[轉錄][轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin

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標題[轉錄][轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin

時間Tue Feb 9 08:02:22 2010

※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板] 作者: danielprince (丹尼爾王子) 看板: NBA 標題: [轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin 時間: Mon Feb 8 23:19:07 2010 ※ [本文轉錄自 Celtics 看板] 作者: SULICon (Puff Gasoft) 看板: Celtics 標題: [Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin 時間: Mon Feb 8 21:11:40 2010 新聞出處(必填):http://0rz.tw/VfweT http://0rz.tw/FFq87 作者:Ken Berger Celtics, Allen on trade clock Few grand conclusions can be drawn from February NBA games. But in this case, the Celtics' latest disappointing loss only underscored what has been a poorly kept secret among NBA executives for weeks: Ray Allen's time in Boston is likely coming to an end. Thanks to a non-competitive third quarter, the Celtics fell to Orlando 96-89 on Sunday, dropping them to third in the East behind the Cavs and Magic. The struggling Celtics still have three games against Cleveland to prove they haven't fallen from elite status. But after going 1-3 against Orlando and 0-4 against Atlanta, the Celtics have reached a crossroads in their bid to milk one more championship banner out of the Allen-Paul Pierce-Kevin Garnett era. Don't bet on every member of the Big Three being around beyond the Feb. 18 trade deadline. Though team president Danny Ainge has publicly ridiculed the Allen trade reports, several NBA executives told CBSSports.com that the Celtics have been actively trying to parlay Allen's $19.7 million expiring contract into an asset that could keep them in the mix during the upcoming playoffs and also help them for the next several seasons. The most recent inquiry, sources say, involved Sacramento sharpshooter Kevin Martin, who'd be a good fit with Boston's remaining core. Kings officials might be talked out of their reluctance to deal Martin if they could pry a prolific big man out of a third team brought into the discussions or in a separate transaction before the deadline. The bottom line is that Ainge, who saved his job by pulling off the perfect storm of trades that yielded Allen and Garnett three years ago, has made it clear in private conversations that he's "not going back to the abyss," according to one person familiar with the discussions. "Danny has said, 'I can't go back to square one where we were prior to the Garnett deal,'" the person said. "At the All-Star break, they’re going to look in the mirror and say, 'Cleveland got better, we can't beat Orlando, and we can't even beat the Hawks. We’re not going to win it this year.'" If the Celtics kept Allen and let his contract come off the books, they'd still be over the cap this summer with no avenues besides sign-and-trades to acquire a starting shooting guard. That's why Boston also has expressed interest in the Bulls' Kirk Hinrich, an excellent defender and ball-handler who would give the Celtics a starting two guard next season at $9 million and in 2011-12 at $8 million. The Bulls' motivation would be cap relief. The Kings, who are not planning to be big free-agent shoppers this summer, aren't seeking to acquire cap space alone. They want assets -- and the Celtics don't have a young big man to offer. The Bulls, who almost certainly will move Tyrus Thomas, might need to be invited into that conversation to satisfy everyone's needs. Whatever avenue they pursue, the Celtics don't want to go into this summer with no cap flexibility and no assets that could be used to keep them among the elite. Before Ainge struck the 2007 draft-related deal for Allen and then plucked Garnett from Minnesota with the help of former teammate Kevin McHale, the Celtics had just endured a 24-win season and hadn't been out of the first round since 2002-03. Ainge and Doc Rivers were on the brink of getting fired until the perfect remedy presented itself -- and the Celtics parlayed the Allen and Garnett deals into their 17th NBA title. "Kevin McHale's out of the league," one rival executive said, only half-joking. "So they're not going to be able to recreate that deal again." The period leading up to that was so grim that nobody in the organization wants to revisit it. The best way to avoid such a scenario would be to part ways with Allen. It wouldn't be starting over. Instead, it would be a bold attempt to have a chance against Cleveland, Orlando, and Atlanta in the playoffs and avoid going back to the depths of rebuilding. Would you trade Ray Allen for Kevin Martin? 72% Yes ████████ 902 votes 27% No ███ 349 votes -- ┌這篇文章讓您覺得？─────────────────────────────┐ │ │ │ 一"一 \ / >\\\< ╯ ╰ ∩ ∩ ▁ ▁ ＞＿＜ㄧㄧ+ │ │ 皿 ε □ ▽ ▇Δ ▇ ╰╯ ╯ │ │ 北七亂喔害羞莎笅爽啦哭爸ＸＤ科科 │ └───────────────────http://www.wretch.cc/album/sulicon──┘ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.136.56.219

