作者neak (neak)
看板PHX-Suns
標題[閒聊]NBA 新舊提案比一比
時間Mon Nov 28 07:48:57 2011
好像沒有人有談論說這次資方跟球員到底在吵些什麼?
很多人都被誤導說球員要求BRI 要53%。但其實在上週談判破裂時,球員就有說不是BRI的問
題,他們可以接受50%的BRI,是不能接受一個完全是資方觀點,從頭到尾不肯讓步的,嚴格
局限球員移動的自由,談判的空間。
上個禮拜在談判破裂前,球員說如果資方可以在這些東西讓步,那他們就願意接受低於
51%BRI
5 p.m. deadline passes, talks continue
http://tinyurl.com/cluw6rx
Players indicated after their meeting Tuesday that they would be open to
reducing their BRI take if owners made some changes on the system issues.
Players offered to go to about 51 percent Saturday, with 1 percent going into a
fund for retired player benefits.
在11/10/2011,球員工會表示他們可以接受51%得BRI ,如果1%的BRI 可以提做退休球員的
福利。
Sources: Players unlikely to accept deal
http://tinyurl.com/6qecugo
這是11/11/2011,球員工會拒絕的合約。
The clause would give teams the right to send a player down to the NBA
Development League at any time during his first five years, paying him a
reduced contract while he's there, a source who has examined the proposal told
Bucher.
球隊可以把在NBA 打未滿5年的球員減薪丟到D League。
The owners' new proposal also would prohibit luxury tax-paying teams from
sign-and-trade deals after a two-year "phase-in" period, according to sources.
有富豪華稅的球隊,過兩年後都不可以 sign-and-trade 。(現在很多球員明明是跟別隊簽
的像Amare,因為是太陽隊簽,再換到尼克隊,可以拿到比較長的合約。)
Non-tax-paying teams also would be prohibited from using the mid-level
exception if doing so would take them over the salary cap, sources said.
未繳富豪華稅的球隊,如果使用 mid-level exception 會導致超過薪資上限,則不可使用
。
(這一點在Bill Simmons的podcast 有談到,根本就幾乎沒有球隊會用mid-level
exception ,但是經紀人談合約時是會假裝跟擁有mid-level exception 的球隊談,已達到
哄價,是一個談判很好用的工具。)
That disappointed union leaders, who were expecting more after they made a
commitment earlier in the week, for the first time since the lockout began, to
accept a 50-50 split of annual Basketball Related Income.
球員工會都願意接受50%BRI 但是資方在其他地方的不讓步,讓他們感到心寒。
"In life and society there are three classes: There's the upper class, the
middle class and lower class," Terry said. "And what the owners are trying to
do right now, what their proposal is, get rid of the middle class so you have
one or two guys on each team making 'X' and the rest of the guys crunched down
at a smaller number and then no middle ground."
社會有金字塔頂端、中產跟貧民。新的合約是在消滅中產。(但是球員大部分都是中產而不
是金字塔頂端,每個球員有一樣多的投票權,一個只照顧少數金字塔頂端利益的合約是不可
能會通過的。)
Billy Hunter's memo to players
http://tinyurl.com/btmtv4z
這是今天Hunter 寫給球員,關於過幾天就要投票的合約。
1. BRI Split - Players receive a 49-51 band of BRI, with the expectation that
players will receive 51% of BRI by year 6. The split is set on a base case of
50%, with the players receiving 60.5% of every incremental dollar beyond the
targeted amount, which is based on the mid-point of the agreed upon
projections, or a symmetrical reduction in our share if revenues fall short of
the targeted amount. The players' share this first season (2011-12) will be
51.2% of BRI.
BRI 是 50% 為主,會因預估跟實際的收入差異而浮動。2011-2012球季將是51.2%
2. System
a. Mid-Level Exception for Non-Taxpayers: The Mid-Level Exception's contract
length is 4 years, every year.
未繳富豪華稅的球隊:Mid-Level Exception's 每年都有,長度是四年。(之前傳出是以
四年、三年,隔年交替,現在統一改成四年。)
b. Player Options: Player options are allowed for all players, as per the prior
CBA. Owners dropped their demand to eliminate player options for high-paid
players
Player Options 被保留了(之前資方要求高薪球員不可有 Player Options。)
c. Escrow: 10% max withholding, 1% New Benefits Pool, system adjustments as
necessary to avoid forecasted overage. Owners dropped their demand for
unlimited escrow, carry over, true up, or banking.
