal level of effectiveness since he needs so much of an
 offense to be built around him, although I suppose that would not be an
issue in New York for obvious reasons.

即時沒有Nash，太陽仍有夠好的球員而不會淪落那種糟糕到不僅是樂透還可以抽
狀元的球隊，所以除非有包含好的基石球員的交易出現，不然我在暑假前都不會
考慮Nash的交易。而且我也覺得不會有系統是在進攻上再度圍繞他當中心，即使
我覺得對尼克來說不會有問題。(筆者：Amare表示：)

Looking at the Suns’ future, I do worry that they will be stuck in the
 middle of being good enough to be a borderline playoff team but never bad
 enough to bottom out and draft a Tim Duncan.

我對太陽的未來並不會感到憂心，我不會擔心他們會卡在季後賽入口而永遠不會
糟糕到可以抽到Tim Duncan.
(筆者：馬刺躺著也中槍，不過他們運氣真的不是普通的好)

With Dudley now re-signed, they have an immediate future post-Nash core
of Dragic-Childress-Hedo-Warrick-Lopez with Dudley-Frye-Lawal (if he pans
out) coming off the bench.

因為Dudley續約，所以太陽未來可以擺出沒有Nash的陣容Dragic-Childress-Hedo-
Warrick-Lopez，還有板凳的Dudley-Frye-Lawal。

Add a stud power forward, move Warrick to the bench and acquire another
guard and that could be a solid team, although not one that will be
challenging the Heat and the Thunder any time soon. Sure, there are too
many players that can be considered role players, but aside from Hedo’s
horrendous contract and the fact that Channing is a bit overpaid those
really aren’t bad deals.

加個穩健的PF讓Warrick到替補，再找個後衛，太陽就可變成一隻穩固的球隊，
當然不會是跟熱火或雷霆比。我們有太多功能性球員，不過先把Hedo恐怖的
薪資放旁邊，然後忽略Frye的薪資偏高的事實，其實太陽那些約真的都不壞。


In an ideal world for Phoenix fans, the Suns will be the buyers at the
deadline searching for a four that can rebound and defend, run the
pick-and-roll with Nash now and slot into the four spot of that future
starting lineup.

對於太陽迷的最大幻想是，太陽在交易截止前可以找到有籃板和防守還可以和
Nash做Pick&Roll的球員，未來還能當四號先發。
(筆者:真夠美好)

We don’t know how ideal that world will be come January and February.

我們並不知道到一二月的時候會變怎樣。

If this season is in the dumps and you can acquire an impact future
piece and do Nash right by sending him to a contender, consider it at
that time but not before this team that they built to remain competitive
 with Nash and gave up future cap space to do so has time to gel.

如果球季結束太陽打的很糟，那你可以要求把Nash送出去換個未來的中心球員
回來，但也請到時候再說。現在的太陽是個放棄未來和薪資空間，就為了繼續
替Nash打造一個有競爭力的球隊。

Unless a superstar falls in their laps, the Suns appear to have a nice
future core to win games but not one that will set the league on fire
with so many of them being role players.

除非有巨星降臨，不然即使未來的太陽仍會是支不錯的球隊，但在聯盟也翻不起
什麼風浪，因為有太多功能型球員了。

Why end the Nash era early when there’s only that to look forward to?


