作者ckshchen (簡單的夢想)
看板Rockets
標題Re: [外電] Rockets lose to the Lakers in OT, drop to 8th seed,
時間Fri Apr 19 02:50:05 2013
大意翻一下
由於我的英文小洞不斷,請大家指正囉
It’s 7:07 A.M. right now at the time of writing. I’ve had a little over
six hours now to digest last night’s loss. I’ve calmed down a bit and am
glad I stepped away when I did. Had I not, I would have certainly written
things I’d later regret – things fueled by pure, unadulterated anger. As I
said last night, I was livid. In fact, I don’t think I can even recall the
last time I’ve been so upset during and after a Houston Rockets game.
現在是凌晨七點鐘,寫了文章頭有點痛
經過六個小時候
我稍微冷靜一點了
如果我沒稍微冷靜一點
寫出來的文字連我自己都害怕啊~~~~~
我會變成一個不成熟的憤怒者
The unfortunate part is that this should be a time for celebration. The team
will be playing its first playoff game since 2009, and its first playoff game
in Red94′s existence. Instead, all I feel right now is anger: anger over
the way the team completely choked at the end, for the second year in a row,
snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and bumbling away a golden chance
to face a hobbled Spurs team against whom some felt they can beat. Instead,
they will now open at Oklahoma City, the expected Western Conference champion.
這段時間本來該是值得慶祝的
火箭從2009年後再次進入季後賽
不過我一點都高興不起來
我超不爽
最後這幾場比賽真的超令人不爽
白白浪費能夠對上馬刺的大好機會.........稍微有可能突破第一輪的選擇
現在勒
要對上雷霆
Last night’s meltdown started and ended in predictable fashion in the same
manner in which we’ve seen far too many losses this season. The Rockets
began the 4th with another one of Kevin McHale’s patented smallball lineups,
one that saw journeyman Carlos Delfino guarding the 7-foot Pau Gasol. Both
Jeremy Lin and James Harden sat on the bench–a predicament which by any
evaluative measure, either statistical or observational, should absolutely
never occur yet for some baffling reason continues to with unacceptable
frequency–and things played out as expected. The Lakers, with the size
advantage, gained momentum and then never looked back. That’s really all it
takes in the NBA. One lineup error for a one-minute stretch and the game
turns. I had written all along, through the first three quarters, that while
Houston was leading, one just didn’t feel comfortable. Things got much
worse, though.
昨天晚上的失敗,不意外
這樣的劇本本季已經發生好多次了
又一次的,火箭隊又失去了他們的勝利
感謝飛天小冰箱
第四節開場又放上小球戰術
後宮甄環德妃對上七呎的娘娘
然後哈林同時在板凳上
不管你是印象派大師還是數據派的
都不該做出這樣的決定,太不合理了
湖人隊就靠著身高優勢搶到了領先,然後一去不復還
這在NBA很常見
一分鐘錯,滿盤皆輸
我累了
我已經寫了好多好多場神奇寶貝的劇本
火箭隊先囂張威武了前3/4時間
然後最後就好討厭的感覺..............
而且看起來更糟糕了
The starters were brought back in and what ensued over the next several
minutes, spanning from the latter half of the 4th quarter through overtime,
was what I described last night, in the moment, as a complete and utter
disgrace. Now let’s take a quick moment to step back for some perspective:
the Rockets choking in the clutch is nothing new. In fact, I wrote about it
just the other day. Their league-leading offense shrinks to one of the worst
in basketball in late-game situations. So this is a problem you saw coming.
Why it became so tough to stomach was because of the stakes and the stage,
and a duration which felt like an eternity.
在第四節的後半段和延長賽
先發的表現又回到了那個鳥樣,像我前一篇文章說的一樣
現在
我們來快速的看一下火箭這個沒任何新意的爛調度
事實上,我才剛寫完一篇這樣的東西啊!!!!!!!!
又要再一篇了
一個聯盟最強之矛的球隊
在最後階段表現得像樂透區球隊一樣
As is pretty much the case anytime the Rockets are involved in a close game
in the 4th quarter, the team completely abandoned its pick&roll offense,
resorting to the dreaded “hero-ball spread.” For those who have been
living in a cave, (or don’t have CSN), this is a set where, essentially
James Harden holds the ball at the top of the key while the other 4 players
spread out of the way. Harden then dribbles the ball for about 20 seconds
and chucks up some variation of a contested jumper, whether it be from
straightaway ’3′ or of the stepback variety within 2 point range.