之前資方要求為了保障達到預定的BRI分配,而在所有員工薪水被扣繳的錢是無上限的,現
在最多是10%。
d. Qualifying Offers: Beginning in 2012-13, players defined as "starters" - 41
games started or 2000 minutes, average over prior 2 seasons - will receive
substantially higher qualifying offers. A first-round pick will receive the
greater of his existing qualifying offer or the qualifying offer amount made to
the 9th pick of the draft ($4.67 million for the 2010-11 draft class). A
second-round pick or undrafted player will receive the qualifying offer amount
made to the 21st pick. A first-round pick drafted 1-14 who is not a "starter"
receives the amount offered to the 15th pick.
2012-13 有達到連兩季超過41場球賽或是2000分鐘都是先發球員的話,可以拿到比較高得
起薪。第一輪的球員的球員起薪江等於第九籤。第二輪起薪將等於第21籤。第一輪非先發球
員起薪等於第15籤。
e. Max Salary: A player finishing his rookie scale contract will be eligible to
receive a maximum salary equal to 30% of the Cap (up from 25%) if he signs with
his prior team and is either: 1st, 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA 2 times; an All-Star
starter 2 times; or 1-time MVP.
最高薪資從25%的薪資上限調整為30%。(不過薪資上限會大幅調低,所以不見得有升薪。)能
得到最高薪資必須完成菜鳥合約而且
1) 跟原球隊簽
2) 有兩次入選明星賽或是1st, 2nd or 3rd team ; 或是得到一次MVP
f. Minimum Salary: The owners dropped their demand to reduce the minimum salary
scale by 12%. The current amounts will not be reduced.
老闆本來要求將原本最低工資調降12%,現在將維持原狀。
g. Rookie Scale: The owners dropped their demand to cut the rookie wage scale.
The current amounts will not be reduced.
老闆本來要求調降菜鳥合約,現在將維持原狀。
h. Extend-and-Trade: The owners dropped their demand to eliminate
extend-and-trades. As with sign-and-trades, players moving pursuant to an
extend-and-trade may not receive Bird annual increases or one year longer
maximum contract length.
老闆原本要求取消Extend-and-Trade (Carmelo Anthony 是先跟金磚延長合約再換到尼克)
,現在將維持原狀。
sign-and-trades 跟extend-and-trade 都不行得到 Bird 的每年加薪以及比最長合約還超
過一年。
i. Annual Increases: Annual increases will be set at 7.5% for Bird players and
4.5% for non-Bird players.
Bird 每年升薪 7.5%,其它 4.5%
j. Taxpayers' Use of Mid-Level Exception & Sign-and-Trade: The owners agreed to
a $4 million "apron" above the tax threshold. Teams may go above the tax
threshold by $4 million to use the entire $5 million mid-level exception, or
acquire a player via sign-and-trade. Teams above the $4 million apron may use a
$3 million/3-year mid-level exception every year.
有富豪華稅的球隊 Mid-Level Exception & Sign-and-Trade :可以四百萬超過豪華稅上限
,如果已經超過四百萬的球隊每年可用三百萬三年的Mid-Level Exception 。
k. Cliff: No change to prior proposal to reduce the cliff by 50%.
薪資上限到豪華稅的Cliff跟上次提案一般將被砍一半。
-------------------------------------------------
反正現在新提出的合約終於有球員工會的不滿提出回應了。這不是BRI 的問題,這是球員可
以移動 (sign-and-trades 跟extend-and-trade),中產不減薪 (Mid-Level Exception)的
問題。
--
※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc)
◆ From: 24.205.16.108
※ neak:轉錄至看板 NBA 11/28 07:51
※ 編輯: neak 來自: 24.205.16.108 (11/28 08:17)
推 bll135 :感謝分享:) 11/28 10:21
推 swingingbear:感謝分享0.0 11/28 12:10
推 jlcsn :感謝分享=v= 11/28 12:31
推 thegod13 :推 11/28 14:13
推 articlebear :推 11/28 14:50