在這個只能向總冠軍看的時候，為什麼要這麼快終止Nash的年代？


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※ 編輯: truegodchild    來自: 118.233.182.253      (11/12 19:38)
推 bll135      :推好文 推最後一句 看了好難過
推 TaksNo7     :當初沒辦法全力留住Amare就已經偏離了這個事實了
Nash-Richason-Hill-Amare-Lopez，Dragic-Dudley-Hedo這樣嗎？
推 enmucioe    :Amare去年打湖人可以說被看破手腳 一個防守快比Dirk
→ enmucioe    :更好吃，有大傷的球員  Sarver出有條件的頂薪約並不
→ enmucioe    :過分  阿罵的防守能量+傷病讓他根本不能稱作巨頭
※ 編輯: truegodchild    來自: 118.233.182.253      (11/12 20:18)
→ MOJS        :你應該去掉HEDO..有阿罵不會有HEDO的
推 TaksNo7     :如果太陽有意要在Nash剩餘生涯中全力爭取冠軍
→ TaksNo7     :那當初Amare的離開就表示我們已經偏離這個目標了
→ MOJS        :或許阿罵算不上巨頭，但是可以給他這種薪水的，看老
→ TaksNo7     :並不是說非要留住Amare  但是上季真的很接近奪冠
→ TaksNo7     :並不是所有球隊方針的和終極目標都是拿冠軍
→ MOJS        :板願不願意而已，不過老闆不給也算合情合理
→ TaksNo7     :有些球隊的經營方式就是可以賺錢就好 (ex快艇)
→ TaksNo7     :有些球隊的經營方式就是維持收支 兼顧戰績
→ TaksNo7     :所以他才會禁止湖人迷回答 當個傳統強隊和爭冠這問題
→ TaksNo7     :並不是所有老闆都像湖人那樣
→ TaksNo7     :太陽也很明白未來這幾年自己的薪資結構
→ TaksNo7     :沒有辦法留下Amare  真的要在Nash剩餘生涯中打造
→ TaksNo7     :以他為核心奪冠  坦來講就是越來越遠
推 MOJS        :Nash還在就有競爭力，也代表重建又往後延
→ MOJS        :我沒辦法期待..Nash少了一個最好搭擋後，太陽今年會
→ MOJS        :比去年更好.就算補進來的人是跟阿罵同等級的，默契呢
推 TaksNo7     :我已經都是用欣賞比賽的角度看太陽的球賽了
→ TaksNo7     :贏球很好  冠軍更棒 沒有的話其實看Nash打球也很滿足
推 TaksNo7     :就是M大說的那樣，我們有盡力留下阿罵，可惜失敗
推 MOJS        :薪資跟Barbosa就是小巴在明明年PO..
→ TaksNo7     :可惜現在最缺的是一個能夠融入太陽的強力4、5號球員
→ TaksNo7     :還要可以和Nash有絕佳默契，我們已經錯過了
→ MOJS        :只有一個明..之後Nash約也到期還有綠茶
可是小巴已經換出去了，幹麻還要考慮他?
推 MOJS        :因為當時小巴還沒換出去阿
咦？他前兩段才說簽下Frye續約Dudley，還是記者會那時候是還沒換？
→ Sakber      :換掉一個有威力的禁區找一票功能球員來補
→ Sakber      :我實在看不出有啥想衝擊冠軍阿= =
如果不想衝擊冠軍，幹嘛還簽一堆人，直接放棄等重建就好了。
→ MOJS        :不知道是看上哪點補那些人進來，而且約都很長
推 abcd810112  :為了補而補吧= =
推 MOJS        :明年是有小嘎受啦..不過簽的到嗎? 可能本來以為肉汁
→ MOJS        :可以頂上C吧..綠茶和Nash到期又可以補強..
推 abcd810112  :還是不要肖想太多比較實際= = 我覺得綠茶要續簽啦
→ abcd810112  :不然我們都沒有純sg了= =
→ opopoppj    :我其實也不太懂今年的補強 不像重建也不像奪冠
推 TaksNo7     :總之為了防止一個可能變成傷病的大爛約的發生
→ TaksNo7     :太陽沒有不顧一切代價留下Amare，這其實也是件
→ TaksNo7     :很合理的事情，可是別忘了太陽本來是以Amare
→ TaksNo7     :為基石打造球隊，找Nash來帶領輔助他。
→ TaksNo7     :我意思是既然太陽當初沒有很阿撒力的管別隊開
→ TaksNo7     :什麼我照單全開，也證明我們並不是湖人那種全意
→ TaksNo7     :奪冠的球隊，就不用期待太陽會有要在Nash
→ TaksNo7     :剩餘生涯中打造冠軍隊伍的想法了
→ TaksNo7     :現在的陣容比前幾年都更不可能衝擊冠軍
→ TaksNo7     :而Nash就和Sloan一樣，只要他在你隊上的一天
→ TaksNo7     :你永遠就別想抽樂透簽，重建隊伍也可以把它拖到
→ TaksNo7     :季後賽，也因為這樣進退維谷，所以才會有了
→ TaksNo7     :為什麼Nash不能交易的說法在這時候出現
的確，以Nash為中心太陽永遠只能朝總冠軍前進。
→ Sakber      :現在感覺就是維持一定競爭力 能打多少算多少
→ Sakber      :燃燒老將最後價值 觀眾看得爽會進場就好=3=
推 MOJS        :給原PO，並不一定的，如果球隊肯放手，讓Nash到替補
推 bll135      :進退維谷是很恰當的形容詞。
→ MOJS        :小帥哥拉上先發練經驗值，Nash合約到期後，像Hill
→ MOJS        :一樣低新簽來當穩定的老將也是一種方法
多謝提醒，所以我調整一下說詞。
※ 編輯: truegodchild    來自: 118.233.182.253      (11/12 21:29)
推 illidan23   :Nash-Richason-Hill-Amare-Lopez，Dragic-Dudley-Hed
→ illidan23   :這個陣容看起來很不錯的說= =
→ illidan23   :還可以練Lawal和Clark
→ abcd810112  :話說Amare跟Hedo應該不會同時共存..
推 jackch33    :要交易就快交易啦. 快把Nash交易掉. 爛老闆
推 MOJS        :有阿罵就不會有HEDO..別再想克拉克了..
推 illidan23   :一個SF一個PF為什麼不能共存?
推 jlcsn       :薪水吧( ￣ c￣)y▂ξ
推 jeromee     :感謝翻譯，辛苦了。
推 illidan23   :多500萬鎂跟要老闆命一樣  唉~
→ abcd810112  :我的意思是..沒交易Amare Hedo不會來..
→ jlcsn       :的確 推薪水不完全對 因為是空間問題不是薪水問題
推 illidan23   :我倒覺得薪資問題比較大  一內一外重疊問題不大
推 jlcsn       :我說的是薪資空間拉XD
→ MOJS        :沒錯.我是說薪資，阿罵留5年2千+火槍1千..嚇死人喔