恩 在最近幾場的比賽中
一到了第四節
火箭隊就完全放棄了擋切戰術
改選用了 英(球)雄(給)籃(哈)球(登)
哈登拿著球,其他人全都清開
哈登先拿著球玩了20秒
然後進行了一些很糟糕的跳投
這其中的一點點差別只在於這球是三分還是兩分
The offense completely sputtered, LA capitalized at the other end and
maintained the lead. Chandler Parsons then hit perhaps the flattest 3 point
shot in the history of basketball, everyone on Twitter erupted, and the game
went to overtime.
進攻完全解開放印的湖人隊取得了領先
還好要加薪的高富帥丟了一顆超級平射砲
射得推特上每個人都在尖叫
才得以進入延長賽
The Rockets then started out overtime, in creative fashion, running a few
isolation sets for Parsons. Those of course didn’t end well. Harden
started hogging again, got blocked a few times and the game ended. See you
in Oklahoma on TBD at TBD.
延長賽
火箭隊有了一點點的創意...........改換高富帥單打
不過都沒得分
既然創新不行,火箭隊又回到了老樣
哈登又開始了
然後連續被擋下好幾次,比賽結束
好吧
在不確定是某時某地的雷霆之戰
我們再看看吧
A few thoughts which may or may not end completely off topic: Who is to
blame: Harden or McHale? First, Harden. Actually, scratch that. Let’s say
the good first:
到底是哈登還是冰箱的責任呢?
在討論到底是哈登還是冰箱的責任前
我們可以先來討論一下優點
Omer Asik had one of his best games of the season, completely shutting down
Dwight Howard in the first half. Jeff Van Gundy remarked numerous times in
the first quarter, “I don’t understand why they’re doubling Howard against
Asik. His (Omer’s) defense is better than Howard’s offense.” I didn’t
understand McHale’s reasoning either. Of course, the double teams led to
numerous open 3′s in the first quarter, shots which enabled the Lakers to
stay in the game at that point. In any event, Asik sealed off the paint and
converted numerous other times offensively with violent slams.
Chandler Parsons really seems to play his best on national television.
Now, the bad:
阿西打出了本季最好的表現
完全讓魔獸無法發揮
Jeff Van Gundy在第一節講了同樣的話好幾次
"我不知道他們幹嘛double魔獸"
"阿西的防守遠勝於魔獸的進攻"
我也不懂冰箱的理由
這個double戰術讓三分射爽爽
阿西封鎖了禁區
不讓攻擊轉換輕易得逞
高富帥則是在這場全美轉播的比賽中
完全了表現出他有多帥
好了
優點講完了
講缺點
This was Harden’s worst game of the year. 30 points on 25 shots. Going
vigilante on offense (unless that was the call from the bench; more on this
later.) Bitching at teammates for his own mistakes. Interestingly, viewing
the fan reaction on Twitter and other venues, you can kind of sense the end
of the honeymoon for the faithful with Harden. Now in no means am I implying
that he isn’t adored. Unless J.J Watt were also running, Harden would win
any mayoral contest here – he’s basically put the Rockets back on the map
and given this city hope it hasn’t had in years. What I mean though is
that, we’ve entered that phase where, after the honeymoon, while you still
deeply adore your significant other, you no longer view them as The Second
Coming. You start to see the flaws and realize you’re going to have to cope
with them. That’s becoming the case with Harden. His abysmal defense has
already been extensively documented. Now it’s the late game hero-call
spontaneity and the bitching at teammates.
這是哈登今年最爛的比賽
出手25次只拿了三十分
在進攻上自己自作主張亂打
(除非這個行為是教練的指示)
因為自己的錯誤抱怨隊友..........
