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[pennymarcus (De-troit Basketball)]

http://tinyurl.com/d9csv6

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News

Here's Charles Barkley on TNT: "You can't fake hustle. You either have to be
into the game or not. Cleveland is trying to win the championship, and
Detroit has one foot in Cancun. They are packing up their stuff as we speak."
巴爵士：活塞不夠拼。當騎士想拿總冠軍時，活塞的一隻腳已經踩在潛水勝地 —
Cancun。當我們說話時他們正在打包。

And ESPN's Tim Legler gave video evidence of the Pistons' lack of heart and
hustle. He showed one play where Mo Williams took a 3-point shot. Four
Pistons surrounded the glass, yet Joe Smith knifed in for the rebound. He
also showed how lethargic the Pistons looked on offense. In the past, we
might try to defend the Pistons. But we can't.
Legler 也找到影帶證明活塞沒有心。當時 Mo 投了一顆三分，活塞有四個球員
圍在籃下，但籃板最後被 Joe 搶到。另外也秀出活塞在進攻上了無生氣的片段。
過去我們會想幫活塞說話。但這次做不到。

There's no defense for what we are seeing. Antonio McDyess at least had the
courage to call himself and his teammates out for not showing any heart.
我們看到的活塞是沒有防守的。至少袋鼠有勇氣承認他和他的隊友沒展現出任何決心。

But it's the same story. It may be new and shocking to the national media,
but we've been witnessing this all season. There is no fight left in the
veteran core of this team. It's either not there physically, mentally -- or
both.
對全國媒體來說或許是很震驚的消息，但我們整季看到的都是這樣的情況。這個球隊
的核心老將已經沒有奮鬥的心了。

Which brings us to the good news. There is no doubt about what needs to be
done this summer: An overhaul. At the beginning of the season, the plan was
to re-sign Rasheed Wallace as a backup, at a reduced salary, for another two
seasons.
所以好消息是，暑假的活塞需要大修。原本開季的計畫是要用兩年少一些的薪資
續簽 Sheed 來打替補。

That's probably not going to happen. The Pistons put up with Wallace's
distractions, tantrums, and taking nights off during the regular season (and
playoffs) because his production in the end always trumped the indiscretions.
看到 Sheed 季賽和季後賽的表現後，這計畫或許不會執行了。

The production-to-indiscretion ratio is no longer in the team's favor. At 34,
Wallace has legs that are spent. He isn't the same disruptive defensive force
he used to be. He can't close out on the perimeter and get back to his man in
the post. He can't protect the lane, and his offense has grown more
inefficient each season. It's been an enchanting, at times enraging, but
nevertheless unforgettable six-year run. At the beginning of the season,
Tayshaun Prince was embedded into the fabric of this team's future. Now, not
so much.
Sheed 的防守不再那麼好。保護不了禁區。他的進攻每況愈下。開季時小王子被劃入
球隊的未來中。現在，不太是這樣了。

If the Pistons are going to rebuild and add a young, elite-level forward,
they may not be able to go the free-agent route. It might have to come
through a trade, and if that's the case, the most valuable chip other than
picks is Prince.
如果活塞要重建，補一個年輕頂級的小前鋒，自由球員市場或許是行不通的。如果要
靠交易的話，比選秀權更好的籌碼就是小王子了。

Prince has two years and about $25.1 million left on his contract, far from
unmovable. The Raptors have shown interest just as the Pistons have barely
hid their interest in forward Chris Bosh. Nobody is saying that will happen.
But Prince is no longer untouchable.
小王子還有兩年大概兩千五百萬的合約。暴龍曾對他表示興趣，活塞也幾乎沒隱瞞
過對 Bosh 的喜愛。沒有人說這交易會發生。但小王子不再是不可動的人了。

（連續四行結尾是「了」） XD

The Pistons do want to re-sign McDyess, also a free agent in July. But with
the way this season has ended, you couldn't blame McDyess for seeking another
opportunity elsewhere.
活塞會想續簽袋鼠。但球季這樣的結束，你就不能責怪袋鼠會想去其他地方找機會。


http://dananbaplayoff.blogspot.com/2009/04/playoff-observations.html

By Dana Gauruder / The Oakland Press

Their starters have been alarmingly unfocused and listless. That's especially
true of Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince.
活塞的先發極度的不專注且無精打彩。特別是 Sheed 和小王子。

I remember watching Ben Wallace in his final year with the Pistons, thinking
'He's lost it. He doesn't have the same explosion anymore.'
我記得班蛙活塞最後一年就是這樣。

Same thing this year with Sheed, though Sheed's at an age where you expect
that. He just doesn't have the mobility to be a special defensive player
anymore, as he was during his first 3 or 4 seasons in Detroit.
Sheed 也是一樣，但依他的年紀這是可以料想到的。他不再是特別的防守球員。

Prince is a more maddening case. He seems to be full of excuses every
postseason. Before, he'd decline in the conference finals. This year, he's
gone into the tank from the start. He's averaging 6 points in his last six
postseason games.
小王子就是比較讓人生氣的例子。他幾乎每次球權都有滿滿的藉口。過去他在分區
冠軍戰表現就會下滑。今年他從一開始就這樣了。過去六場季後賽平均只有六分。