推 gapcel :險路勿近啊~不過我們真的需要個妹妹頭殺手... 02/08 21:15

推 nick13tw :順便把Rando一起打包換evans吧.. 02/08 21:15

推 ckshera :完了 02/08 21:24

→ brominelove :rumor愈來愈多了看來今年說不定會成真… 02/08 21:27

推 iecdalu :唉~希望三巨頭不要拆夥啊阿炮走就超惋惜的 02/08 21:40

推 gaiaesque :no......... 02/08 21:54

推 xhole :KM太玻璃人了吧風險頗高的投資 02/08 21:55

推 pohao522 :乳摸講不完～無止盡的迴圈！等成真再說～ 02/08 22:01

→ fk920 :72% 是C's官網投票的結果嗎...orz 02/08 22:07

→ aringring :ray不要走！走了我就沒動力早起看比賽了............ 02/08 22:10

推 nogoodlaugh :Martin健康的話進攻可期待防守會是洞 02/08 22:11

→ nogoodlaugh :不過只拿到Martin...也不太想換應該還有更棒的交易 02/08 22:12

→ nogoodlaugh :加個Casspi好了...慢慢想XD 02/08 22:14

推 boy80421 :NO!!!!!!!! 02/08 22:18

推 wilson78225 :完了 02/08 22:29

推 fascinated :如果ray得走希望能把ray送去強隊想看他打季後賽 02/08 22:37

→ fascinated :老實說如果好好用ray能撐至少2-3年像hill那樣 02/08 22:39

→ fascinated :希望看到的是他光榮退休不是被遺棄而淡出NBA 02/08 22:41

推 atyin :有看到三方交易換來Igoudala 這我還比較能接受 02/08 22:50

→ david760615 :會有乳摸不意外第三節先發打這麼爛全部都該被幹譙 02/08 22:53

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推 NicoRobin26 :... 02/08 23:19