有趣的是,看看推特和其他粉絲頁上球迷的反應
球迷們和哈登的蜜月期結束了,開始回到現實
我不是在說哈登不值得我們尊敬
他這季的表現夠格領得休士頓市長獎
他把火箭隊又帶入了競爭集團
重新成為季後賽球隊
這已經好幾年沒發生了
I noted several times last night where Harden, after throwing an errant pass
to Asik, which Asik predictably failed to reel in, barked at the Turk on the
way back down. This is something I’ve seen many other times over the course
of this season. I quipped on Twitter that this is quickly becoming an
abusive relationship as Asik just turns, puts his head down and meekly runs
back to the other side of the court. The irony here is that for all of the
times Asik has covered for Harden on the defensive end, you’d think he’d
have boughten him a Rolex by now or something.
昨晚我發現發生了好多次
哈登亂傳給阿西,球沒了
哈登在回防的時候一邊跑一邊朝著阿西碎念
本季我已經看過了很多次這樣的情況了
我在推特上打趣的說
阿西很快的會變成M傾向,一個受虐狂
頭低低然後跑向球場的另一端去防守
更諷刺的是
阿西客在防守上幫哈登了補了很多網
所以你會想著
哈登可能是送了阿西勞力士錶或著其他的
才讓阿西這樣做
Sidenote: A friend and I have
a theory that the only way to stop the abuse is to nip it in the bud from the
get-go. Did you ever have that fat friend in childhood who never said
anything when everyone picked on him and made fat jokes? What happens is
that after the initial taunts are not met with rebuke, it becomes ingrained
in the public gestalt that such ridicule is acceptable. This then
perpetuates the abuse. Same thing in sports. You’ll often see that teams
are quick to heap blame on one particular whipping boy, even when
unjustified, simply because they’ve let it be known that they’ll allow it.
額外想法:
我和我朋友有個理論
要阻止一個錯誤的行為
最好的方法就是在這行為剛開始的時候就去阻止他
你小時候有沒有一個很可憐的胖朋友
他什麼都沒說,人家就會主動跑去嘲笑他
.............
翻一翻發現沒什麼關聯性
就是作者認為不能讓這情況習以為常
McHale: I wrote this summer, in my evaluation of his performance last season,
that Kevin McHale deserved a C+. What was an ‘A’ for his handling of such
a young team was brought down to a ‘C’ for his role in one of the greatest
meltdowns in franchise history. That same can be said for this season though
not to the same degree as this loss is in no way comparable to a 6 game late
season losing streak. It’s simple, and Jeff Van Gundy has said it himself.
When a team gets blown out, its on the players. When they lose close games,
especially in the exact same manner every time, that’s on the coaching.
Whether ISOball is the call from the bench or Harden is going off cue is a
subject for later debate, but there is simply no justification for some of
the completely unimaginative plays the Rockets have run out of timeouts.
Throw a wrinkle in here and there. Instead of 4 guys watching Harden, how
about 3 guys watching Harden while one guy bends over to tie his shoes! I don
’t know…do something to vary it up. There is literally no excuse for the
game to end last night, on a critical possession, with Jeremy Lin chucking a
desperation 3 pointer after James Harden dribbled away 20 seconds from the
shot clock. None.
冰箱的評價:
我這季暑假就已經寫好了這篇了
根據上季的表現
我給他的評價是C+
本來該給他A的
因為他能帶領這年輕的球隊打成這樣
可是我給他C
因為他也讓球隊經歷了史上最大崩盤
所以同樣的
雖然沒危害到那種程度
可是一樣是很慘的季末六連敗
冰箱要負責任,這很簡單的,就像 Jeff Van Gundy說的
當球隊一面倒,球員要負最大的責任
可是當他們表現得勢均力敵
結果輸掉了
而且每一次輸掉的方式都一樣
這就是教練的錯
不管球給哈登的戰術是哈登自己的決定還是教練的決定都一樣
這點我們晚點在討論
我們先討論很淺而易見的問題
為什麼一個完整的暫停過後
還不能打出一個合理的戰術?
三個人看著哈登
一個人看著自己的鞋子綁鞋帶..........冏
這在幹嘛....我看不懂,能想辦法改變嗎?
昨晚的比賽沒有任何藉口
像其中有一球
哈登先運球玩了二十秒
然後把炸彈丟給了林書豪........
