[討論] 2010 Roster

[Kshatri (No sé)]

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鄉民的意見 by Draft87

標題:  2010 Roster: Current Status, What to Expect by Trade Deadline, Playoff
       Matchups, and Ian Mahinmi

原文如下:

Hey guys, Happy New Year!

I'm starting a thread to address the common questions about our roster. 

I know a lot of people are wondering:

1) Are we going to make any trades before the deadline?

2) Should a good veteran be waived, would we be able to pick them up?

3) What's going to happen to the rotations once Michael Finley and Matt
Bonner return? (I will address each player individually)

4) Why don't we see more Theo Ratliff?

5) What's up with Ian Mahinmi?


If you any of you ambitious and forward-thinking SpursTalk members wish to 
add a Q&A to this thread, please do? I only hope that this thread can shed 
light onto the reality of our roster situation and what kind of flexibility
is available to us. 

First of all, we all must understand the roster regulations of the NBA. I'm
no expert but I've checked into this a bit(NBA.com, wiki, other threads, 
etc.) What I understand to be fact is that there is a roster limit of 15 
players. The Spurs have a full 15 player roster right now. Teams are allowed
to have a maximum of 12 players active in uniform and available to play for
each game. Teams may change which 12 players they use each game but may not
exceed 12 active players per game. 

首先，我們都必須知道NBA登錄名單的規則。我不是專家但我透過NBA官網,wiki,等等來源

略有涉獵。輪替名單有15人限制。馬刺現今輪替名單已滿15人了。球隊在比賽中最多能用

12人。球隊在不同的比賽可逕行更換這12人名單，但每場不得超過12人。

To sum things up:

-The NBA roster limit is for the season 15 players(total at once). The San 
Antonio Spurs currently have 15 players.

馬刺這季15人滿了

-The NBA roster limit per game is 12. Since the Spurs have 15 players on
their roster there will be 3 players inactive for each game. 

因登錄名單的15人滿了，但每場不能超過12人，所以每場比賽都有3個球員不能用。

This should answer a lot of people's questions as to why they haven't seen
much Theo Ratliff, Marcus Haislip, and Ian Mahinmi(his complete absence will
be addressed later)

這應能解答許多人對Ratliff,Haislip,以及Mahinmi(稍後再講，沒愛)不常出現的疑惑。

This is the current Spurs Roster(sorted somewhat by rotation) list:

馬刺現在的15人輪替名單

1.  PG  - Tony Parker
2.  SG  - Keith Bogans
3.  SF  - Richard Jefferson
4. PF/C - DeJuan Blair
5. PF/C - Tim Duncan
6.  G/F - Manu Ginobili
7.  G   - George Hill
8. PF/C - Antonio McDyess
9.  G   - Roger Mason Jr.
10.PF/C - Matt Bonner
11. G/F - Michael Finley
12. C   - Theo Ratliff
13. G   - Malik Hairston
14. F   - Marcus Haislip
15. C   - Ian Mahinmi

Now that we've established our roster and the NBA regulations we should be
able to understand what it will take to make a trade. 

輪替名單已確定了，而我們應能理解能否再交易

I will answer the first question only in this post. If I discussed all topics
this would be way too long. I will reply or start new threads with the other
questions. 

我只討論這篇所提的第一個問題。避免篇幅過長。

1) Are we going to make any trades before the deadline?

I don't think we make a trade this year. Our team is coming together. It took
from October to January but our team is putting forth an intenser defensive
effort. We are expanding our playbook, finding more productive rotations.
We've found ways to develop talent all way down to the 12th spot on the 
bench. I don't see us putting all this work in and then starting over again.
We are not trading anyone from the "big 4" so there will be no blockbuster 
trades. And our mid-level guys aren't going anywhere-McDyess, Mason, Bonner
are finding ways to contribute. Pop knows what he wants and can get from 
these guys and he's not going to want to start the process again. Who can we 
trade? Ian? Ian is the only player that we are truly not using. Are we going 
to trade Hairston or Haislip? I don't think so. A lot of people are hoping we
trade Ian. We really can't get anything for Ian. He has no trade value. 

我不認為今年馬刺會交易。我們不會交易四巨頭，所以將不會有什麼大交易。而B咖級的

球員(McDyess, Mason, Bonner)也不會，他們都有他們貢獻方式。波波知道他能從他們

得到什麼，他不會想重新洗牌。我們可交易誰呢? Mahinmi嗎? 他唯一是我們現在確實用

不到的球員。 你說那Hairston或Haislip呢? 某摳連。 很多人希望我們交易Mahinmi。

我們交易Mahinmi得不到什麼東西啦。 他沒有交易價值。


a)I don't think anyone wants Ian Mahinmi. He has no trade value. We haven't
'showcased' him ever. He's played like 20 minutes in his career. We haven't
even given him garbage minutes. This year he was supposed to have a chance 
and he hasn't. We haven't picked up his option for next year. Could we trade
him for a draft pick? Nah, I think any GM besides Chris Wallace will realize
they can just grab him after the season instead of giving away a pick 
mid-season. Ian's salary is so low we can't get anything worthwhile in return

我認為沒人會要Mahinmi。他沒交易的價值。馬刺冰到他沒曝光率。他的NBA生涯-20分鐘。

連垃圾時間都不給他。他今年又沒機會了。我們將不會執行他明年的選擇權。我們能用他

來換選秀簽? 科科，我想除了Chris Wallace會在季中這樣做以外不會有其他GM這樣做了。

Mahinmi薪水少的可憐，你能用他得到些什麼? 不期不待。


b) If we did a multi-player deal with Ian, who would we trade? Finley? No
way. There's no way we "Dis" him like that in a "dump deal". Finley's
vet-experience and "Corporate Knowledge" is way too valuable to just drop for
another player on the inactive list. Finley himself may find a way to the
inactive list but not on the trading block. 