→ NicoRobin26 :YES的好多 02/08 23:20

※ Yocoldagain:轉錄至看板 Kings 02/08 23:20

推 Yocoldagain :THX 02/08 23:21

推 dmdjjj :這.................@@ 02/08 23:24

推 clkdtm32 :這個...超賽又要回來了... 02/08 23:24

推 banbantone :@@ 02/08 23:25

→ kennest :KM防守不怎麼好...我想看defensive的賽隊啊 02/08 23:25

推 pt725a :真是這樣超賽賺翻了!!! Martin超準...又很年輕!! 02/08 23:26

推 aik1212 :國王會不會交易後又買斷Allen,只要到期約清薪資 02/08 23:27

→ pt725a :超賽要的是射手不是大鎖... 而且KM又比較年輕... 02/08 23:27

→ ss88812 :玻璃馬丁= = 真的交易的話怕他受傷又影響球隊磨合 02/08 23:28

→ clkdtm32 :ALLEN交易過去買斷再回超賽我們超賽超強的啦 02/08 23:30

推 mysterio619 :被愷愷戳中笑點... 02/08 23:30

→ ss88812 :暗黑兵法不是馬刺專用的嗎XD 02/08 23:31

→ richard1003 :有賺嗎?Martin又玻璃防守又爛約又長..... 02/08 23:33

→ momofishj :.......... 02/08 23:34

→ gaiaesque :偽賽迷真High 02/08 23:34

推 JoshSmith :KM 防守差主要是心態問題，若到BOS應該可以改善。 02/08 23:37

→ JoshSmith :BOS 越來越老如果不想大幅度重建的話，運用到期合約 02/08 23:37

推 philipsunboy:KM得分能力很強喔這樣跟PP感覺頗猛 02/08 23:37

→ JoshSmith :的交易其實是非常不錯的。 02/08 23:37

→ philipsunboy:KM到BOS的話國王一哥Evans正式接棒可以打SG 02/08 23:38

推 DeonBon :oh..no..Allen不要走～～～～ 02/08 23:39

推 xhole :換KM不如去換小AI 02/08 23:41

推 davy50707 :國王隊需要的是禁區球員... 02/08 23:41

→ davy50707 :但如果是Scalabrine就算了= = 02/08 23:41

推 clkdtm32 :幹嘛看不起吉祥物?他也是有外線能力的好不好 02/08 23:42

→ davy50707 :說真的啦一對一的話雷槍換得到KM已經是搶劫了 02/08 23:43

→ davy50707 :外線能力跟國王隊要的禁區戰力是兩碼子事 02/08 23:43

推 airwun :Allen別走... 02/08 23:47

推 clkdtm32 :要不然再加一個PERKINS 02/08 23:50

推 chansexy :不可能吧國王把好物換夕陽幹麻.好歹也換個潛力吧 02/08 23:50

→ chansexy :根本不太可能對國王來說完全沒好處阿 02/08 23:51

推 vvnbear :一換一國王虧吧@@ Ray已經在走下坡了 KM還年輕 02/08 23:55

推 kingroy :國王沒好處+1..除非國王明年要搶人..ex:阿罵 02/08 23:56

→ kingroy :如果動機是要搶阿罵/龍王,倒可以解釋國王想要這樣做 02/08 23:57

→ kingroy :的原因..現在戰績應該是要等樂透區選秀了.. 02/08 23:58

→ kingroy :不過..國王握著Evans就敢這樣子換..有點抖.. 02/08 23:59

→ chansexy :國王應該不太想換吧:p KM跟TE沒有排斥的很明顯 02/09 00:00

推 vvnbear :重點是國王就算用了Allen的到期約真的能簽到大魚嗎? 02/09 00:01

→ vvnbear :完全看不出國王有什麼誘因可以簽到那些大魚 02/09 00:02

→ chansexy :Casspi KM TE 十年不用擔心後場:p.交易出去不太可能 02/09 00:03

推 Yocoldagain :差了8歲年輕也是KM的優點多數人放大他缺點並不公平 02/09 00:03

推 kingroy :手上的一堆到期約,薪資空間上是夠的,加上年輕球員最 02/09 00:04

推 vvnbear :要換也是換禁區 Evans有獨當一面的架勢 02/09 00:05

→ kingroy :多可以用QO,TO,之類的延長到四年上下.. 02/09 00:05

→ vvnbear :找一個攻守有一定水準的SG不難換Allen根本沒未來 02/09 00:05