迫於無奈,林書豪只好勉強出手
(這球很印象深刻.....= =a )
Finally, it begs the transcendental debate: is it Harden or McHale? If we
build from the premise–regarding which everyone should be in agreement–that
the Rockets’ late-game offensive schemes are completely unacceptable, upon
whom should the fault be placed? There are those who put it on McHale,
believing that the total abandonment of the team’s actual offense is by
design. And then there are those put it on Harden, assuming that The Beard
is ad libbing off cue against his coach’s instructions. Either way, there’
s going to have to be a solution and you can bet it will be discussed: the
superiority of team offense over conventional crunchtime ISOball is almost
axiomatic in the stat-geek community. But what’s the solution? If McHale
is the problem, you just replace him. But if it’s Harden, there’s hope
too: numerous other young superstars, from Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan,
had to be reined in and made to understand the importance of trusting the
scheme and trusting their teammates. Remember: James is just 23. This is
his first time in the spotlight and he no doubt wants to prove his worth. I
suspect that with age and experience, these warts will change. But in many
cases, at least in Jordan’s and Kobe’s, it took a coach that the star
actually respected, for that transformation to occur. Now, I don’t want to
speculate, especially on the eve of the playoffs, but while we all may
disagree on the cause of the issue, we can agree it’s a problem that needs
to be fixed and probably won’t be addressed until the summer.
最後
要來個結論
到底是哈登還是冰箱的錯?
如果我們以每個人都該參與進攻的計畫為前題來說
昨晚火箭隊的表現完全令人無法接受
那到底誰該負責
如果這些進攻是他設計的
冰箱要負比較多的責任
假設教練的指示就是要大鬍子自己即興演出隨機應變
那哈登就要負責
但不管是哪個
總該有個解決問題的方法
我們可以賭賭看他們會不會檢討
單打籃球是球隊最多的進攻方式是不是怪怪的這件事情
但是就算討論了
有什麼解決方法嗎?
如果問題是冰箱,換掉他就好
如果問題是哈登,他是個明日之星
就像很多球星(kobe, jordan)年輕時候一樣
他們需要被克制約束,了解團隊的重要性
記得,哈登才23歲
這是他第一次當老大
他會急著證明自己的價值
我在想會隨著年齡和經驗成長
不過在很多球星的例子中,至少jordan和kobe
他們需要一個令他們欽佩服從的教練
這樣的轉變才會產生
現在 季後賽要來了
所以我先不想去做多餘的猜測找戰犯
不管我們認為戰犯到底是誰
至少我們都同意這是個很嚴重的問題
而且短期內不會解決
只能期待夏天了
Whatever happens, this was fun, and despite the ‘bad’, this was still an
unforgettable season and one of the most enjoyable in Rockets history,
primarily because of the efforts of the two men upon whom I just cast blame
above. Bring on the Thunder.
不管發生什麼事情
雖然還是有缺點
這仍然是個有趣而且令人難忘
甚至是火箭隊史上最有趣的球季之一
能有如此
這也是要感激我罵了整篇的這兩個人
來吧 雷霆!!
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我們還有六集可以跑!快跑!