假使我們用數名球員與Mahinmi一起打包，會動到誰? Finley? 免肖想。於情於理，情何

以堪? Finley有兩好，一是經驗老，二是團隊意識佳，你想讓他委身與Mahinmi一起打包?

他有著非關交易價值的好。

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Now, I'm sure there are people who disagree with me or still think there's a
way for a trade to happen. I'm not saying I don't wish we had a young stud
center who was a beast at blocking shots but you have to consider the reality
of our situation.

We have ZERO roster spots available. Should we make a trade, we would not be
able to receive more players than we send. For example, we can not trade Ian
Mahinmi and Michael Finley for Marcus Camby, Craig Smith, and Rasual Butler
because we would have 16 players and exceed the NBA limit of 15. 

總言之，我們交易來的球員CP值不會比交易掉的高。我們也沒多餘的空間容人。比方說，

我們用Mahinmi跟Finley換不到M.Camby, C.Smith, 以及R.Butler，因為人滿啦!

Also, the salary of the player(s) being traded out must be relatively similar
to the salary of the player(s) coming in. The exact guideline is the team may
not receive more than 125%+$100,000 of what the send out. 

錢、豪華稅，以及Peter Holt的眼淚(誤)。

For example, Ian Mahinmi makes $1,079,640. The highest salary we could accept
for him would 125% of $1,079,640($1,349,550) + $100,000 =$1,449,550. I
repeat, the highest salary we could take for Ian is $1,449,550. 

比如Mahinmi的薪水1.07M。我們交易他而能吃下的最高薪資= 1.07M的125%+0.1M = 1.44M，

換來的球員最高的薪資就是 1.44M 。

There's been talk about Chris Kaman, Marcus Camby, Troy Murphy, Brendan
Haywood, Antawn Jamison. Unfortunately, even if their respective teams agreed
to let them go we wouldn't be able to acquire their salaries. 

遺憾的是，即使有哪個隊的GM腦殘同意用Mahinmi換得C.Kaman, M.Camby, T.Murphy,

B.Haywood, A.Jamison等球員，但馬刺就是沒那個能耐吃下他們的薪資。

  Jamison  =  $11,641,095
  Murphy   =  $11,047,619(little known fact he's the highest paid Pacer)
  Okafur   =  $10,538,937
  Kaman    =  $10,400,000
  Camby    =  $7,650,000
  Haywood  =  $6,000,000

Who could we get for that money that
a)is worth acquiring mid season to throw in the rotation and make a
significant impact?
b) another team is willing to give up in exchange for Ian Mahinmi?
I can't think of anyone that isn't a young player who's team is not willing
to give up. 

我們能用這點錢換些什麼球員? 別想了，一定不是什麼好料的。

Most teams who 'dump' a decent player to a decent team are trying to:
a) lower their salary
b) acquire a promising young player
c) acquire an expiring contract
d) acquire a future draft pick

大部分球隊會丟出"還能看的"球員是因為:
a) 降低薪資
b) 得到年輕潛力股
c) 到期約
d) 得到未來選秀簽

Whatever team took Ian Mahinmi would really have to think he's b) a promising
young player. But aside from a pretty good D-League year he's done absolutely
nothing in the NBA. Nobody is going to take him in a trade.

其他隊會撿Mahinmi的原因就 b)了。但撇開他在D聯盟的漂亮成績，他根本沒上過大聯盟

啊(誤)!! 沒人會去為了他在D聯盟的成績去撿他低。

Hope this gives you a realistic idea of what to expect come February. I do
expect the Lakers to do something.
1) They have 2 open roster spots
2) They are willing to go well into the luxury tax
3) It's Los Angeles and they're the champs. Waived vets should be lured by
the environment
4) They have a small forward with a pinch back nerve, a small forward with a
nasty Christmas concussion, and a small forward who's very much underachieved
since being picked #3 in 2006.
5) Bynum and Gasol are more and more injury prone. They'll want to back up
Odom and Powell(Mbenga doesn't count!)

不期不待。我倒想看看湖人會做些什麼交易。

1) 他們還有2個位置
2) 豪華稅? 沒差啦!
3) 開玩笑，是LA耶! 還是個冠軍隊! 對老將吸引力有加分。
4) 他們有個小前鋒A, 小前鋒B, 以及小前鋒C。
5) Bynum跟Gasol越來越玻璃。他們要仰賴Odom跟Powell (Mbenga不夠看!)

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