I have to believe Joe D. is thinking the same thing. To somehow challenge the
Cavs and LeBron in future years, he needs someone who's at least willing to
stand up to LeBron and also make him work at the defensive end. Prince
appears mentally defeated against Cleveland before the game starts.
我相信 Dumars 也認為未來要能給騎士和 LBJ 一些挑戰，他需要一個至少願意勇敢面對
LBJ ，還要讓他在防守端上做些努力的人。小王子顯然在賽前精神上就被騎士打敗了。

Don't be surprised if one of the moves that Joe makes this offseason is a
change at small forward. The restructuring of this team is going to take more
than an inside scoring option and a shooter off the bench.
所以 Dumars 如果暑假換掉小前鋒可別驚訝。


http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-04-22/on-lacking-leadership/

On lacking leadership

Published by Matt Watson on April 22, 2009 in 2009 Playoffs.

Granted, both of these players are dinged up, but this late in the season,
everybody is. Just a few weeks ago, I was of the mind that re-signing Wallace
to a modest two-year deal would be a smart decision, especially if he
understood he was going to be phased out of the starting lineup. Now, I’m
not so sure. As for Prince, we’ve been waiting for years for him to take the
next step. Realistically, it’s just not going to happen — time flies, but
he turns 30 next year.
幾星期前我原本想說用兩年續簽 Sheed 是個聰明的決擇，特別是如果他能了解他會
慢慢被移出先發陣容的話。但現在我不這麼確定了。至於小王子，我們等了好幾年希望
他能有所進步。但並沒有發生，他明年也要三十了。

What’s even more frustrating than the lack of on-court production is the
apparent lack of fire. For all the talk about how the Celtics would have been
a better matchup, Kevin Garnett actually seems to instill more fire and
confidence in his teammates than any of Detroit’s starters — and he’s yet
to even done a uniform.
再來就是鬥志的問題。KG 對他的隊友的信心，逐漸灌輸給他們的鬥志就勝過任何活塞
先發，他還穿著球衣坐場邊。

I’m reluctant to post this because I hate to pile on the negativity, but as
someone who’s watched as many Pistons games as anybody the last several
years, this team just doesn’t have the same fire.
但過去幾年活塞的鬥志不再了。

There’s a serious leadership vacuum on this roster, and until it’s filled,
it won’t matter who’s traded or signed. I don’t subscribe to the theory
that you need a superstar to win, but an alpha dog in the locker room to keep
everybody accountable is almost always a prerequisite for success. Ben
Wallace used to fill that role, and no one’s taken the torch since. That’s
not necessarily Wallace or Prince’s fault, just like it’s not necessarily
Rip or McDyess or Stuckey’s fault. But that’s the reality this team faces.
活塞少了一個領袖。這跟明星球員無關。以前的活塞是班蛙，他走後就沒人了。這不是
小王子或 Sheed 的錯，也不是 Rip、袋鼠或 Stuckey的錯。

I’m not saying the players don’t care — I think they do — but it’s one
thing to take responsibility for yourself and another to demand it from your
teammates. The issue of “accountability” isn’t new — it was the most
frequently used talking point by the players in the locker room after being
eliminated last year — but in the past it’s been dressed up as a coach’s
responsibility, which was the biggest reason Flip Saunders got chased out of
town. But as we should have learned by now, it’s not.
我不是說球員不在意，我認為他們在意。但為自己負起責任是一回事，要求隊友
又是另一回事。去年被淘汰後"負起責任"這詞常被提及，但過去這常被認為是教練
的職責，也是老桑被趕走的最重要原因。但就現在看來，還是沒做好。

Everything begins with the players. Garnett (who, incidentally, got along
famously with Saunders) knows this, as do the best players on every other
legitimate contender. Until a voice in Detroit’s locker room either emerges
or is acquired who accepts the responsibility as task master (and until the
rest of the roster respects that player’s place), nothing will change.
每件事都因球員而起。Garnett 了解這點，每個有奪冠實力球隊中的最佳球員也都知道。
除非活塞休息室有人開始願意承擔這個責任，或有人願意接受這個任務（且讓每個球員
信服），不然活塞還是一樣。