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◆ From: 1.171.121.196
※ 編輯: ckshchen 來自: 1.171.121.196 (04/19 02:56)
推 Aswind:推!! 希望哈登不會被慣(寵)壞了 04/19 02:56
推 ShoMing:推! 我也覺得哈登需要有一個能管動他的教練來教他!!! 04/19 05:13
→ ShoMing:冰箱明顯不合適,如果下季一樣由冰箱執教,火箭八成又是 04/19 05:13
→ ShoMing:老八老九這樣子的席次收尾 04/19 05:14
推 kzadb:冰箱名人堂球員都壓不住了... 04/19 06:46
推 chenlansue:原本要給McHale這季B+~A- 但連兩年季末崩盤看的很失望 04/19 06:47
推 chenlansue:作者的結論: 如果戰犯是冰箱 就換掉冰箱 如果戰犯是鬍 04/19 06:50
→ chenlansue:子 那要換一個可以教導鬍子的教練 不就都是冰箱要走XD 04/19 06:51
推 Aswind:冰迷:可以把一群菜鳥帶到季後賽 所以冰箱是好教練!! 04/19 07:13
→ Aswind:但怎不想想 如果缺點早點改 可以不只是第八名 04/19 07:14
→ leocheng:跟強化版的火箭打 鬍子要冷靜一點好好跟林搭偷個一勝吧 04/19 07:26
推 patrickleeee:照他的講法 冰箱走定了XDD 04/19 07:39
推 faseno:第四節初印象中是CP配板凳陣容對湖人先發,實在是不懂這個 04/19 07:43
推 faseno:調度....是希望小陣容用攻擊力和雙塔拼?另一個不懂是Lin 04/19 07:46
推 faseno:坐在板凳上12分鐘,一節的時間...結果換他上來是小貝製造對 04/19 07:48
推 faseno:方失誤和得分後,不懂... 04/19 07:50
→ wurenben:那球在第四節末有看到,Lin接到球剩5秒,也沒有人出來擋 04/19 08:02
推 jorden:harden的問題 應該是教練團縱容的結果.......... 04/19 08:16
→ jorden:這幾場球harden的問題很大 英雄式的打法對火箭造成傷害 04/19 08:17
推 forttryon:沒接到那裡是鬍子罵ASIK 04/19 08:17
→ jorden:希望不要養出另一個kobe........ 04/19 08:18
→ jorden:防守跟進攻都是別人的問題........ 04/19 08:18
推 olivelee:推這篇!可以犯錯 但希望可以再錯誤中學習而不是一錯再錯 04/19 08:27
推 wengna:優點很好笑XDDDD 04/19 08:30
推 jt:教練團一開始就是以KOBE的方式養 希望他變成LBJ 04/19 08:37
推 jorden:LBJ也不是丟炸彈 而是製造出外圍空檔 然後出手...... 04/19 08:43
推 rutenac:推 這是篇cksh式幽默風格的翻譯 讚 04/19 09:23
推 forttryon:忘了說 TBD=待決定 可能作者寫的時候還沒查詳細時間 04/19 09:31
→ jlu:Harden真的很強,但是靠單打是不可能拿冠軍的,Jordan也不靠單打 04/19 09:48
推 pozx:LBJ&KOBE至少都有防守.LBJ甚至不用長時間盤球 04/19 11:23
※ 編輯: ckshchen 來自: 1.171.121.196 (04/19 11:29)
→ openeyes222:哈登經常丟炸彈給隊友真是一絕。 04/19 11:30
推 ppppllo:這篇真是說出了球迷的心聲耶 04/19 12:27
推 shin80:教練不太介意吧...不只最後5秒..昨天根本最後2秒丟給CP和林 04/19 12:28
→ shin80:而教練只會一直罵黏球...到底是誰? 而他冰的只有林 04/19 12:30
→ shin80:教練進步很大..去年跌到老九..今年跌到老八..明年上看老七 04/19 12:31
推 ppppllo:假使滿意於現狀 當別人都力爭上游往上爬的時候 沒有進步 04/19 12:33
→ ppppllo:只會停滯不前.. 04/19 12:33
→ ppppllo:往往A級B級球隊的差異性 就是差在這些"一點點" 04/19 12:34
→ ppppllo:儘管昨天的比賽讓人失望..季後賽還有機會.. 04/19 12:35
推 peterwu4:但是,Jordan也是單打了很多年後才明白這個道理的吧XD 04/19 12:35