→ vvnbear :畢竟...國王是樂透區的球隊 02/09 00:06

推 kingroy :能換到攻守有一定水準的SG不難?當下去跟哪支球隊換? 02/09 00:08

→ kingroy : 找 02/09 00:08

推 clkdtm32 :KOBE 02/09 00:08

→ SULICon :Allen那張約19M耶～ 02/09 00:08

→ kingroy :選秀能選到?還是要透過自由市場找?後兩個選項都嘛要 02/09 00:09

→ kingroy :等到明年.. 02/09 00:09

推 justlovekiss:個人覺得不會 = = 02/09 00:10

推 kingroy :我是覺得國王虧,前提看國王是不是想投入自由市場.. 02/09 00:12

推 Verlander35 :之前是有消息說為了養evans 所以想交易KM啦 02/09 00:12

→ kingroy :一起玩10年搶人這樣.. 02/09 00:13

→ Verlander35 :不過也不急吧反正年輕搞不好能磨合好就不用交易了 02/09 00:13

推 aidsai :馬丁的約哪裡爛又長了....很蠢ㄝ!!!便宜又大碗的球員 02/09 00:16

推 vvnbear :SG和SF這種搖擺人NBA太多了相較之下禁區超缺的 02/09 00:16

→ Verlander35 :國王缺肉柱是缺c還是pf？如果是c的話那湖人的DJ簽 02/09 00:18

推 live4132 :國王大虧阿.... 02/09 00:19

→ Verlander35 :來當苦工還算堪用啦 02/09 00:19

推 Cannelloni :千萬別換.... 02/09 00:21

推 knight505 :這什麼鬼..... 02/09 00:21

→ knight505 :換了的話, 超賽的外圍投射誰來扛? 02/09 00:22

推 IWF :樓上的不會以為馬丁不準吧... 02/09 00:23

推 DKing :樓樓上大概不認識馬丁 02/09 00:23

推 clkdtm32 :KM的外線應該也是不錯的吧... 02/09 00:23

推 knight505 :宮城和雷槍的性質是一樣的嗎 = = 02/09 00:24

→ amox :是漫畫人物? 02/09 00:25

→ DKing :去查查數據吧都是射手.. 02/09 00:25

推 clkdtm32 :而且他跑位應該又更快了吧... 02/09 00:25

推 forever23 :超賽這樣換我不看好唷 02/09 00:28

噓 winnabe :靠一堆人不認識KM的在說KM爛搞不懂耶 02/09 00:29

→ winnabe :KM年輕又便宜去看看他的績效吧 BOS虧? 笑死人 02/09 00:32

推 ree001122 :看不下去了是以為我們球隊成績濫就沒有好球員嗎 = = 02/09 00:32

→ spy007city :塞爾提克會不會太賺了! 02/09 00:33

推 ttttted :國王總管沒有灰熊總管人那麼好 02/09 00:33

→ ree001122 :KM是全聯盟前幾名的高效率得分機器不認識就別亂說 02/09 00:34

推 tiberian :KM擁有C's目前很缺乏的賴犯規能力，然而雷槍這樣無私 02/09 00:34

→ tiberian :又有強大能力的團隊球員也很難尋了。 02/09 00:34

推 Yocoldagain :科科科想搶劫國王就來吧 /Petrie 02/09 00:35

推 NicoRobin26 :問一下 KM需要很長的持球時間嗎? 02/09 00:35

推 DeAmorFati :推K$ 不讓你換! 02/09 00:35

→ tiberian :個人還是希望交易不要成行。 02/09 00:36

推 tzymo :最恐怖的是有人連KM是射手都不知道哭哭這麼沒名氣 02/09 00:36

推 winnabe :不用~ 他有經歷過舊國王時期球越順越強賴犯規也強 02/09 00:37

→ clkdtm32 :雖然他的姿勢怪...但是真的還蠻準的 02/09 00:41

推 iamaq18c :KM過去的話超賽賺很大因為他不需要長時間持球 02/09 00:41

→ iamaq18c :防守意識去超賽應該都會拉得起來至少可以到中規中矩 02/09 00:41

推 ooxxman :很賺風險應該還是在他的玻璃娃娃般的身體傷了就... 02/09 00:42

推 knight505 :那快換吧升級的超賽感覺很恐怖 02/09 00:42

→ iamaq18c :如果他去超賽的話應該也輪不到他受傷在外圍呆就好 02/09 00:42

→ iamaq18c :不用殺進殺出會減少很多受傷的風險 02/09 00:42

推 kingpredrag :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgN0BLl5h0 02/09 00:43