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※ 編輯: pennymarcus     來自: 163.25.121.62        (04/23 16:01)
推 Uber:看來五虎班底可能都要掰了~~~~~~@o@
→ Uber:揪竟~~~~~~P妹會情歸何處呢 (爆)
→ freijaking:MC:我認為我們還能贏下這系列
→ freijaking:Curry: I'm gonna ban myself.
推 bahamutuh:有MC在 不意外
→ bahamutuh:現在活塞隊連個"目標"都沒有
推 tc89:其實我很想問隊長現在到底是誰 官網的Roster某天突然消失記號
推 LTP:小王子和RIP的樣子
推 tc89:這兩場我覺得Sheed跟Prince兩個人的低迷表現和表現出來的消極
→ LTP:其實讓小王子走也好啦  搞不好去別的地方會找到更適合他的打法
→ tc89:那種愁雲慘霧的氛圍對球隊其實不是好事情 可能跟日前就有傳出
→ tc89:暑假有打算交易他的打算也有關
→ tc89:我記得以前就三隊長 CB+RIP+Prince 但時好像自從把CB交易走
→ tc89:官網roster的隊長記號就消失掉了 可是外電也沒看到其他消息
推 malone321214:小王子每年都是最累的人.
推 LTP:也許今年小王子有下滑啦 我覺得他今年有些時候打的很不果決
→ LTP:不過你要是想想  每場比賽都是小王子出去守別隊的第一得分手
→ LTP:那種體力的耗費根本看不出來  不像是有些人只要得分就好
→ LTP:況且去年小王子第一輪對76人時  整個數據硬是把小ai比下去
推 tc89:也許也是 他這幾年操下來累積的傷害大概也不比其他人少
→ tc89:所以在進攻的戰術上比較少設計他當主攻選擇 通常是負責策應
→ LTP:反而是槍西對上A.Miller效果不太好  沒有對方打的出色
→ tc89:他對明星球員的一對一防守確實不錯 但是遇到高壯型SF真的很累
→ LTP:以前槍西在的時候 很常就是小王子和rip一人跑一邊
→ LTP:小王子有一招還是跑出來後再從中路跑進去禁區 槍西馬上傳給他
→ LTP:灌籃  這招今年到現在我還沒有看過
→ chaffy:如果Sheed跟Prince都走了... 那記憶中的活塞也就結束了
推 il2985:重建了.............換血來個猛的吧!!!
推 ntoufatman:走了王子才是最傷的～Needforsheed也很傷..
推 friven2002:怎沒人檢討管理階層，一開季就說要交易誰，搞的一點都
→ friven2002:沒有向心力，要是看到自己的教練是這種料，關鍵拿不出
→ friven2002:辦法，油條球員一定沒心打，準備等被交易再說吧
→ friven2002:至於板凳，要拼個人數據當然要衝一點，所以不意外
→ friven2002:SHEED根本不是老了，他根本沒心在活塞了
→ friven2002:到別隊還不至於打替補，不要約約一起去金塊
推 ntoufatman:還沒放暑假，我們已經在討論放暑假了..XD
推 ntoufatman:希望槍西抽空打電話給我們先發一下，應該比練球有用～
推 tc89:看到去金塊我就笑出來了
推 bluestaral:打電話給我們先發  然後叫他們一起去金塊?XD
推 ntoufatman:槍西：你們來金塊，我會叫班蛙一起過來，創個新紀錄.
→ bluestaral:那我考慮要不要支持 丹佛活塞隊....對了 甜瓜本來可能
→ bluestaral:也是我們的
推 vi6:這時候要有個人跳出來
推 ntoufatman:Sharpe：你們走了我就有機會上場了！
推 kyoyagami:Chris報導有夠鄉民.....他真的是隨隊記者嗎
推 tc89:結論:其實是Sharpe挑撥，為了把大家逼走爭取上場時間 (驚)
推 twister527:唉...MJ退休後 過好久才喜歡上一支球隊的...
推 friven2002:說說SHEED的部分，目前留在這裡人大部分都有跟所有季賽
→ friven2002:可以看出為何今年中鋒還有防守籃板都被予取予求
→ friven2002:我的觀察是前場都是無法鎖住第一步，以致突破被飛身到
→ friven2002:禁區，所以今年禁區看起來很軟，只要補防不是加一就是
→ friven2002:被妙傳底線禁區，造成內線永遠補不完，這對打習慣團體
→ friven2002:戰的內線士氣很傷，加上進攻爛，惡性循環罷了
推 RH01033:再組個壞孩子三代吧!
推 goodtoy1229:這言論太結果論了,現在打得有氣無力.原因很多.
→ goodtoy1229:如果Prince難用,MC之前還會狂操他??
→ goodtoy1229:Prince現在的疲累也很有可能是之前那段狂操造成的阿
→ goodtoy1229:球員的有氣無力不見得是生理上的,可能是情緒上的.
→ goodtoy1229:Sheed我就覺得是情緒上的影響,球迷都罵MC罵翻天了.
→ goodtoy1229:球員因為自己的本份當然教練說啥就是啥.
→ goodtoy1229:但我就真的不信球員們自己會不知道這教練真正幾兩重..
推 tc89:其實我覺得這兩位多半都是情緒上的問題居多 整體氛圍太低迷了
推 wilbear:不意外的報導 大部分跟我之前說的一樣 老將已經沒有心了
→ wilbear:王子知道自己在的隊早不是他想待的..沒精神不意外的..
→ wilbear:但03~06這段期間的活塞 還是我心目中最棒的球隊...
→ wilbear:那種無私 團隊打法的籃球 才是最高境界..
推 baronterry:已經沒了ˊˋ
推 tc89:近十年最完美的球隊 已經在Ben老化離開後就開始慢慢消失了..