→ ppppllo:希望可以好好展現出火箭這季的表現.. 04/19 12:35
→ ppppllo:是阿..所以筆者提到鬍子才23歲 可塑性還很大吧 04/19 12:36
→ ppppllo:誰能很明確的跟鬍子說他應該要展現的態度跟風格 或是得靠 04/19 12:37
→ ppppllo:鬍子自己明白這道理? 04/19 12:37
推 xajx:不完全認為鬍子在打ISO, 他只是在試著打MO但是打不出來.. 04/19 12:48
→ xajx:火箭如果希望用現在陣容為基礎,僅做單點補強就有爭冠實力, 04/19 12:49
→ xajx:那現在每個先發都有需要再長出來的技能. 把這季看作練兵, 04/19 12:50
→ xajx:就不會太在意很多奇怪的調度了.讓鬍子長出組織力是很重要的.. 04/19 12:51
→ IBIZA:我相信大多時候都不是要打ISO, 只是切不進去, 但是以MO來講 04/19 13:38
→ IBIZA:切不進去就要趕快轉移球或是call小組, 固執的嘗試切入是MO的 04/19 13:39
→ IBIZA:大忌...這也Mchale這兩個禮拜一直在跟Harden講的 04/19 13:40
→ IBIZA:更正: 應該說黏球是MO的大忌, 而固執的嘗試切入造成黏球 04/19 13:43
推 fireunicorn:四人站底線...去找一下mo哪一種路線是這種的... 04/19 15:19
→ fireunicorn:說mo...不如說iso比較正確吧...^^? 04/19 15:20
→ fireunicorn:CP先繞出來接應~因為鬍子盤到剩10秒 04/19 15:23
→ fireunicorn:lin又跑出來~接應這時候c4就丟過來了... 04/19 15:24
→ exrickey:跟MO差太多了 04/19 16:01
→ IBIZA:怎麼可能有四個人站底線...起碼Asik就不站底線 04/19 18:16
→ IBIZA:我剛剛把OT的九次進攻錄影全部看了一次 沒有一次是所謂的 04/19 18:22
→ IBIZA:四人站底線, 事實上P&R的比例比我印象還多不少..@@ 04/19 18:22
→ IBIZA:不對...是11次 還有兩次是進攻犯規 04/19 18:23
→ IBIZA:我現在從第四節往前看...我想所謂的四人底線 應該幾乎沒出現 04/19 18:24
→ IBIZA:過... 04/19 18:24
→ IBIZA:OT第一球, Greg發球, Lin中場, Asik上高位伺機掩護引出DH 04/19 18:31
→ IBIZA:弱邊只剩CP跟MWP, Lin傳Greg傳CP切入, 切到籃上碰到DH, Foul 04/19 18:33
→ IBIZA:OT第二球, Lin切入吸引包夾, CP出現短暫空檔, Lin傳CP, 但 04/19 18:34
→ IBIZA:Blake很快上來協防, CP沒辦法出手, 切入後掉球 04/19 18:35
→ IBIZA:OT第三球, Lin帶過中場, 跟Asik作P&R, 沒出手, 傳Greg, Greg 04/19 18:35
→ IBIZA:跟Harden作一個screen&hand off, Harden出手, 沒進 04/19 18:36
→ IBIZA:OT第四球, Harden利用Asik作一個screen之後切入到籃下, 被 04/19 18:37
→ IBIZA:DH扯下來, 沒犯規, OT 04/19 18:37
→ IBIZA: TO 04/19 18:37
→ IBIZA:OT第五球, Lin跟Asik先做一個P&R沒出手, 傳CP, 再跟Greg又作 04/19 18:39
→ IBIZA:一個P&R, 還是沒出手, Greg原本還要再做, CP拒絕之後自己 04/19 18:39
→ IBIZA:切入, 沒進 04/19 18:39
→ IBIZA:OT第六球, Harden利用Asik作Screen, 切入籃下得分 04/19 18:41
→ IBIZA:OT第七球, HArden利用Asik作screen, 出現空檔後三分出手, 沒 04/19 18:41
→ IBIZA:進 04/19 18:42
→ IBIZA:後面還有幾球 我是真的沒有看到有哪球是所謂的四人底線 04/19 18:44
→ IBIZA:光這七球, 幾乎都是MO打法, 第一球是開後門的標準打法之一 04/19 18:46
→ IBIZA:第二球是標準切傳, 三四六七都是無球掩護或是hand off 04/19 18:48
→ IBIZA:只有第五個是真的iso, 但是也是作了兩次無球掩護之後才做的 04/19 18:49