推 vvnbear :以為KM是宮城?? 真的是太誇張了當成K-Mart也就算了 02/09 00:43

→ kingpredrag :我們家馬丁，請不吝指教^^ 02/09 00:43

→ skitshady :外型很像阿有什麼好誇張 02/09 00:45

推 Allenkkk :以為是狀元馬丁...科科 02/09 00:45

噓 Garcia32 :說km爛的可以看過比賽再說嗎? 這個交易是國王虧吧 02/09 00:46

推 ourear :KM叫宮城已經好幾年有了啊. 02/09 00:49

推 tkalien :速度快外線準這樣外線還扛不起來的話那.. 02/09 00:50

→ loquito :快換呀 RAY可以教新人王投籃也是個傳承 02/09 00:50

推 stocktonty :這樣倫艾倫會哭吧...傳奇射手生涯末期被當成交易籌碼 02/09 00:51

推 Garcia32 :馬丁較宮城已經好幾年了 02/09 00:52

→ loquito :球迷是感性的生意是冷血事實他最有價值來交易 02/09 00:52

→ clkdtm32 :Garcia電動裡面好準... 02/09 00:53

推 onedge :......... 不准換 02/09 00:53

推 ree001122 :http://tinyurl.com/yzqwb6b 補圖瞧瞧他的帥氣臉龐 02/09 00:53

→ loquito :Penny的弟弟XD 02/09 00:54

推 k8k8 :樓上的圖像KOBE 02/09 00:54

→ k8k8 :試時候KOBE該上場救援了 02/09 00:54

推 Garcia32 :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ytzGxxB1g 02/09 00:56

推 mea7211 :會被當成籌碼就代表還有價值真正會哭的是連交易價值 02/09 01:21

→ mea7211 :都沒有的球員… 02/09 01:22

→ clkdtm32 :例如? 02/09 01:25

推 k7117836 :覺得這樣換兩邊都沒啥好處 02/09 01:25

推 TWN5566 :不知道在噓啥沒幾人說KM不好倒是一堆人覺得國王虧 02/09 01:41

推 Amilous :國王很賺啊 KM的約這麼久又貴重點是那麼容易受傷 02/09 01:53

→ Amilous :KM for zero 省錢國王都覺得賺 02/09 01:53

→ Amilous :反正是個雙贏的交易國王想省錢 Bos想避免重建 02/09 01:54

推 kingroy :覺得虧是因為Martin的約跟Allen大小有差,要交易國王 02/09 01:58

→ kingroy :要再加東西,而國王現在手上一堆都是到期約,扔沒用的 02/09 01:59

→ kingroy :多半都會扔到到期約,扔長約會動到主力.. 02/09 01:59

推 Amilous :大概會加Nocioni或Udrih啊這兩隻約比較長 02/09 02:02

→ Amilous :不過不想動到這兩個就拿Thomas或Rahim到期約換 02/09 02:04

→ Amilous :一樣是到期約至少可以多清掉KM這四年大約 02/09 02:04

推 Amilous :國王重建主力就Evans Hawes Thompson Casspi Greene 02/09 02:07

推 Kreen :賺翻了～ 02/09 02:07

推 psdc258 :KM和Rondo配總覺得怪怪的 02/09 02:16

推 kingpredrag :A兄一點都不了解國王還說的振振有辭，加油，好嗎? 02/09 02:20

推 karta1535575:KEVIN MARTIN 在老外裡面真的算很清秀帥氣 02/09 02:25

推 hihi29 :國王丟KM絕對不會是省錢的因素好嗎? 02/09 02:26

推 aidsai :看到清掉KM的大約就很好笑了 ~ 乾脆全部買斷全部清掉 02/09 02:40

→ aidsai :這樣有沒有達到省錢的目的 !!!??? 02/09 02:41

噓 ttttted :A開頭的是來亂的吧 02/09 02:59

推 chinhan1216 :超塞換到很賺 02/09 03:26

推 harddaynight:軟豆:在沒競爭力的球隊刷分沒啥了不起先叫聲學長來 02/09 07:02

→ harddaynight:聽聽 02/09 07:02

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