→ IBIZA:我剛剛看完harden第四節7次進攻...我發現印象真的很靠不住XD 04/19 18:58
→ IBIZA:晚上看完第四節其他人的出手 再說好了..只看harden的也不太 04/19 19:00
→ IBIZA:準... 04/19 19:00
推 tomatoai:樓上應該自己開一篇的啊X"D 04/19 19:06
推 fireunicorn:有人有第四節最後的錄影嗎...^^? 04/19 19:35
→ fireunicorn:OT也順便一下吧...老實說...ot前面中間已經關掉螢幕.. 04/19 19:36
→ fireunicorn:第四節末接到大家所謂的"炸彈"就是這樣跑法的... 04/19 19:38
→ fireunicorn:ibiza大說的是OT 不是"炸彈"傳球那次阿~ 04/19 19:39
→ fireunicorn:那次是暫停完後~火箭隊最該跑出明顯戰術的一次~ 04/19 19:42
→ fireunicorn:也是各大球評罵得最兇的一球阿... 04/19 19:42
推 fireunicorn:第49秒那個暫停...感覺是冰箱要harden投的... 04/19 21:26
→ fireunicorn:hicannel~有影片~賈西亞比個投籃手是在比harden... 04/19 21:28
→ fireunicorn:CP當時其實有跑出空檔...只是harden沒傳~ 04/19 21:29
→ fireunicorn:甚至CP都拍手要球...XD 04/19 21:29
→ fireunicorn:harden停球後...沒出手~lin跑來接應~才有"炸彈"傳球.. 04/19 21:32
→ fireunicorn:總覺得harden有點雖...XD 04/19 21:33
→ fireunicorn:冰箱到底畫什麼鬼戰術...跑出空檔的竟是CP...不是哈登 04/19 21:43
→ IBIZA:你說的是Q4倒數第二球吧? 04/19 22:32
→ IBIZA:那球是Greg先作一個screen, 但是切入入線擋著DH, 所以沒切入 04/19 22:34
→ IBIZA:然後CP在對角線第一次要球, 但是沒有傳球路線, 然後CP從底角 04/19 22:38
推 fireunicorn:恩~沒錯~ 04/19 22:40
→ IBIZA:往外圍跑再要一次球, 但是AJ很快跟上來, 然後CP跟Delfino做 04/19 22:40
→ fireunicorn:第四節末剩49秒那個~ 04/19 22:41
→ IBIZA:了一次空手掩護...CP得到空檔...BUT傳球路線稍縱即逝.. 04/19 22:41
→ fireunicorn:不是啦~是harden盤球盤很久那球~ 04/19 22:41
→ IBIZA:最後剩五秒傳給林 04/19 22:42
→ IBIZA:就是這球沒錯 04/19 22:42
→ IBIZA:這球有戰術啊 不是單純的iso 04/19 22:42
→ IBIZA:第一個戰術是Greg幫harden擋人...但是DH跟在後面沒辦法切 04/19 22:43
→ fireunicorn:那球cp其實空檔還蠻久的~ 04/19 22:43
→ IBIZA:然後CP跑位 第一次沒傳球路線 第二次AJ跟上也沒空檔 04/19 22:43
→ fireunicorn:但是~把畫面再往前一點...喊暫停~時 04/19 22:43
→ IBIZA:第三次CP跟Delfino做空手掩護 有傳球路線 但是時間很短 04/19 22:44
推 ppppllo:這篇推文真的可以發兩篇耶 昨天第四節真的打得好差 04/19 22:44
→ fireunicorn:去看賈西亞~對harden比手勢~投球~ 04/19 22:44
→ IBIZA:空檔蠻久...應該沒有喔... 04/19 22:44
→ fireunicorn:都能拍手了要球了...=3= 04/19 22:45
→ IBIZA:暫停的時候說了 說真的我不知道.. 04/19 22:45
→ fireunicorn:那球該不算iso~ 04/19 22:45
→ IBIZA:這球做給harden投是很正常 只是Greg的screen沒成功 04/19 22:45
→ IBIZA:那個拍手要球只是要啟動而已 04/19 22:46
→ IBIZA:拍手之後Delifno上來幫CP擋掉AJ, 空檔才真的出來 04/19 22:46
→ IBIZA:但是時間很短 AJ很快又脫身了 04/19 22:46
→ fireunicorn:教練是要harden投的...如果去看暫停畫面~ 04/19 22:47
→ IBIZA:我相信那球暫停時是做給harden 但是greg擋的結果就沒路線啊 04/19 22:47
→ IBIZA:DH擋在harden切入路線中間.. 04/19 22:48
→ fireunicorn:冰箱這樣設計戰術給harden投根本超失敗... 04/19 22:48
→ IBIZA:戰術設計對方沒責任配合的啊..orz 04/19 22:49
→ fireunicorn:這時候剩下4X秒...大部分都會執行...確實能做出空檔.. 04/19 22:49
→ IBIZA:這種東西不存在...而且複雜的多重擋人是平常就要練set play 04/19 22:50
→ IBIZA:不可能臨場打 04/19 22:50
→ fireunicorn:冰箱卻做出...CP跑出空檔是哪招阿...=3= 04/19 22:50
→ IBIZA:這就是mo啊XD 04/19 22:50
→ fireunicorn:哪裡不存在...火箭有執行過電梯戰術~投球者是harden~ 04/19 22:51
→ IBIZA:CP跟Delfino那次空手掩護 harden應該是有看到也有配合停球 04/19 22:51
→ fireunicorn:卻沒投進~但...這火箭明明就有練過... 04/19 22:52
→ IBIZA:要傳...但是沒傳給CP..大概是覺得傳不過?結果傳給lin 04/19 22:52
→ IBIZA:電梯戰術不算複雜啊 04/19 22:52
→ fireunicorn:傳給lin是他停球了...對方防守都壓上來當然要傳~XD 04/19 22:52
→ fireunicorn:對阿...當時就該跑這種...確實能得到空檔的戰術才對啊 04/19 22:53
→ IBIZA:他停球原本應該是要配合CP...但是對方看起來也識破了 04/19 22:53
→ IBIZA:Meek手都舉起來了.. 04/19 22:53
→ IBIZA:電梯戰術也沒有保證空檔吧 04/19 22:53
→ fireunicorn:....就算不空檔...也會是...錯位... 04/19 22:55
→ IBIZA:總之 我只是要說 這場球大部分不是iso, 而是切不進所以黏球 04/19 22:55
→ IBIZA:這也是Mchale這兩個禮拜一直在提醒harden的問題 04/19 22:55
→ fireunicorn:XD~我也不覺得harden黏球...尤其OT...XD 04/19 22:56
→ IBIZA:我剛剛說印象有誤 就是說我一開始講的那段話 04/19 22:56
→ IBIZA:我說切不進應該要想辦法轉移球或call小組.. 04/19 22:56
→ IBIZA:我傍晚 還有剛剛看了OT跟Q4的play.... 04/19 22:57
→ IBIZA:我發現多半還是有另想辦法 而不是持續要切 04/19 22:57
→ IBIZA:不過DH真的很威...我現在正在看DH的防守的部分... 04/19 22:58
→ fireunicorn:後面其實harden出手是空檔最大的出手...比起lin cp 04/19 22:58
→ IBIZA:可以剪一個防守三秒大合輯...XD 04/19 22:59
→ fireunicorn:OT時 3分0X秒~harden傳給lin有稍微的空檔~lin也沒出手 04/19 23:00
→ IBIZA:harden空檔的確是比較多 大多是screen做出來的 不過因為 04/19 23:02
→ fireunicorn:DH嗎?他守harden2球不是該判犯規...才對嗎~XD 04/19 23:02
→ IBIZA:理面有一個DH在的關係 幾乎都只能在外線 RA根本進不去 04/19 23:02
→ IBIZA:另外....DH有好幾球都防守三秒了 CP那個進攻犯規 我數了大 04/19 23:03
→ IBIZA:概六秒... 04/19 23:03
→ fireunicorn:第一球直接把球扯走...這...沒吹有點...orz 04/19 23:03
→ IBIZA:harden 被拉下來那球倒是沒有三秒 但是那球應該是DH犯規 04/19 23:03
→ IBIZA:估且不論防守三秒的問題 DH防守很成功 04/19 23:04
→ IBIZA:幾乎進不了RA harden那球也是RA外就被擋下來 04/19 23:04
→ fireunicorn:cp那2球都被看破了~XD 04/19 23:04
→ IBIZA:不過防守超過六秒都沒吹...當然比較有機會守下來= = 04/19 23:05
→ IBIZA:OT CP應該有兩球都有防守三秒, 犯規那球很明顯, 另一球比較 04/19 23:11
→ IBIZA:有討論空間.. 04/19 23:11